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Author Topic: [ANN][rICO]Antshares Blockchain Mainnet is ONLINE!  (Read 1296433 times)
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June 22, 2017, 08:57:09 AM
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Antshares/NEO seems like it's technologically above every other blockchain platform and will get enormous support?
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June 22, 2017, 09:06:01 AM
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That is full of information and many new things to read completely I need enough time. At large it gives very good impression about on going development and changes recently introduced to re-brand and include some new features for the platform. It is getting attention as well and forming new partnerships as well. Let's see what comes out of of all the recent developments.

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June 22, 2017, 09:06:44 AM
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Antshares/NEO seems like it's technologically above every other blockchain platform and will get enormous support?
No one can tell for sure.
The facts are all these platforms will try to compete with ethereum introducing some improvements to it.

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June 22, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
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Antshares is rebranding to NEO, it sounds even better  Grin
The conference is still ongoing... livestream : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHjOXSr345I
If NEO has smart contracts and chinese companies start raising on it, it's going through the roof.
This is NEW ETHEREUM  Cool
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June 22, 2017, 09:30:09 AM
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This is NEW ETHEREUM  Cool
I would say
this is Chinese Ethereum  Grin
So, chances are it will outpass ETH if successfully adopted by Chinese market.
As everything Chinese is bigger that the rest of world.

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June 22, 2017, 09:49:08 AM
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BFT Consensus can not support a large scale nodes, you are wrong.

it can never be decentralized like bitcoin and Ethereum..

it's more like a centralized network.


then why you buy some data from a centralized network?

i am not trying to fuds, but that's the truth of science.

Even the first sentence of the ANS whitepaper makes clear that it is decentralised. The current layout supports a theoretical maximum of 10000 Bookkeeping nodes. Every ANS represents a vote. We can make decisions about the system itself just fine. Enjoy your Bitcoin and Ethereum. Bitcoin will probably use as much electricity as Denmark by 2020 and both Ethereum and Bitcoin cannot handle truly vast transaction flows. Also enjoy your forking potential and the One Man bookkeeping limitations that both systems provide. You stick to Bitcoin and Ethereum and I will stick to ANS and we will see what is more successful in the long run. How is that for a deal?

Are Bitcoin and Ethereum more decentralised? Yes, but that comes at the cost of vast energy expense, inefficiency and speed. A single bitcoin transaction uses as much energy as almost four households use for a day. You might call that great. I call that bad design. I am fine with agreeing to disagree. The markets will speak for themselves.



everyone just saying they are better than BTC.

yes, you are right, you can have a lot SPV wallet or so called bookkeeping nodes,

but you do not have the right to be a full nodes, you just listen what the validation nodes tell you.

that's make no difference someone rent 8 server to offer money printing service.


and you do not even know what you are buying, time will tell who is right.

Bitcoin is bitcoin, Ethereum will be Ethereum.


You obviously did not notice that at https://www.antshares.org/ the number of FULL NODES at this point is 417. I think the only requirement to become a full node is having 10,000 ANS and running the proper Linux system whilst meeting all technical specifications. Everyone else who runs it is in effect a light node. If you read the network protocol (https://github.com/AntShares/AntShares/wiki/Network-Protocol), you will see that ANS holders can vote on validator candidates and it can be increased to a maximum of 1024. Validator candidates can be accepted, rejected or revoked. This is a continuous process. Let's give another example: Does a Presidential candidate run the country? No, it is a candidate who can be elected by others. That is the same with the validator candidates you are referring to. If you noticed carefully, 7 are effective and 1 was revoked. This appears to be an old list for selecting candidates. The number that matters is the 417 FULL NODES. This number is increasingly rapidly in the last few days. Contrary to Bitcoin ANS holders get to vote on which parties they trust to run the system.

no, i think the things matter is validation nodes, if this 8 validations node went down, this system worth nothing

that's the reason why i say this will never become a currency.. just a hype.

but it's doesn't matter stupid people will buy this.


and price will still go up ..

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June 22, 2017, 10:04:34 AM
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I think it's highly improbable and almost impossible that all of them go down simultaneously. Also:

"Meanwhile, Antshares adopts a pluggable modular design. Users may employ their own consensus mechanism, ECC/Hasing Algorithm, P2P network protocol, etc. Antshares is easy to be reconstructed into a consortium/private blockchain with Antshares being viewed as the consortium’s/company’s voting power. Proof-of-concept trails can be performed on the public chain of Antshares by businesses while a quick shift and reconstruction to consortium/private chain is within the reach. Also, businesses may run Antshares-deprived consortium/private chain and shift it to the Antshares public chain without the hassle of rebuilding peripheral systems."

What I wonder is, does NEO solve the prisoner's dilemma?
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June 22, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
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Where is the end of this dip?

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June 22, 2017, 10:37:33 AM
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BFT Consensus can not support a large scale nodes, you are wrong.

it can never be decentralized like bitcoin and Ethereum..

it's more like a centralized network.


then why you buy some data from a centralized network?

i am not trying to fuds, but that's the truth of science.

Even the first sentence of the ANS whitepaper makes clear that it is decentralised. The current layout supports a theoretical maximum of 10000 Bookkeeping nodes. Every ANS represents a vote. We can make decisions about the system itself just fine. Enjoy your Bitcoin and Ethereum. Bitcoin will probably use as much electricity as Denmark by 2020 and both Ethereum and Bitcoin cannot handle truly vast transaction flows. Also enjoy your forking potential and the One Man bookkeeping limitations that both systems provide. You stick to Bitcoin and Ethereum and I will stick to ANS and we will see what is more successful in the long run. How is that for a deal?

Are Bitcoin and Ethereum more decentralised? Yes, but that comes at the cost of vast energy expense, inefficiency and speed. A single bitcoin transaction uses as much energy as almost four households use for a day. You might call that great. I call that bad design. I am fine with agreeing to disagree. The markets will speak for themselves.



everyone just saying they are better than BTC.

yes, you are right, you can have a lot SPV wallet or so called bookkeeping nodes,

but you do not have the right to be a full nodes, you just listen what the validation nodes tell you.

that's make no difference someone rent 8 server to offer money printing service.


and you do not even know what you are buying, time will tell who is right.

Bitcoin is bitcoin, Ethereum will be Ethereum.


You obviously did not notice that at https://www.antshares.org/ the number of FULL NODES at this point is 417. I think the only requirement to become a full node is having 10,000 ANS and running the proper Linux system whilst meeting all technical specifications. Everyone else who runs it is in effect a light node. If you read the network protocol (https://github.com/AntShares/AntShares/wiki/Network-Protocol), you will see that ANS holders can vote on validator candidates and it can be increased to a maximum of 1024. Validator candidates can be accepted, rejected or revoked. This is a continuous process. Let's give another example: Does a Presidential candidate run the country? No, it is a candidate who can be elected by others. That is the same with the validator candidates you are referring to. If you noticed carefully, 7 are effective and 1 was revoked. This appears to be an old list for selecting candidates. The number that matters is the 417 FULL NODES. This number is increasingly rapidly in the last few days. Contrary to Bitcoin ANS holders get to vote on which parties they trust to run the system.

no, i think the things matter is validation nodes, if this 8 validations node went down, this system worth nothing

that's the reason why i say this will never become a currency.. just a hype.

but it's doesn't matter stupid people will buy this.


and price will still go up ..


i do not what to say.. but this year we are seeing a lot of new people in crypto..

so it's has nothing to do with technology, only things matter is PR.

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June 22, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
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HOLD is HOLD!!!  Cool Cool Cool
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June 22, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
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Volatility seems to have calmed down. Hope we rise from here

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June 22, 2017, 11:32:27 AM
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Volatility seems to have calmed down. Hope we rise from here
At least, to the initial yesterday values...
Unless, it will crash down further to 0.02 btc.
Then I officially have no clue how this is supposed to work.
Please, tell me someone very big one is trying to temporarily low the market preparing it for a massive buy... Undecided

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June 22, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
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why price decline¿

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June 22, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
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What is the size of the blockchain for Antshares and where is it installed in windows? Can I move the location of the blockchain?

nevermind: it seems the block chain installs in the folder wherever you run the application from.
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June 22, 2017, 01:17:09 PM
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Then, why its price is falling like insane right in these seconds?

Whales flooding the market to buy more coins at a lower price it's about to even out or go back up as we soeak
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June 22, 2017, 01:19:10 PM
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Does anyone know who owns the 8 validation nodes? Is it just the antshares team? If it is then it's centralised.
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June 22, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
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Then, why its price is falling like insane right in these seconds?

Whales flooding the market to buy more coins at a lower price it's about to even out or go back up as we soeak

yes its pretty clear cristal : a whales are putting a sell whale of 120 BTC at 0.00309000 on bittrex and a buy whale of 22BTC at  0.00305401  so they can buy cheap at 0.003 level.

The price will skyrocket soon. so hold do not get eaten by whales   Wink
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June 22, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
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The current was too expensive, now how the revenue generated by mining

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June 22, 2017, 01:49:32 PM
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why price decline¿

Classic buy the rumor and sell on the news (news from June 22 conference). The price got a ahead of itself and the news from the conference wasn't earth shattering. Still I think it is an excellent long term hold.
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June 22, 2017, 03:03:51 PM
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Does anyone know who owns the 8 validation nodes? Is it just the antshares team? If it is then it's centralised.

There are not 8 validator nodes. The word used there is 'validator candidates'. Huge difference. You do not just become a validator node. ANS/Neo holders have to vote on it. There are more than 400 full nodes. Those are the validator nodes. The individual spreading the disinformation either wants to buy more at your expense or simply is an Ethereum or Bitcoin holder. Read the network protocol. It states amongst other things the following: "This transaction represents a vote, which indicates that the sponsor wants to vote on one or more of the registered validator candidates. It can be voted to 1024 candidates at maximum and one people at minimum. The weight of the vote is equal to the number of AntShares in this transaction." Source:https://github.com/AntShares/AntShares/wiki/Network-Protocol

The list of validator candidates there is old information and it should and probably will be updated in the near future. Of course the Antshares websites are not up to date when they are being replaced by Neo websites. The English versions for the time also being lag behind the Chinese versions. If you know how your wallet works, you will find that you can vote on a new full node candidate for example. ANS/Neo is relatively more centralised than Bitcoin and Ethereum (yet still decentralised), but unlike the others you do get to vote on full nodes and the network will never consume as much electricity as a country like Denmark, whilst having absolutely superior speed.
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