A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping

[excelerator]

Update from Chloe:
I asked if shipping could be paid in BTC.
Response:
We prefer wire payment. Your delivery will be in September according to current pre-order status. We are now making sample miners for a test.

Now we know why there isn't a video - there isn't a production version of the miner and is still in development.  The good news is the upcoming test batch of sample miners will most likely yield some pictures!  

[Searing]

Do the math.
 at 1200 Mhz "full turbo" clock in the original software, I've got A2 units turning about 110 MH eating about 1250 watts at the wall.
 I'm not at "under 3c/KWH", closer to 4 where I'm at - but hopefully I'll be able to do a LOCAL move into one of the under-3c/KWH adjacent counties sometime in the next year or so - it's MUCH easier to find a place when you're LOCAL after all.

Here's the math. About $2.67/day  for 110MH A2.
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-08-11&costperunit=3995&wattperhour=1250&gigahazarate=110000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=3&diffincrement=0.7064&bitcoinperdollar=3.7&electriccostinput=.04&begindifflevel=52865


A dyingTitan, with dies turned off, running at 110MH would consume about 400w at the wall would return $3.49/day
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-08-11&costperunit=3995&wattperhour=400&gigahazarate=110000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=3&diffincrement=0.7064&bitcoinperdollar=3.7&electriccostinput=.04&begindifflevel=52865

Well no matter how you look at it we need a price pump in BTC to say $700 bucks *mario* and good old Yoshi ..that is LTC at around 5-6 bucks...no matter what your equip
or how you look at it.......

I'll probably still do a little bit more then break even on the new hoard..but where is the fun in that? At around $4 that is......sigh....

crypto you merciless bitch

[excelerator]

Well no matter how you look at it we need a price pump in BTC to say $700 bucks *mario* and good old Yoshi ..that is LTC at around 5-6 bucks...no matter what your equip
or how you look at it.......

I'll probably still do a little bit more then break even on the new hoard..but where is the fun in that? At around $4 that is......sigh....

crypto you merciless bitch

That Bitfinex debaucle basically handed BTC a $70 haircut, at today's price, from which it has yet to grow out.  Cruel mistress she is.

[cloudnthings]

Here's the math. About $2.67/day  for 110MH A2.
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-08-11&costperunit=3995&wattperhour=1250&gigahazarate=110000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=3&diffincrement=0.7064&bitcoinperdollar=3.7&electriccostinput=.04&begindifflevel=52865


A dyingTitan, with dies turned off, running at 110MH would consume about 400w at the wall would return $3.49/day
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-08-11&costperunit=3995&wattperhour=400&gigahazarate=110000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=3&diffincrement=0.7064&bitcoinperdollar=3.7&electriccostinput=.04&begindifflevel=52865

Why is the miner cost $3,995?

[usao]

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but any "Do The Math" computation has 2 big assumptions, which can be manipulated any way the person sees fit.

1) Difficulty increase rate.
2) Market price for the coin.

No matter how much you try to hold tight to the numbers, these 2 variables can wreak havoc with your calculations.

[cloudnthings]

I'd prob go ideal case and then best case/worst case and then a bottom line/absolute worst case scenario. At least it would give me a feel for what's happening.

[dogjunior]

Update from Chloe:

I asked if shipping could be paid in BTC.

Response:
We prefer wire payment. Your delivery will be in September according to current pre-order status. We are now making sample miners for a test.

Here we go. So no talk of August. Now delivery is September. With late being end of October? No miners but are NOW build a sample miner. Hope for the best but expect the worst.

[usao]

Not really un-expected...
When any company sais a date, it's a drop-dead date. They specified that September would not be considered late, so holding delivery till the end of Sept is what I pretty much expected from the beginning.
Now, that said, if they do push to Oct, then I would be all over them like a cat on spilt milk. I would be raising all kinds of hell if they can't deliver in Sept, and demanding some sort of recompense or I would be blasting to all the world about their late deliveries and un-reliable business.
But, that's in the future, for now ill hold off and expect them to keep their end of the deal.

[QuintLeo]

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but any "Do The Math" computation has 2 big assumptions, which can be manipulated any way the person sees fit.

1) Difficulty increase rate.
2) Market price for the coin.

No matter how much you try to hold tight to the numbers, these 2 variables can wreak havoc with your calculations.

 Yup, but that answer was directed more to the question of why are folks still running their A2 units - and are they still profitable NOW (they are if you don't have rates in the "near US average" range, which no serious miner would put up with).

 I would NOT recommend anyone BUY an A2 unit at this time, unless they have VERY low rates and get it VERY cheap, or they have 3c OR LESS electric and get it fairly cheap, or they have FREE electric.

[usao]

Agreed. I thought about getting another A2 as a stop-gap until the A4 ships, but at the current prices it's just hard to justify.
Almost better to save the money and put it into another A4.

[Searing]

Not really un-expected...
When any company sais a date, it's a drop-dead date. They specified that September would not be considered late, so holding delivery till the end of Sept is what I pretty much expected from the beginning.
Now, that said, if they do push to Oct, then I would be all over them like a cat on spilt milk. I would be raising all kinds of hell if they can't deliver in Sept, and demanding some sort of recompense or I would be blasting to all the world about their late deliveries and un-reliable business.
But, that's in the future, for now ill hold off and expect them to keep their end of the deal.

Catch is every legit or un legit asic maker of scrypt and/or sha-256 miners I've ever heard of has been at LEAST 1 month late. Just saying it is very very common or at least it was
in the heyday.

[ReturnBits]

Wouldn't ROI be extremely difficult with this device? For those thinking of preordering, I currently run an A2Terminator (which is 1000W power and 100MH unit.
This is roughly 3x the power. At most you will get 2 LTC/day (Assuming you are mining LTC)
Thats roughly 8$/day, the machine itself will jack your powerbill up by nearly 100-150$
Just throwing out estimations here but
2LTC/day for 30 days = 240$
150$ mining costs for electricity leaves roughly 90$ profit for one month.
roughly 3$/day.
These devices will take more than 2 years to ROI thats assuming the difficulty on the network stays the same as well as price. Which we all know will likely increase causing these devices to never come close to ROI.
I'm just trying to help anyone who might think this is a good idea to purchase 1.
These devices only have practical application somewhere with cheap electricity and en mass devices.
And still would be difficult to ROI.
I was in the first generation of scrypt asics that came out. Unless you have a massive mining operation, you will never ROI. Your better trading to make money vs mining (you can make more than 3$/day)

[c2e]

Wouldn't ROI be extremely difficult with this device? For those thinking of preordering, I currently run an A2Terminator (which is 1000W power and 100MH unit.
This is roughly 3x the power. At most you will get 2 LTC/day (Assuming you are mining LTC)
Thats roughly 8$/day, the machine itself will jack your powerbill up by nearly 100-150$
Just throwing out estimations here but
2LTC/day for 30 days = 240$
150$ mining costs for electricity leaves roughly 90$ profit for one month.
roughly 3$/day.
These devices will take more than 2 years to ROI thats assuming the difficulty on the network stays the same as well as price. Which we all know will likely increase causing these devices to never come close to ROI.
I'm just trying to help anyone who might think this is a good idea to purchase 1.
These devices only have practical application somewhere with cheap electricity and en mass devices.
And still would be difficult to ROI.
I was in the first generation of scrypt asics that came out. Unless you have a massive mining operation, you will never ROI. Your better trading to make money vs mining (you can make more than 3$/day)

Just the swings in btc alone, would be better to trade btc. You can safely make more from trading than buying a piece of hardware to mine.

[wlefever]

Well for 1, some power is way less for instance I'll be paying $50 not "$100-150" (which in itself is a wide damn range) a month to run these. Second even just mining on nicehash will net $10+ a day. So 2 years is an overly pessimistic estimation.

[QuintLeo]

Wouldn't ROI be extremely difficult with this device? For those thinking of preordering, I currently run an A2Terminator (which is 1000W power and 100MH unit.
This is roughly 3x the power. At most you will get 2 LTC/day (Assuming you are mining LTC)
Thats roughly 8$/day, the machine itself will jack your powerbill up by nearly 100-150$
Just throwing out estimations here but
2LTC/day for 30 days = 240$
150$ mining costs for electricity leaves roughly 90$ profit for one month.
roughly 3$/day.
These devices will take more than 2 years to ROI thats assuming the difficulty on the network stays the same as well as price. Which we all know will likely increase causing these devices to never come close to ROI.
I'm just trying to help anyone who might think this is a good idea to purchase 1.
These devices only have practical application somewhere with cheap electricity and en mass devices.
And still would be difficult to ROI.
I was in the first generation of scrypt asics that came out. Unless you have a massive mining operation, you will never ROI. Your better trading to make money vs mining (you can make more than 3$/day)

 110 MH/s generates about 1 litecoin/day over most of the last year - $3-$5 a day depending on Litecoin price that day, usually close to $4 in recent months.
 Cost FOR ME where I'm at now to run that A2 (1250 watts appx.) is a little over $1/day - and if I managed to get moved into one of the 2 "counties next door" that I'm PLANNING to eventually relocate into, that would drop to a bit UNDER $1/day.
 
 ROI isn't difficult if price and difficulty stay stable - it's just a matter of months - but the introduction of the A4 is going to kick difficulty up quite a bit over time, making it quite a bit less likely that an A2 unit purchased NOW will ever achieve ROI unless the purchase price is very low.

 I do NOT have a "massive" mining farm - if I DID have one, I could get into a much electric rate and wouldn't be inclined to move.
 I ran my existing farm in a MOBILE HOME for most of a year before I moved to where I'm at now.


 Do note that there are very very few places in the US that have a lower YEAR-ROUND NO GIMMICKS electric rate for small farms than where I am currently at - both of them are "next door" to the county I'm in.



 Not sure where you're comming up with your numbers at - the electric isn't unreasonably *IF* you're paying 10-15 CENTS/KWH, but that mining amount hasn't been in the right ballpark for something like 2 years.



 Trading to make more than $3/day on the amount that an A2 has commonly cost in recent months is VERY VERY iffy - and you have a significant chance of LOSING money. There is NO "safely" when trying to trade for profit.

[Bulletdodger]

Hi guys,
so is somebody interested in actually buying the device (A4)?

I am, so I need 4 more ppl.

[Ortek]

Hi guys,
so is somebody interested in actually buying the device (A4)?

I am, so I need 4 more ppl.

I´m interested, but im wondering how much the shipping and customs will be....am living in Germany

[usao]

Hi guys,
so is somebody interested in actually buying the device (A4)?

I am, so I need 4 more ppl.

Would be helpfull to specify a location, since "if" you buy a group of 5, you will have to re-distribute from a single shipping location.
That could hurt some folks if they are far away from you.

[Longsnowsm]

Hi guys,
so is somebody interested in actually buying the device (A4)?

I am, so I need 4 more ppl.

Would be helpfull to specify a location, since "if" you buy a group of 5, you will have to re-distribute from a single shipping location.
That could hurt some folks if they are far away from you.

Please let us know your location and people will chime in and maybe you can coordinate a common shipping point.  If your in the US it isn't too late to join in our group buy that we already have going.  Just let us know and maybe we can help.

For those in EU you should announce your interest here and read back through this thread and reach out to those who have said they want to buy a miner in the EU.  Then arrange a trusted person to receive the miners and forward them to you.

[Bulletdodger]

I'm EU-based, central Europe, sort of.