Is taxation theft?

[criptix]

They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.

You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.

Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.

Communist!!

Free education = much welfare rats

Free = welfare = stalin

[RealityTruth]

Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html

[BADecker]

They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.

You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.

Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.

I'm with you on the idea of getting rid of welfare, but what about free education? What if I don't want to support free education. I bet there are a whole lot of people who don't.

When government gives somebody else something free, by stealing it from a third person, the third person loses some of HIS freedom. In addition, the energy government exerts to take some of my freedom and give it to some student, is energy that government has to be paid for somehow. So, government steals some more of my freedom just to support itself in its freedom stealing efforts.

The stealing isn't right. There are plenty of people who would willingly donate to free education for kids, without the government having to step in and get paid for their inefficient operation.

Trump is talking about doing away with the Department of Education in the U.S.

[RealityTruth]

How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.

[iluvbitcoins]

How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.

Private police?

That sounds like it would quickly grow into a wide conflict of the biggest forces for power and complete reign over the territory, most likely resulting into a dictatorship

[dippididodaday]

Taxation is theft, and the funny thing is the richest people (businesses) pay almost no tax (or extremely little percentage wise). For tax- aka theft system to be more effective, the rich corporations should be taxed the most. This would make this theft system work much better in accomplishing its goal of stealing, but of course it will never happen. This is why those rich corps are so fat in the pockets in the first place. They steal par excellence in cahoots with the government.  

[Tyrantt]

They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.

You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.

Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.

Communist!!

Free education = much welfare rats

Free = welfare = stalin

Kind of in transition last 15 years They only need to lower the income tax and make it easier to start a business, maybe get a little push start and it would be amazing here, also they need to stop giving money to the failing corrupt businesses, we're losing great money here because they're bailing out companies that have a corrupt top :/ But china has a lot of investments here tho

[Tyrantt]

How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.

Private police?

That sounds like it would quickly grow into a wide conflict of the biggest forces for power and complete reign over the territory, most likely resulting into a dictatorship

and if that private police and military are corrupt or their owner has a different thjinking that the government top, things might get ugly.

[Shady]

As society develops there is more need for currency in circulation to get regulated. Back in the day taxation didn't give anybody anything, nowadays this is the opposite... It can even save your life later in the elder days when you need it.

If wanting to get the most out of paying into any government system, aim for applying as much as possible into the offered services. Retirement or annuities open up as well as bonuses from expenses or new era technological expansions around your house (think green.)

Overall, with more gained it does seem like something you should do if not current with it.

[BADecker]

As society develops there is more need for currency in circulation to get regulated. Back in the day taxation didn't give anybody anything, nowadays this is the opposite... It can even save your life later in the elder days when you need it.

If wanting to get the most out of paying into any government system, aim for applying as much as possible into the offered services. Retirement or annuities open up as well as bonuses from expenses or new era technological expansions around your house (think green.)

Overall, with more gained it does seem like something you should do if not current with it.

That's what I say.

Make robots to do everything for us for free. Then give us all the tax money back. Then, finally, drop the taxes completely.

[Sithara007]

Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html

Very soon Finland is going to become bankrupt. From where they are going to find the money, to fund this insane initiative? They can print only a limited number of the Euro banknotes.

[RealityTruth]

Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html

Very soon Finland is going to become bankrupt. From where they are going to find the money, to fund this insane initiative? They can print only a limited number of the Euro banknotes.

I think the universal basic income will be implemented throughout the whole eurozone eventually. There's so high unemployment rate and automation will make most of the remaining jobs obsolete. It's necessary to protect the society from collapsing by giving people all the necessities they need. ECB will be forced to print enough money to pay the bill, like they do already. But in the future, the printed money is (hopefully) being given to poor people also, so that the society won't collapse into civil unrest and rich people can still have their wealth without utilizing private armies to protect it.

[valta4065]

It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

And as you'll see France is not an isolated case, it's the same in most European "socialist" countries

There is a huge lie spreads by most media saying that socialism is the wrong way of managing things. What I see is that our Health Care industry is much more efficient (similar services for much lower cost) than the American one. Never saw proofs of the contrary.

So you prefer being taxes by your government, or being taxed 50% more by private companies?

Your call.

source:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

[devthedev]

As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

[Sithara007]

It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

Healthcare in the United States is a sham. Compared to the European nations, healthcare in the United States is at least 200% more expensive. That said, there are many good examples for affordable private sector healthcare around the world. Thailand is a good example.

[mainpmf]

As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

[BADecker]

As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Oh, I get it. Rather than having direct 100% control of your money, so that you get to spend it as you want, you give 100% of your money to government, and then control them to spend it the way you want.

If you believe anything can work like this, without you losing a lot of your labor and money...

Oh, never mind. What's the use. Give 'em your money.

[Sithara007]

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Direct democracy exists only in textbooks. It may be impracticable as well. In many of the nations, less than half of the people vote, and even their concerns are not considered while the laws and regulations are drafted by the politicians.

[mainpmf]

As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Oh, I get it. Rather than having direct 100% control of your money, so that you get to spend it as you want, you give 100% of your money to government, and then control them to spend it the way you want.

If you believe anything can work like this, without you losing a lot of your labor and money...

Oh, never mind. What's the use. Give 'em your money.

Oh it's not that i think that. It's that it is a fact.

Go check health care instution between private and public. Public so tax funded and government managed helth care system is 33% mor efficient.

So YES grouping the money and deciding and managing all together is more efficient. Please prove the contrary.

Cause public institution of health care = 11% of gdp while private is about 18%

[mainpmf]

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Direct democracy exists only in textbooks. It may be impracticable as well. In many of the nations, less than half of the people vote, and even their concerns are not considered while the laws and regulations are drafted by the politicians.

That's just because we have no democracy yet. Juste because it doesnt exist doesn't mean that it can't be created.

And of course few people vote! It's useless as hell because you have no control on what politicians do once they're elected!!!
But you could imagine a real direct democracy where laws are voted by the people. Then I belive most people will suddenly follow far more politcal and economical world...