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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

The damage is too much. We are talking about irreparable "data-loss" damage here. You can't repair what is already gone. In the future, you could probably farm a genetical clone from the available DNA but the brain is fucked up.

With the information argument there's at bare minimum the option of restoring a human with impairments, then fixing the damage that stops them from acting human. Worst case scenario would be total (but probably partial) memory loss. Which would still potentially be preferable to some to certain death.

And I'm not convinced whatsoever that any of the damage is permanently irreversible.

We run data compression all the time. In reverse that means that you don't need full information to restore everything that's relevant.

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[wachtwoord]

It'd also probably be quite cumbersome to shit billions and billions and billions of human bodies for replacements.

Billions? For what reason do you believe billions can afford this at any time in the next millennia. It will only be for the lucky few if available at all.

[gentlemand]

The only thing that really extends life a significant amount is fasting.  You can take any living creature and restrict the amount of calories it intakes and it will live much longer.

I am solely interested in things that extend youth and middle age - which would be tricky without a black hole- not the utter horror and drudgery that comes after that. I'd rather be fat and dead than stringing out another 20 years of staring into the abyss on my bony buttocks.

[bitserve]

The problem with the full body transplant is mainly making the neural reconnections. Once that solved most the way ahead is clear. Nanotech, microsurgery, automation, etc... advances in those fields maybe could lead to that. But I thought maybe some "crude" experiment with moderate success could have already been made in animals. It seems not.

Digital mind/upload is another way I don't think is viable as a life extending alternative. I mean, you could end with a similar person but it would just be a copy, not me, not my conscience of being me.... if it was even possible anyways.

Reversing/halting the effects of aging also sound like sci-fi at this time. More so the reversing part of it.

It's the full body transplant the only thing I could consider viable even if the tech to carry it is still way far.

There are artificial limbs (arms with hands and fingers) that were successfully attached to amputees. They were connected to the nerves of the patient, which was then able to use the arm as his own while also being able to feel things with it. So we already have this demonstrated not in animals, but in humans. The reason this is moving so slowly is because you can't just walk around attaching heads to bodies.

I don't see why the digital presence should not be you, as long as the connection is established properly (rather than just copying your memories onto a computer).

But there is a simple solution to this problem.

You create an interface with which you are simultaneously aware of your physical body and digital presence. Add a function that allows you to temporarily enable and disable either presence while keeping your consciousness. That way you can test for yourself if the digital version of you is still "you". Depending on the results of this you can choose yourself what you want to do.


May sound sci-fi, but is not. It's reality and has been demonstrated in rats and more primitive animals. Life-spans have been extended quite significantly in those and clinical human trials started this year. The problem with human trials is that, well, it kind of takes a lifetime to get one data point.

Full body transplant is the one that seems the most bothersome to me. At least for life extension purposes. This seems more like a "get a resilient body that won't get smashed in a car accident" kind of thing. It'd also probably be quite cumbersome to shit billions and billions and billions of human bodies for replacements.

But when I talk about full body transplant I mean what some people incorrectly call a brain transplant. The amount of neural reconnections needed for that surgery is... well... very far off of connecting a few thick nerves for a limb.

Also, for that to function properly it would need to be an exact genetical clone. Otherwise the brain would probably don't know how to properly "operate" the new alien body. I am speculating of course.

About the digital presence.... well, I am sure it would behave exactly like me. But it won't be me. Not my conscience self.

If you take the code of two programs and copy them. Then run each instance... each instance behaves the same, but it is not the SAME. It's hard for me to explain this in english.

[micgoossens]

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Just goes to show that if you're gonna buy something with Bitcoin, make it count, so you'll have no regrets years later. 

indeed, i try to use BTC from time to time to make payments, but never from the HODL/cold storage stash
*thats a "hole" with an only ingoing and strictly no outgoings whatsoever*

but if one hodl and just buy some extra BTC to use for payments why not its only good

[Last of the V8s]

Oh Homer you poor old sausage. Very sad to hear that. Stay with us and we will keep you busy. But what a fucking thing.

  Thanks V8  Fortunately, I didn't quit my day-job (well I work shift... but you know what I mean) and soon I will qualify for discount meals at the local senior center.  Wednesday is roast beef dinner day - currently only CAD $5.84 with a beverage (non-alcoholic).

Seems xclnt value. Remember to liberate the sachets of horseradish sauce etc for spicing up noodle soups.

Still can't quite believe the mayor just ran off with all your money, but there's no accounting for folk.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

It is your memory which makes you "you". So as long as your memory lives, you live. Whether it lives on a computer or on a living body doesn't matter.

As long as you still remember certain events happened in your life, that's you.

I disagree. You precede your memories. Without you being there first there is no you to have memories.

The question is then whether or not you are the substrate that holds the memories. And in that case people run into a problem about putting their memories on a "different" computer (which my previous post shows how to solve in the future).

I'm really interested but I think the "best" thing so far is Rapamycine and that is highly experimental, only tested on mice and its unknown why it works.

I've been looking at this at least yearly for a decade and its a strong desire of mine as I consider human lives crazy short (plus I want to see the future, living is the only time machine likely feasible in our universe).

If you have better/more info available I'm very interested. Links are perfectly fine too.

Thanks!

Not really sure about any links since I haven't checked in for a while. But you can run any of the keywords into Google and find plenty of sources.

There are some serious researchers in Cambridge, Harvard and similar places these days. The main research institute for aging appears to be SENS by the way.

And with some of the keywords I've mentioned they're not directly being pursued for aging, but if you look at them you'll see that they offer themselves to that in the future.

[Dabs]

Bit worried about the Mayor and Quadrigacx

Oh yeah... hadn't thought about that possible connection.

By the way, it is funny that we have not had many members of this thread asserting that they lost money in Quadrigacx.

I lost 1.5 BTC on Quad, which was supposed to fund my expenses for the next several months. And I only use exchanges for the duration of the deposit, trade, and withdrawal. It just happened to die on me at the exact wrong (or right) time I used it. Otherwise, I don't keep anything on any exchange.

[Globb0]

Nothing just gets plugged in. The brain learns connections all over again

[xhomerx10]

Oh Homer you poor old sausage. Very sad to hear that. Stay with us and we will keep you busy. But what a fucking thing.

  Thanks V8  Fortunately, I didn't quit my day-job (well I work shift... but you know what I mean) and soon I will qualify for discount meals at the local senior center.  Wednesday is roast beef dinner day - currently only CAD $5.84 with a beverage (non-alcoholic).

Seems xclnt value. Remember to liberate the sachets of horseradish sauce etc for spicing up noodle soups.

Still can't quite believe the mayor just ran off with all your money, but there's no accounting for folk.

 Soup-of-the-day is $2.oo and seems like a rip-off after seeing the cost of the entire dinner - I wont be partaking but I may take a few packets of sauce home with me to put in my canned soup
Thanks for the tip.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

It'd also probably be quite cumbersome to shit billions and billions and billions of human bodies for replacements.

Billions? For what reason do you believe billions can afford this at any time in the next millennia. It will only be for the lucky few if available at all.

Economics of scale. Cost of production for everything is going down and with abundant energy (fusion) and advances in AI physical "things" will be virtually free. But producing all those bodies would still be less desirable than just getting some vaccine.

[infofront]

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...

There's been talks of infusing older people with young blood, as lambie slayer pointed out. In the not too distant future, coiners will be farming young nocoiners for their blood.

[micgoossens]

Bit worried about the Mayor and Quadrigacx

Oh yeah... hadn't thought about that possible connection.

By the way, it is funny that we have not had many members of this thread asserting that they lost money in Quadrigacx.

 Somehow I feel goaded into a reply:

 There's nothing funny about it and we won't be certain how much money we have lost (assertions will be difficult) until the legal process is complete and from my perspective it is mildly embarrassing - I can only imagine how others feel.  There is a modicum of hope that some money will be recovered though with all the lawyers and bean-counters involved, any amounts of cash and/or coin recovered is dwindling as they take their pound of flesh for services rendered.  I stand to lose some (or all) of the CAD I have on the QuadrigaCX exchange but thanks to jbreher for reminding me about the proof of keys, I transferred the Bitcoin held on QuadrigaCX back to my local wallets on Dec. 31st.

 It's disheartening but nothing new in Bitcoin.  I've been screwed by Butterfly Labs on ASIC purchases, screwed by KNC miner who had my money for nearly a year without delivering my mining device or refunding my money(Bitcoin), I've been screwed out of funds when BTC-TC got shaken down by the SEC, screwed out of funds by creativex when he disappeared with investor funds from our mining operation bASIC Mining, screwed by ASICMiner (friedcat) when they went tits up and he disappeared after moving the shares from BTC-TC to Havelock Investments, slightly screwed over by AMHash (which may or may not have been mining at all), nearly screwed by Cryptsy though I never kept much on there as it was only used for exchanging my mined altcoin for Bitcoin, I had set up an account on GOX but never put money or coins in it fortunately, I've even been screwed on a coffee purchase using Bitcoin here on the forum.  Fuck.  Any normal person probably would have quit Bitcoin by now but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

 I know you like percentages JJG so I'll give you two.  My CAD on deposit with QuadrigaCX (which I stand to lose) is ~300% of my total investment in Bitcoin or ~7% of the money I spent on cigarettes when I was young(er) and foolish(er).
 

jeez not the most of luck you had have ......

some good on the post = cigarettes when<------

quitting that is a huge succes

[bitserve]

Sorry to hear about your loss xhomerx and Dabs.

I am still waiting for my GOX compensation but there's always hope.

[micgoossens]

Bit worried about the Mayor and Quadrigacx

Oh yeah... hadn't thought about that possible connection.

By the way, it is funny that we have not had many members of this thread asserting that they lost money in Quadrigacx.

I lost 1.5 BTC on Quad, which was supposed to fund my expenses for the next several months. And I only use exchanges for the duration of the deposit, trade, and withdrawal. It just happened to die on me at the exact wrong (or right) time I used it. Otherwise, I don't keep anything on any exchange.

always to merit when we read to not hold anything on an exchange when it doesn't need to be there

not you're keys = not you're BTC keep loving that   

[xhomerx10]

Bit worried about the Mayor and Quadrigacx

Oh yeah... hadn't thought about that possible connection.

By the way, it is funny that we have not had many members of this thread asserting that they lost money in Quadrigacx.

 Somehow I feel goaded into a reply:

 There's nothing funny about it and we won't be certain how much money we have lost (assertions will be difficult) until the legal process is complete and from my perspective it is mildly embarrassing - I can only imagine how others feel.  There is a modicum of hope that some money will be recovered though with all the lawyers and bean-counters involved, any amounts of cash and/or coin recovered is dwindling as they take their pound of flesh for services rendered.  I stand to lose some (or all) of the CAD I have on the QuadrigaCX exchange but thanks to jbreher for reminding me about the proof of keys, I transferred the Bitcoin held on QuadrigaCX back to my local wallets on Dec. 31st.

 It's disheartening but nothing new in Bitcoin.  I've been screwed by Butterfly Labs on ASIC purchases, screwed by KNC miner who had my money for nearly a year without delivering my mining device or refunding my money(Bitcoin), I've been screwed out of funds when BTC-TC got shaken down by the SEC, screwed out of funds by creativex when he disappeared with investor funds from our mining operation bASIC Mining, screwed by ASICMiner (friedcat) when they went tits up and he disappeared after moving the shares from BTC-TC to Havelock Investments, slightly screwed over by AMHash (which may or may not have been mining at all), nearly screwed by Cryptsy though I never kept much on there as it was only used for exchanging my mined altcoin for Bitcoin, I had set up an account on GOX but never put money or coins in it fortunately, I've even been screwed on a coffee purchase using Bitcoin here on the forum.  Fuck.  Any normal person probably would have quit Bitcoin by now but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

 I know you like percentages JJG so I'll give you two.  My CAD on deposit with QuadrigaCX (which I stand to lose) is ~300% of my total investment in Bitcoin or ~7% of the money I spent on cigarettes when I was young(er) and foolish(er).
 

jeez not the most of luck you had have ......

some good on the post = cigarettes when<------

quitting that is a huge succes

 I also have a lot of good luck.  Just last week at lunch on my night shift, I was way behind in a cribbage game; I needed 26 points to go out and I counted first.  Usually that's game over but I held a pair of 4's, a pair of 6's and cut a 5!  Pegged a few points and game over.  I took my one dollar winnings to the social club subsidized pop machine and out popped two coke zeros for the price of one!  On the way back to the table to share my bounty I found a dime on the floor.  Life is good.

[gentlemand]

some good on the post = cigarettes when<------

quitting that is a huge succes

I massively regret quitting smoking.

It's been 18 months now. There have been absolutely no health benefits, none. No difference in taste or smell, my breathing is exactly the same. What is different is that it has completely fucked my brain. I have a fraction of the concentration I used to have and even when I do concentrate I make mistakes in a way I never used to. I would start again but I doubt it's going to repair my mind so I have to pay small Filipinos to come in and brush my teeth these days.

[micgoossens]

^^
haha LoL XhomerX lucky bastard that you are !!

[infofront]

The only thing that really extends life a significant amount is fasting.  You can take any living creature and restrict the amount of calories it intakes and it will live much longer.

I am solely interested in things that extend youth and middle age - which would be tricky without a black hole- not the utter horror and drudgery that comes after that. I'd rather be fat and dead than stringing out another 20 years of staring into the abyss on my bony buttocks.

The thing is, if you could preserve your crusty old ass for another 20 years, they may have viable age reversal methods by then.

[jojo69]

Sorry to hear about your loss xhomerx and Dabs.

I am still waiting for my GOX compensation but there's always hope.

hey, about that

Did I read something recently that we have to re-submit our claims?  Anybody got the facts on this?