Is taxation theft?

[Sithara007]

Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

[bitcoinboy12]

Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

Well shouldn't it be prohibited everywhere not steal? In the first place, stealing on its own is an immoral act. Anyhow, I guess what we actually want to point out instead is that there really are countries where the people are more mindful of their government, that is why the officials would rather not to steal.

[pepethefrog]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

Exactly.

The word has a similar etymology and background as the word "extortion".

"You got a nice society there... it would be sad if something bad happened to it..."



The walking dead have a very fitting analogy of a group of people (and their boss) who require payments ... or else...

[BADecker]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

Exactly.

The word has a similar etymology and background as the word "extortion".

"You got a nice society there... it would be sad if something bad happened to it..."



The walking dead have a very fitting analogy of a group of people (and their boss) who require payments ... or else...

[Dem-artini]

Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

I think stealing everywhere. Just at different scales. Even in China, where embezzlement is punishable by execution officials steal. In Russia in General without exception, all officials are thieves. Trump for me is also a thief because you didn't pay taxes

[valta4065]

Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.

Thank you for bringing social Darwinism here.
This is something that is commonly said in ALL medias and that people believe nowadays.
But this thesis has nothing to be based on. There is NOTHING that proves that only the strong should survive. People say that like it's some kind of magical sentence that allows them to go for a completely free market where the strong eats the weak, but that is a complete nonsense and a failure from an evolution perspective.

It has been scientifically proven that Humanity is based on COOPERATION far more than on personal strength. Our entire evolution and development is NOT based on conflict but on helping each other.

By the way, the correct sentence isn't "only the strong should survive" but "survival of the fittest" which is entirely different. This kind of behaviours and thinking is currently leading us to the end of our evolution.

Yes, there are several formulas. I've also seen survival of the smartest, or survival of those who can best adapt to change. That last one is probably the one I like most. I don't believe the strong shall eat the weak, why? Actually, the weak is just getting more and more... Useless. 100 years ago, the rich needed the poor to work in huge factories, not anymore.

Have you seen the thousands of migrants living in the streets in France, Germany, Italy? Have you traveled in Africa, or India? I've traveled a lot, and I've seen too millions in need of help. Can you help them all? Myself, I'll stick to help my family and my few friends. There are more and more people on this planet, needing more and more resources, this can't keep on going. We see thousands of animal species disappearing, I wish it would be millions of humans.

What you're saying is partly wrong for one simple reason: you talk like we hadn't the means to help everyone.
We do. Not only we do but we have what is needed to help everyone and to make sure everyone will have a decent life.
Do you even realize that the vast majority of ressources, money and materials are possessed by only an incredibly tiny part of the population?

Population is a problem that's right, but that's far from being the only one or the most important.

Oh and something else important: you take care of your family, fair enough. That's how you should live. But don't act like you're not responsible for what's happening in the world. We all have a part of responsibility. Which is not something bad in itself! It's not bad if you hurt someone to make yourself better... It's a choice that's all.
The worst part is that here we destroy the world and get nothing in return! We're being exploited like the rest of 3rd world, we just get more in return...

[valta4065]

Right on!

Even Jesus said similar. It happened when the woman anointed his feet with some expensive oil (maybe it was spikenard), after she had washed them with her tears and dried them with her hair.

Some of the people around Jesus (particularly Judas Iscariot) condemned the woman, saying that the oil could have been sold for as much as a year's wages, and the money given to the poor. What did Jesus answer? From Mark 14:7:

The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.

Noooooooooo? That can't be true you're kidding me?
I mean, Jesus actually said "don't take care of the poors, take care of my feet"?

If that's the case that makes him a real ass hole xD

[countryfree]

Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.

Thank you for bringing social Darwinism here.
This is something that is commonly said in ALL medias and that people believe nowadays.
But this thesis has nothing to be based on. There is NOTHING that proves that only the strong should survive. People say that like it's some kind of magical sentence that allows them to go for a completely free market where the strong eats the weak, but that is a complete nonsense and a failure from an evolution perspective.

It has been scientifically proven that Humanity is based on COOPERATION far more than on personal strength. Our entire evolution and development is NOT based on conflict but on helping each other.

By the way, the correct sentence isn't "only the strong should survive" but "survival of the fittest" which is entirely different. This kind of behaviours and thinking is currently leading us to the end of our evolution.

Yes, there are several formulas. I've also seen survival of the smartest, or survival of those who can best adapt to change. That last one is probably the one I like most. I don't believe the strong shall eat the weak, why? Actually, the weak is just getting more and more... Useless. 100 years ago, the rich needed the poor to work in huge factories, not anymore.

Have you seen the thousands of migrants living in the streets in France, Germany, Italy? Have you traveled in Africa, or India? I've traveled a lot, and I've seen too millions in need of help. Can you help them all? Myself, I'll stick to help my family and my few friends. There are more and more people on this planet, needing more and more resources, this can't keep on going. We see thousands of animal species disappearing, I wish it would be millions of humans.

What you're saying is partly wrong for one simple reason: you talk like we hadn't the means to help everyone.
We do. Not only we do but we have what is needed to help everyone and to make sure everyone will have a decent life.
Do you even realize that the vast majority of ressources, money and materials are possessed by only an incredibly tiny part of the population?

Population is a problem that's right, but that's far from being the only one or the most important.

Oh and something else important: you take care of your family, fair enough. That's how you should live. But don't act like you're not responsible for what's happening in the world. We all have a part of responsibility. Which is not something bad in itself! It's not bad if you hurt someone to make yourself better... It's a choice that's all.
The worst part is that here we destroy the world and get nothing in return! We're being exploited like the rest of 3rd world, we just get more in return...

That's not my point. It's highly doubtful we have what it takes to give every human on Earth a decent life, but my point is that we should not provide them a decent life. I'm a lucky guy, I've seen giraffes in the wild in Kenya. They're all gone now. They've all been hunted and their natural habitat has been destroyed. The only ones remaining are in zoos or reserves.

The tigers are disappearing fast, too, and so are most large animals everywhere. Many people see nothing wrong with that, it's just a sad consequence of human's population growth. Kenya's population has grown nearly ten-fold in a single century. Man is a creation of God, so he has every right to destroy anything on the planet to support his living, with governments organizing his domination with tax money. I've seen people starving, and I've also seen a guy who seemed less than 25 driving a Bugatti Veyron, but that's not important. What really matters is that millions of people have nearly ceased to be humans, becoming unable to support themselves, because of government's various welfare policies. That's why I say most tax is theft. It's also a crime against nature, turning able men into government's puppets.

[Sithara007]

Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

Well shouldn't it be prohibited everywhere not steal? In the first place, stealing on its own is an immoral act. Anyhow, I guess what we actually want to point out instead is that there really are countries where the people are more mindful of their government, that is why the officials would rather not to steal.

The citizens of a country usually gets the type of government which they deserve. Those in Singapore and Switzerland are not tolerant of corruption, and therefore they don't allow corrupt officials to get elected. On the other hand, the Sub Saharan Africans and South Asians are more tolerant towards corruption, and they elect officials on the basis of race, caste and creed.

[gabmen]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Well if it goes directly to a few greedy people's pockets then there's no question that we are being robbed. Though if it goes true to it's porpose and implemented honestly, it can better any nation's progress. The only problem really is it's very prone to corrupt people that holds high offices.

[SameHow]

Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

Well shouldn't it be prohibited everywhere not steal? In the first place, stealing on its own is an immoral act. Anyhow, I guess what we actually want to point out instead is that there really are countries where the people are more mindful of their government, that is why the officials would rather not to steal.

The citizens of a country usually gets the type of government which they deserve. Those in Singapore and Switzerland are not tolerant of corruption, and therefore they don't allow corrupt officials to get elected. On the other hand, the Sub Saharan Africans and South Asians are more tolerant towards corruption, and they elect officials on the basis of race, caste and creed.

There is a country worse than Africa. Russia. There do not choose politicians who have no stolen millions. All politicians in Russia are thieves. I think that's why almost all Russian is very poor.

[dreamer81]

No it is not theft. You get something in return for the tax you pay. It has always been like this. In the early days, the taxes was collected to give  you protection from bandits etc. Today taxes are used for all sorts of things.

[Lancusters]

No it is not theft. You get something in return for the tax you pay. It has always been like this. In the early days, the taxes was collected to give  you protection from bandits etc. Today taxes are used for all sorts of things.

Why, then, are taxes not enough? I think that if the government hadn't stolen the taxes that the people would live much better. On the other hand people are to blame that vote for those who they are robbing.

[lesterdsa]

You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?

[adzino]

You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?

The very government who are also funding the terrorists and invaders. Using our very own money to kill a lot of innocent people. Forgot about state sponsored terrorism? How is that not a theft??

[ridery99]

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45

[drakker]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

It depends on the officials of your country or state..You can call it a theft if the tax went to the pocket of corrupt officials. Otherwise tax is important in a country's development for the good of its people.

[countryfree]

You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?

Where do you live?
In the countries I've been, governments do not protect people's ass from terrorists and invaders.
Governments have also failed to protect the environment. At last, they've very successful protecting the interests and well-being of the whole political class.

[BADecker]

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45

There is a difference between taxation and donation.   

[mainpmf]

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45

There is a difference between taxation and donation.   

Yeah, if it was donation it would be written they might do it or it would be good to do it.
Whereas here it's an order and a description of what should be done.
First time I agree with Jesus though.