Cryptopia Cryptocurrency Platform Services and Development

[four3200]

Again, someone all the customers in here are pushing their own agenda of wanting to know what happened to their property.

FACTS
no communicating
not open for business
coins are gone
history of locking working chains
sudden mass delisting
followed by "hack"
and trolling their "muppet" customers

suspect?

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[BenTheAnonMod]

This was posted on 01/20/2019

"The co-founders, shareholders, executive and the entire Cryptopia Team appreciate the support that is being demonstrated here.

We cannot even consider re-opening the exchange while the investigation is in progress.

To even consider doing so would be totally irresponsible of us as it could likely make the way clear for further attacks and even more damage.

Please have patience and faith. We will continue to update everyone as and when we can. Take no notice of the armchair experts."

Digger is the Managing Director of Cryptopia and posted on 01/27/2019

"For those who are querying the NZ Police e-mails referred to, they are legitimate and are copied to me by NZ Police. We will respond when we have substantive facts to report when the investigators give us approval. Until then we are tied as the authorities do not want us to make any statements that might by accident exacerbate the situation and cause more damage."

- https://i.imgur.com/9ziEVfz.png

So you say there is no communication, simply because you refuse to join the Cryptopia discord where all this was posted... Kinda your fault really

[four3200]

NZ Police have published a green light to communicate, on the 14th of Feb.
The above "No Comment" communications are a month old and make promise to communicate asap.
Also note the "Armchair Experts" dig, still using that talking point to deflect.

Publish what you have.  Sign it as proof.
Publish what was stolen so "Armchair Experts" don't have to use educated guesswork to trace stolen goods.

Or are you all making the argument that tracing the stolen funds is privy info?

[BenTheAnonMod]

NZ Police have published a green light to communicate, on the 14th of Feb.
The above "No Comment" communications are a month old and make promise to communicate asap.
Also note the "Armchair Experts" dig, still using that talking point to deflect.

Police didn't give them the green light to communicate on the 14th, they didn't even get access to the BUILDING until the 15th at 5pm on a Friday... Again with the misinformation in here... its getting old now

[four3200]

@newbieAccountAnon_CryptoRepModerator
You're a talker & listening to talkers makes me thirsty.

EXHIBIT A

https://twitter.com/nzpolice/status/1098367362347163648



https://twitter.com/Cryptopia_NZ/status/1096158617022201856

Anyone with information which could assist the investigation can contact police by email at crypto@police.govt.nz

POLICE OFFICE
https://forms.police.govt.nz/forms/complaint/52

INDEPENDENT AGENCY
https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

INCIDENT LOCATION
what's HQ address again?

Registered Office
410 Colombo Street, Sydenham, Christchurch, 8023 , New Zealand

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5392901?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DCryptopia

DESCRIPTION OF SUSPECT
ginger bald fat

Alias
DAWSON & Son
HexxyPooh

[BenTheAnonMod]

Nowhere did it say Cryptopia is able to communicate freely, it simply said for questions regarding your account Contact Cryptopia... right?

[four3200]

Yes it simply said for questions regarding your account Contact Cryptopia.

You know accounting stuff like:

here is your money +  (we have OR don't have the keys)

[four3200]

And can anyone explain why police seal access to a building for a FULL MONTH in a robbery case.
Extra points if you can explain that the hacker, entered thru an internet portal, or actual was renting the office space, or working as an employee.

Rob anyone anywhere but Christchurch, and the public will be informed of the amount taken and a description of suspect by 6pm.

Rob the world from Christchurch, and the public will be told bo-diddly-squat.

[sergiolopez79]

After the security breach (possibly true, not exit scam), the Cryptopia is silent, and it seems not to be in a hurry to open the service for work. It is quite possible they decided that it was better to stop their business in a quiet way, legally insuring themselves by going to the police (they became clean by the law). But this does not indicate their good intentions towards users and the desire to resolve the situation well and quickly for users (not for themselves). Perhaps, after consulting with lawyers, they decided that they would be able to endure several legal claims from the biggest investors, but the majority of users would not take action.

A Cryptopia has more than a million users, perhaps at least several tens of thousands of them are active. The problem of this community is confusion and lack of organization. Many have lost only a few dollars, but there are those who have lost thousands of dollars, nevertheless, one cannot call them big influential investors, these are ordinary people (schoolchildren, students, office workers, programmers, etc.) who do not know what to do.

Nevertheless, the modern world is such that several tens of thousands of people from around the world are a great resource, and they can do a lot if they unite their efforts.

I propose to begin the pressure on Cryptopia, in order to motivate them to quickly resolve the situation in favor of its users. Do not let them go into the shadows and hide for months or years. Let's make them as public as possible, send a spotlight to this company and its owners. Let's make them famous as the stars of Hollywood, let people recognize them on the streets. All crimes like silence and darkness, it is very difficult to do something bad in the light.

What can we do in practice. New Zealand users can send inquiries to their local lawmakers and prosecutors, asking them to conduct a public investigation and publish the results. By law, authorities must comply with such requests of their voters.

Users from other countries can also write to the New Zealand media with the request of the same - often the media conduct their journalistic investigations and betray them to publicity. The media is not obliged to do this, but some media may be interested in this topic themselves (the topic is hot: Millions of dollars were stolen, and millions of people around the world suffered through the fault of the New Zealand company!)

Remember, we are not interested in the details of the theft itself, this is a matter of the police, this is probably secret information that should not be disclosed until the end of the investigation. But we are very interested in the further plans of the owners of the Cryptopea, and their action on the return of our money is what is important to us.

If the owners of the Cryptopia do not respect their users do not want to communicate with us, let the journalists and the representatives of the New Zealand authorities communicate with owners and pass their words to the public.

Here is a set of links from New Zealand media and government authorities, which I found on the Internet. You can complement and expand it.

1. Stuff is New Zealand's largest and most popular news site
https://www.stuff.co.nz/about-stuff/94800421/contact-us
2. ChristchurchNZ is the city’s economic development and city profile agency
https://www.christchurchnz.com/contact-us/
3. TVNZ’s all about sharing the moments that matter to New Zealanders - whether we're breaking news, following adventures, sharing stories or putting smiles on faces.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news
4. Maori Television is New Zealand’s indigenous broadcaster, providing a wide range of local and international programmes for audiences across the country and online.
https://www.maoritelevision.com/about/contact-us
5. WhitebaitMedia is a modern, purpose built production house situated in central Christchurch.
https://www.whitebaitmedia.com/contact/
6. Shine TV is a television network of Rhema Media - New Zealand's largest Christian media organisation.
https://www.shinetv.co.nz/more/contact-us
7. The New Zealand Parliament Site
https://www.parliament.nz/en/footer/contact-us/
8. List of radio stations in Canterbury in New Zealand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Canterbury
9. List of radio stations in New Zealand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_New_Zealand
10. List of Daily newspapers in New Zealand
https://www.w3newspapers.com/new-zealand/
11. Latest breaking news articles, photos, video, blogs, reviews, analysis, opinion and reader comment from New Zealand and around the World - NZ Herald.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/
12. New Zealand Media and Entertainment (NZME)
http://www.nzme.co.nz/contact-us/
13. Otago Daily Times is New Zealand's oldest daily newspaper.
https://www.odt.co.nz/contact-us
14. Advocate South is a multi award-winning weekly newspaper
https://www.thesouthlandapp.co.nz/advocatesouth
15. The New Zealand National Party
https://www.national.org.nz/contact
16. New Zealand Labour Party
https://www.labour.org.nz/contact-us
17. Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand
https://www.greens.org.nz/contact
18. Christchurch City Council
https://www.ccc.govt.nz/ (https://www.ccc.govt.nz/contact-us/contact-us-form)
19. Governor-General of New Zealand
https://gg.govt.nz/contact-us
20. Prime Minister of New Zealand
https://dpmc.govt.nz/contact-us
21. Attorney-General (New Zealand)
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/feedback
22. Radio New Zealand National
https://www.radionz.co.nz/about/contact
23. New Zealand News Portal
https://www.newzealandnews.net/contact

Please write your messages in a friendly and polite manner, explain in detail the situation with the Cryptopia, I also think that you should not focus on your personal losses, but explain that the case affects hundreds of thousands of people around the world (and thousands of New Zealand citizens among them).

Let's start fighting for our money, remember: The sleeping fox catches no chickens!

[four3200]

@sergiolopez79

Great post!

@cryptopia "Family"

[BenTheAnonMod]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.

It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority.

Members of the NCSC flew from Wellington first thing the next morning at were in the Cryptopia office conducting interviews and gathering evidence by 08:30am NZST. The NZ Police High Tech Crimes Group, also from Wellington were in the Cryptopia office from noon on the same day and issued search and seizure warrants effectively taking control of the building and all of the systems.

In cooperation with NZ Police and NCSC they identified key specialist staff who were tasked with working with the investigators to clone systems to preserve forensic evidence for investigation.

This took 3.5 weeks to complete and our specialist staff have now turned to carrying the work that is necessary to ensure that assets are retained in a secure environment.

While the Police statement that they are no longer constraining our return to operations and trading, it would be extremely reckless for us to do this until we can fully identify the losses and ensure that the balance is absolutely secure. NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

[KriptoGuruTR]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

Hahahahha again trying to hide behind the police

BTW what is managing director's name? (Sarcastically asking the question to BenTheAnonMod )

[BenTheAnonMod]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

Hahahahha again trying to hide behind the police

BTW what is managing director's name? (Sarcastically asking the question to BenTheAnonMod )

Its public information you could have found if you bothered to look, don't worry though I did it for you.

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5392901?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DCryptopia

[KriptoGuruTR]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

Hahahahha again trying to hide behind the police

BTW what is managing director's name? (Sarcastically asking the question to BenTheAnonMod )

Its public information you could have found if you bothered to look, don't worry though I did it for you.

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5392901?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DCryptopia

Asking you is funnier...

[belkaloveXXX]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.

It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority.

Members of the NCSC flew from Wellington first thing the next morning at were in the Cryptopia office conducting interviews and gathering evidence by 08:30am NZST. The NZ Police High Tech Crimes Group, also from Wellington were in the Cryptopia office from noon on the same day and issued search and seizure warrants effectively taking control of the building and all of the systems.

In cooperation with NZ Police and NCSC they identified key specialist staff who were tasked with working with the investigators to clone systems to preserve forensic evidence for investigation.

This took 3.5 weeks to complete and our specialist staff have now turned to carrying the work that is necessary to ensure that assets are retained in a secure environment.

While the Police statement that they are no longer constraining our return to operations and trading, it would be extremely reckless for us to do this until we can fully identify the losses and ensure that the balance is absolutely secure. NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

when this news updated

[bisti]

Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director

While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.

It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority.

Members of the NCSC flew from Wellington first thing the next morning at were in the Cryptopia office conducting interviews and gathering evidence by 08:30am NZST. The NZ Police High Tech Crimes Group, also from Wellington were in the Cryptopia office from noon on the same day and issued search and seizure warrants effectively taking control of the building and all of the systems.

In cooperation with NZ Police and NCSC they identified key specialist staff who were tasked with working with the investigators to clone systems to preserve forensic evidence for investigation.

This took 3.5 weeks to complete and our specialist staff have now turned to carrying the work that is necessary to ensure that assets are retained in a secure environment.

While the Police statement that they are no longer constraining our return to operations and trading, it would be extremely reckless for us to do this until we can fully identify the losses and ensure that the balance is absolutely secure. NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway.

I can only say that everything is clear with this manager putting official announcement ON DISCORD with a lot of explaining

Let's make a group law sue

[somebody else]

I can only say that everything is clear with this manager putting official announcement ON DISCORD with a lot of explaining

Let's make a group law sue

Nothing is clear, especially what will the court decide.

Compare the court decisions in MtGox (Japan), and Cryptsy (Belize, USA) as the most characteristic and different cases. At MtGox case the court decided very good, clients will get the most of the found, recovered Bitcoins, and in Cryptsy case the court decided to sell very big majority of the coins (smaller altcoins) to the only 3 persons for few thousands USD only to each of that buyers, as I have read.

Is that risk acceptable to you?

How much percent of your invested money do you plan to get in the case similar to the second one? Did you calculate that?

[TheCryproMaster]

LOFL writing to the green party to get any help on a crypto hack the irony my sides have split from neck to nuts.

[Labrader]

So basically that update says they've been copying hard drives for a month and did nothing else. Makes you wonder why involve the police in the first place.

Look what I wrote on January 16th:

If the law enforcement is involved, this will not have a speedy resolution. They'll "arrest the hard drive" and things will drag, maybe there'll be people prosecuted, a trial and so on.

I'm confused about the timeline. This A person posting on their twitter, presumably the owner himself, kept reassuring users (by directly replying to their tweets) they are hard at work and it won't be long now, when they seem to have known at that time there was a security incident.

Involving the police seems, to me, as a move on their part to limit personal liability. This lack of information as well: when lawyers advise you to STFU, usually means it's in your personal interest.
Scene examination... hm... they're going to dust the USB cable for prints or what? Check for a shoeprint of the hacker eloping with the crypto in the duffel bag?
Recovering funds is just one of the priorities. Not the biggest, apparently. Which are the other priorities?

Now, going back to that timeline thing, in this latest update it says they noticed something funny on January 14th. That's Monday. Help me with something: in the weekend prior, that is between 11th and 13th, I noticed (empirically) a drop in trade volume. Did anyone else noticed that?

And also:
https://twitter.com/Cryptopia_NZ/status/1084705458533785601

I'm definitely not 24h away from NZ and this tweet appears for me on January 13th. I don't get this:

It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform

[xtraelv]

I can only say that everything is clear with this manager putting official announcement ON DISCORD with a lot of explaining

Let's make a group law sue

Nothing is clear, especially what will the court decide.

Compare the court decisions in MtGox (Japan), and Cryptsy (Belize, USA) as the most characteristic and different cases. At MtGox case the court decided very good, clients will get the most of the found, recovered Bitcoins, and in Cryptsy case the court decided to sell very big majority of the coins (smaller altcoins) to the only 3 persons for few thousands USD only to each of that buyers, as I have read.

Is that risk acceptable to you?

How much percent of your invested money do you plan to get in the case similar to the second one? Did you calculate that?

Actually - the MtGox funds would already have been distributed if it wasn't for the CoinLab lawsuit holding it up.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/unconfirmed-coinlab-increases-mt-gox-claim-from-75-million-to-16-billion