A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping

[hdmediaservices]

Well this is very interesting, Asicminermarket has a Youtube channel with 4 VIDEOS of the A4-135 in action posted 5 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-E1tvEw2KCGbAOillpLiQ/videos

FYI: They also have videos of many of the other miners they sell.

Their 'About Us' page says they're the China based business of BitcoinWare.net, which is Canada based.

I know nothing about either company, but this doesn't look like Vaporware.

How can one tell what is Vaporware and what is not?  I find it interesting that they spend maybe 18 to 22 seconds, recklessly taking a video of something with wires, making a sound and a screen with numbers on it.

Meanwhile, the legitimate products are very slow moving -- showing all the components slowly and are several minutes in length.

Honestly - anyone could put together a video with a pretty box, some fans, create a script that shows some numbers on a screen and then use a phone to video everything really quick.

Or perhaps they broke into Innosilicon and only had a minute to hurry and video the new machine in action?  HMMMM  Perhaps it is a rogue employee that plans to sell these on their own.  LOL  I dunno - but it is entertaining.

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[excelerator]

If we proceed with the assumption that the new 135MH miners at asicminermarket.com are real and legitimately for sale, couple that with the recent statement that Innosilicon says they are the exclusive WW reseller of the A4 Dominator, then this is most likely a completely new rig made with A4 ASICS by a completely different manufacturer.  That would be supported by the 180 day warranty (versus the A4 Dominator warranty of 45 days)
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

T-6 days until the A4 Dominator ships!!!

[excelerator]

T-5 days and counting.....

The web page for the A4 Dominator has been updated.
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/14.html


The final form factor is now two separate units (140MH/unit) which use a common PSU.

Interesting that asicminermarket.com is selling a single unit @ 135MH with a longer warranty.
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

Both sellers have exactly the same control software, complete with misspellings.
https://asicminermarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/a4-Ltc-controlling-software.jpg

[Inno_ASIC]

T-5 days and counting.....

The web page for the A4 Dominator has been updated.
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/14.html


The final form factor is now two separate units (140MH/unit) which use a common PSU.

Interesting that asicminermarket.com is selling a single unit @ 135MH with a longer warranty.
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

Both sellers have exactly the same control software, complete with misspellings.
https://asicminermarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/a4-Ltc-controlling-software.jpg

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

[Inno_ASIC]

So it's 8:32 am October 8th in Shenzhen, the extended holiday is over, so it'll be interesting to see what's next up on deck from Innosilicon.

I snipped this from an email I received earlier in the week from Innosilicon.

"One thing we should claim is that we have no authorized reseller worldwide. We are the exclusive brand of A4 chips as well as our A4 miners.
We can guarantee the quality of our products but not others."

Grabbing my popcorn and looking forward to the new countdown for October 15th!!!!

T-7.......

You bet!

[hdmediaservices]

Why is it not possible to create a video of the unit(s) running for a couple of minutes with slow camera movements - showing with the case off?  Mining?  With a temperature probe?

I don't get it.

[Eyedol-X]

Update on Oct 11th, 2016:

We've just updated our official webpages of A4 LTC Miners, with the fresh cooked video of our products.
Please go to http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/14.html
                  http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/15.html

[hdmediaservices]

Update on Oct 11th, 2016:

We've just updated our official webpages of A4 LTC Miners, with the fresh cooked video of our products.
Please go to http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/14.html
                  http://www.innosilicon.com/html/mining-asic/15.html

Doesn't show the units in action. 

[excelerator]

So it's 8:32 am October 8th in Shenzhen, the extended holiday is over, so it'll be interesting to see what's next up on deck from Innosilicon.

I snipped this from an email I received earlier in the week from Innosilicon.

"One thing we should claim is that we have no authorized reseller worldwide. We are the exclusive brand of A4 chips as well as our A4 miners.
We can guarantee the quality of our products but not others."

Grabbing my popcorn and looking forward to the new countdown for October 15th!!!!

T-7.......

You bet!

Question to Innosilicon:  Asicminermarket.com looks to be reselling the same hardware and software.  Are they a qualified reseller of the A4 Dominator?
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

[hdmediaservices]

So it's 8:32 am October 8th in Shenzhen, the extended holiday is over, so it'll be interesting to see what's next up on deck from Innosilicon.

I snipped this from an email I received earlier in the week from Innosilicon.

"One thing we should claim is that we have no authorized reseller worldwide. We are the exclusive brand of A4 chips as well as our A4 miners.
We can guarantee the quality of our products but not others."

Grabbing my popcorn and looking forward to the new countdown for October 15th!!!!

T-7.......

You bet!

Question to Innosilicon:  Asicminermarket.com looks to be reselling the same hardware and software.  Are they a qualified reseller of the A4 Dominator?
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

It looks to me that this other company is just going to buy the units (if they exist) and then resell them individually to make a profit.

Warranties mean nothing -- if you have no recourse when they are not honored or it cost a fortune to ship them for repair.

[Inno_ASIC]

So it's 8:32 am October 8th in Shenzhen, the extended holiday is over, so it'll be interesting to see what's next up on deck from Innosilicon.

I snipped this from an email I received earlier in the week from Innosilicon.

"One thing we should claim is that we have no authorized reseller worldwide. We are the exclusive brand of A4 chips as well as our A4 miners.
We can guarantee the quality of our products but not others."

Grabbing my popcorn and looking forward to the new countdown for October 15th!!!!

T-7.......

You bet!

Question to Innosilicon:  Asicminermarket.com looks to be reselling the same hardware and software.  Are they a qualified reseller of the A4 Dominator?
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

[bclcjunkie]

thanks, please check your youku URLs they don't seem to be loading. i found only one video so far.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc1NTA1Nzk5Ng==.html?from=y1.7-2

So it's 8:32 am October 8th in Shenzhen, the extended holiday is over, so it'll be interesting to see what's next up on deck from Innosilicon.

I snipped this from an email I received earlier in the week from Innosilicon.

"One thing we should claim is that we have no authorized reseller worldwide. We are the exclusive brand of A4 chips as well as our A4 miners.
We can guarantee the quality of our products but not others."

Grabbing my popcorn and looking forward to the new countdown for October 15th!!!!

T-7.......

You bet!

Question to Innosilicon:  Asicminermarket.com looks to be reselling the same hardware and software.  Are they a qualified reseller of the A4 Dominator?
https://asicminermarket.com/product/pre-a4-135-scrypt-litecoin-miner-low-power-batch-1/

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

[Eyedol-X]

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

I'm interested in an A4 direct from Innosilicon if one becomes available

[Longsnowsm]

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

Thank you for joining the conversation here.  The people frequenting this thread usually have lots of questions and having an official representative from Innosilicon here helps a lot.  Looking forward to the first batch shipping.  I see on the web site that there will be A4's with a much higher hash rate.  Do you know if those will be in batch 2?  Someone here was told that the batch 2 would be in the December time frame.  Any ideas if that is correct?

[dogjunior]

On the website the A4 warranty for parts is 45 days. What the F***. So if the miner dies in two months you got to spend your own dime to repair. This inspires a lot of confidence. Another KNC.

[QuintLeo]

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

 What about the "investors" you were looking for during the early days announments period for the A4?

 How many of those did you end up with, and when are they going to get their share of the units / chips in accordance with the stated investment terms?





 To the dogjunior - hint, MOST miners that have ever been released had a *30* day guarentee, often with some major limitations.
 This is, UNFORTUNATELY, not out of line or uncommon in the industry.

 The difference is that Innosilicon has made tons of A1 and A2 miners and chips that have proven to have a ROCK SOLID reliability record, KNC made trash that frequently died for no reason at the chip level and had major design flaws at the miner level that caused a lot more issues.

 Not even CLOSE to "another KNC".

[Searing]

Let us make it very clear, at the moment, all units are under tight control from Innosilicon due to lack of ASIC supply so only Innosilicon order enjoys higher delivery priority period. Any promise from non-Innosilicon sources on lower price or shorter lead time should not be trusted. Time is everything.

 What about the "investors" you were looking for during the early days announments period for the A4?

 How many of those did you end up with, and when are they going to get their share of the units / chips in accordance with the stated investment terms?





 To the dogjunior - hint, MOST miners that have ever been released had a *30* day guarentee, often with some major limitations.
 This is, UNFORTUNATELY, not out of line or uncommon in the industry.

 The difference is that Innosilicon has made tons of A1 and A2 miners and chips that have proven to have a ROCK SOLID reliability record, KNC made trash that frequently died for no reason at the chip level and had major design flaws at the miner level that caused a lot more issues.

 Not even CLOSE to "another KNC".

most asic equipment 2nd batch from knc to whomever has been cheap...no longer took paypal....and had that low warranty as you state.....also most asic equipment ltc or btc
also has major firmware problems the first 3 months till they get it nailed down (or not asicminer and mat)

the 2nd child seems to be the problem one imho ..so the firmware issues that may happen in above timeline and the 45 days warranty is the elephant in the room for me

[firehawk71]

Have you guys seen this style of A4?

https://toplinesz.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/60534536318-222192674/2016_new_scrypt_litcoin_300M_litcoin_miner_300M_A4_miner_new_litecoin_miner_scrypt_litcoin_miner.html


Looks like China is going to town building there own A4 using the same A2 Cases. I got a quote of 2200.00 plus shipping for one of these. They say it comes with power supply installed.. Would be a nicer set up having everything in one box like the A2

[vinylwasp]

Have you guys seen this style of A4?

https://toplinesz.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/60534536318-222192674/2016_new_scrypt_litcoin_300M_litcoin_miner_300M_A4_miner_new_litecoin_miner_scrypt_litcoin_miner.html

Looks like China is going to town building there own A4 using the same A2 Cases. I got a quote of 2200.00 plus shipping for one of these. They say it comes with power supply installed.. Would be a nicer set up having everything in one box like the A2

That's an old A2 image with A4 written over the top. This other ad from Topline uses the same image but at least in this one they state that its a Pre-order and that the PSU is external: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/280-300M-Litecoin-scrypt-miner-A4_60500650737.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.JQKghr

This ad from Newstar uses the same image again and also promises it will ship with a PSU so I wonder if re-sellers caught with A2 stock are going to retro fit the A4 cards? An upgrade path was certainly promised by Inno at the beginning, but who knows when they'll start selling the cards on their own. You might be waiting a while.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Top-Selling-Litecoin-Miner-A4-280mhs_60544198110.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.VBF9VM

$2200 with a PSU isn't too bad if the PSU is good quality. There were some issues with the A2 110 PSUs, one case colour  is better than the other if I recall correctly (different PSU's).

That's also one area where the original guidance from Inno was wrong. Based on the photos and videos of running machines we've seen, a single unit is drawing 540W and two units running together pulls 1048W @ 230v so if you want to hit the sweet spot I think we need PSU's >1100W and based on that number the A2 PSU's might be ok.

The only caveat is that we don't really know how much power the overclock mode uses.

[nicky1088]

I want possibly join this group buy. Only if I can send the money directly to Innosilicon and get it shipped directly to my house. If I can do that, how do I join this group buy?