Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Karpeles]

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I know i have been here for a long time and i see similar posts.
Where do you get these charts ?
I am really interested lol

Click in explanation. Chances are you will find a explanation about something, maybe related to the graphs

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[ssmc2]

Stamp making moves but no one else following.....

[TaurusBit]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Agreed. The twins have been slow, I don't see Gemini pushing the price higher..

But I've read a lot of good news lately. They will get priced in, sooner or later.

[Morecoin Freeman]

Countdown time again,


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[ImI]

Gemini is a neccessary requirement for the ETF as it will be the connection to the market.

[Karpeles]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Agreed. The twins have been slow, I don't see Gemini pushing the price higher..

But I've read a lot of good news lately. They will get priced in, sooner or later.

The pumps need some pretext to happen, or people will realize that they are pure manipulation, so Gemini will have some short term effect on prices

[The KGB]

Stamp making moves but no one else following.....

Europe is pumping and China is dumping same old same old.. China always win the late night battles, no big suprise really.

[TerraMaster]

Well well is finally happening lol... we have been taunted now for 3 weeks! 

[PoolMinor]

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[Fakhoury]

Gemini is a neccessary requirement for the ETF as it will be the connection to the market.

How is that ?

[Fakhoury]

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And ?

[natewelt]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong here saying that the Swedish ETN ruins the COIN ETFs novelty. ETNs do not = ETFs, not even close

ETNs are not nearly as secure and transparent ETFs. ETFs actually hold the underlying asset being tracked and ETNs simply follow the price. This gives people much more confidence in using ETFs to earn returns versus ETNs. If the company that runs the ETN goes out of business the ETN would become worthless (ETN = unsecured debt), but with an ETF there are actual assets backing the investors purchases so they have much more security.  

[Andre#]

Gemini will be a "fully regulated, fully compliant" exchange with major fiat backing (Winklevoss twins) They also have a major stake in Bitcoin with a reported 1-2 percent of there assets in BTC.

The Twins seem serious and motivated to "Make Bitcoin bigger then Facebook".

If sombody will make BTC "Mainstream" it will be them.

Yeah but is this just a U.S thing only? Most exchanges are awful with Euro, pound sterling etc.

Apart from in the U.S. it's pretty shitty for the average person to buy bitcoins.

This has most likely been mentioned 100s of times but if the winkles have that much what's to stop them dumping on Gemini?

Not trolling, just asking.

I think the traded currency doesn't matter that much, it's how accessible an exchange is from where you are what matters. Like, not having to send an expensive wire to transfer fiat funds. Kraken is perfect for EUR<>BTC in Europe, so is Bitstamp even though they trade USD<>BTC. I live in the Netherlands, and I can fund Clevercoin or Bitonic instantly with Euros if I am in a hurry to buy BTC. So, buying with Euros is easy, fast, and cheap.

[ImI]

Gemini is a neccessary requirement for the ETF as it will be the connection to the market.

How is that ?

The ETF has to buy every BTC that is bought at Wallstreet in the "real" BTC markets. Every share of the ETF has to be underlaid by BTCs. In their proposal at the SEC they explained that those BTC will be bought at the usual BTC markets. Given Gemini is their own exchange its obv that they will likely use Gemini to fill orders from Wallstreet.

So you see? Gemini is an important requirement for the ETF.

[Morecoin Freeman]

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[ChartBuddy]

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[ImI]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong here saying that the Swedish ETN ruins the COIN ETFs novelty. ETNs do not = ETFs, not even close

ETNs are not nearly as secure and transparent ETFs. ETFs actually hold the underlying asset being tracked and ETNs simply follow the price. This gives people much more confidence in using ETFs to earn returns versus ETNs. If the company that runs the ETN goes out of business the ETN would become worthless (ETN = unsecured debt), but with an ETF there are actual assets backing the investors purchases so they have much more security.  

Exactly, if the price goes lunatic and makes new ATH the company issuing the ETN could go bankrupt as they eventually have to pay those gains out of their own pockets.

[PoolMinor]

And ?

[natewelt]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong here saying that the Swedish ETN ruins the COIN ETFs novelty. ETNs do not = ETFs, not even close

ETNs are not nearly as secure and transparent ETFs. ETFs actually hold the underlying asset being tracked and ETNs simply follow the price. This gives people much more confidence in using ETFs to earn returns versus ETNs. If the company that runs the ETN goes out of business the ETN would become worthless (ETN = unsecured debt), but with an ETF there are actual assets backing the investors purchases so they have much more security.  

Exactly, if the price goes lunatic and makes new ATH the company issuing the ETN could go bankrupt as they eventually have to pay those gains out of their own pockets.

Which is why you should never invest in an ETN unless you know the company has a good credit rating and that the chances of bankruptcy are almost non-existent.

[ImI]

The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.

I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong here saying that the Swedish ETN ruins the COIN ETFs novelty. ETNs do not = ETFs, not even close

ETNs are not nearly as secure and transparent ETFs. ETFs actually hold the underlying asset being tracked and ETNs simply follow the price. This gives people much more confidence in using ETFs to earn returns versus ETNs. If the company that runs the ETN goes out of business the ETN would become worthless (ETN = unsecured debt), but with an ETF there are actual assets backing the investors purchases so they have much more security.  

Exactly, if the price goes lunatic and makes new ATH the company issuing the ETN could go bankrupt as they eventually have to pay those gains out of their own pockets.

Which is why you should never invest in an ETN unless you know the company has a good credit rating and that the chances of bankruptcy are almost non-existent.

Exactly.  And thats why no "big money" will ever flow into such an ETN.