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Question: Closing BTC Price June 28:
$0 - 5 (3.1%)
<$7,000 - 4 (2.5%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 0 (0%)
$7,500-$7,999 - 0 (0%)
$8,000-$8,499 - 1 (0.6%)
$8,500-$8,999 - 3 (1.9%)
$9,000-$9,499 - 4 (2.5%)
$9,500-$9,999 - 27 (16.9%)
$10,000-$10,499 - 24 (15%)
$10,500-10,999 - 12 (7.5%)
$11,000-$11,499 - 14 (8.8%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 15 (9.4%)
>$12,000 - 38 (23.8%)
>$20,000 - 13 (8.1%)
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February 17, 2019, 04:27:07 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.

Any new research about body transplants of genetical clones? THAT would be the way to go.

Maybe something already achieved in animals/rats?
There was a plan for the first ever human head transplant a year or so ago. But I don't think anything came from that, so I'm not sure if that actually happened or got delayed.

There are a few different paths to this problem.

One would be to continuously repair the effects of aging. And the other would be to stop aging entirely.

The ways to achieve either of these include replacing the human body entirely (with a cloned biological body, artificial physical body, digital/mind upload), repairing the human body by reversing the effects of aging, or halting the effects of aging altogether.

There is progress happening on all of these fronts.

We have cloned organs, cloned animals. [Potential biological body replacements]

Artificial limbs that can be mind controlled with actual sensorial feedback. [Artificial body replacements]

Mind control of artificial and digital objects. [Mind upload]

Different approaches with cells (senescent cells and senolytic drugs), genes (Crispr), blood shown to reverse some effects of aging in rats. [Reversing/halting the effects on a biological level]


As time goes by these will become more sophisticated and probably result in multi-lateral approaches to dealing with aging. So far they're baby steps, but they're bound to compound exponentially over time. With more progress there comes more funding, with more funding more progress. Same old feedback loop.
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February 17, 2019, 04:28:50 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.
It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy.
What evidence do you have to make such claim? I've found none.

Unless you'd like to revise your statement to "you can't currently revive frozen humans".
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February 17, 2019, 04:29:58 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.
It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy.
What qualifications do you have to make such claim? I've found no evidence for it.

Unless you'd like to revise your statement to "you can't currently revive frozen humans".
Water turns into ice when it freezes.

Yes that is all there is to be said on the topic. Don't even bother.
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February 17, 2019, 04:30:18 PM

All these billionaires but barely anyone is investing in life extending technology.  Those billions did Steve Jobs really good, he could of saved his own life by investing earlier but didn't.

You can extend your life by yourself for free.

If you eat healthy food, avoid smoking&alcohol, do exercises, use condoms etc... I am sure you can extend your life at least 5 years. I did some of those harmful stuff in the past and I stopped doing some of them like smoking.

Sure you'll never know when a cancer is going to occupy your anus but you can reduce chances.

I recently watched a doctor on TV and he was saying that people have many diseases like cancer since the day they were born. This is in your DNA. The cancer develops slowly through the years but it is your actions which make it visible (or develop faster) before the day it was going to.

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February 17, 2019, 04:31:57 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.
It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy.
What qualifications do you have to make such claim? I've found no evidence for it.

Unless you'd like to revise your statement to "you can't currently revive frozen humans".
Water turns into ice when it freezes.

Yes that is all there is to be said on the topic. Don't even bother.
Non-argument. Assumes that damage won't be repairable in the future based on incomplete knowledge of pretty much everything.
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February 17, 2019, 04:32:59 PM
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Bit worried about the Mayor and Quadrigacx

Oh yeah... hadn't thought about that possible connection.

By the way, it is funny that we have not had many members of this thread asserting that they lost money in Quadrigacx.

 Somehow I feel goaded into a reply:

 There's nothing funny about it and we won't be certain how much money we have lost (assertions will be difficult) until the legal process is complete and from my perspective it is mildly embarrassing - I can only imagine how others feel.  There is a modicum of hope that some money will be recovered though with all the lawyers and bean-counters involved, any amounts of cash and/or coin recovered is dwindling as they take their pound of flesh for services rendered.  I stand to lose some (or all) of the CAD I have on the QuadrigaCX exchange but thanks to jbreher for reminding me about the proof of keys, I transferred the Bitcoin held on QuadrigaCX back to my local wallets on Dec. 31st.

 It's disheartening but nothing new in Bitcoin.  I've been screwed by Butterfly Labs on ASIC purchases, screwed by KNC miner who had my money for nearly a year without delivering my mining device or refunding my money(Bitcoin), I've been screwed out of funds when BTC-TC got shaken down by the SEC, screwed out of funds by creativex when he disappeared with investor funds from our mining operation bASIC Mining, screwed by ASICMiner (friedcat) when they went tits up and he disappeared after moving the shares from BTC-TC to Havelock Investments, slightly screwed over by AMHash (which may or may not have been mining at all), nearly screwed by Cryptsy though I never kept much on there as it was only used for exchanging my mined altcoin for Bitcoin, I had set up an account on GOX but never put money or coins in it fortunately, I've even been screwed on a coffee purchase using Bitcoin here on the forum.  Fuck.  Any normal person probably would have quit Bitcoin by now but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

 I know you like percentages JJG so I'll give you two.  My CAD on deposit with QuadrigaCX (which I stand to lose) is ~300% of my total investment in Bitcoin or ~7% of the money I spent on cigarettes when I was young(er) and foolish(er).
 
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February 17, 2019, 04:33:14 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.

Any new research about body transplants of genetical clones? THAT would be the way to go.

Maybe something already achieved in animals/rats?
There was a plan for the first ever human head transplant a year or so ago. But I don't think anything came from that, so I'm not sure if that actually happened or got delayed.

There are a few different paths to this problem.

One would be to continuously repair the effects of aging. And the other would be to stop aging entirely.

The ways to achieve either of these include replacing the human body entirely (with a cloned biological body, artificial physical body, digital/mind upload), repairing the human body by reversing the effects of aging, or halting the effects of aging altogether.

There is progress happening on all of these fronts.

We have cloned organs, cloned animals. [Potential biological body replacements]

Artificial limbs that can be mind controlled with actual sensorial feedback. [Artificial body replacements]

Mind control of artificial and digital objects. [Mind upload]

Different approaches with cells (senescent cells and senolytic drugs), genes (Crispr), blood shown to reverse some effects of aging in rats. [Reversing/halting the effects on a biological level]


As time goes by these will become more sophisticated and probably result in multi-lateral approaches to dealing with aging. So far they're baby steps, but they're bound to compound exponentially over time. With more progress there comes more funding, with more funding more progress. Same old feedback loop.

Actually age is degradation in the cells.

When you are younger they regenerate fine.

The challenge is to halt or reverse this degradation.

I believe there are current successful studies, stimulating the repair function back into order.



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February 17, 2019, 04:36:58 PM

Actually age is degradation in the cells.

When you are younger they regenerate fine.

The challenge is to halt or reverse this degradation.

I believe there are current successful studies, stimulating the repair function back into order.




That's the whole "senescent cells" approach. Basically tries to kill senescent cells (cells that stop dividing) which accumulate with age. Human trials are starting this year by the way.
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February 17, 2019, 04:39:37 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.

Any new research about body transplants of genetical clones? THAT would be the way to go.

Maybe something already achieved in animals/rats?
There was a plan for the first ever human head transplant a year or so ago. But I don't think anything came from that, so I'm not sure if that actually happened or got delayed.

There are a few different paths to this problem.

One would be to continuously repair the effects of aging. And the other would be to stop aging entirely.

The ways to achieve either of these include replacing the human body entirely (with a cloned biological body, artificial physical body, digital/mind upload), repairing the human body by reversing the effects of aging, or halting the effects of aging altogether.

There is progress happening on all of these fronts.

We have cloned organs, cloned animals. [Potential biological body replacements]

Artificial limbs that can be mind controlled with actual sensorial feedback. [Artificial body replacements]

Mind control of artificial and digital objects. [Mind upload]

Different approaches with cells (senescent cells and senolytic drugs), genes (Crispr), blood shown to reverse some effects of aging in rats. [Reversing/halting the effects on a biological level]


As time goes by these will become more sophisticated and probably result in multi-lateral approaches to dealing with aging. So far they're baby steps, but they're bound to compound exponentially over time. With more progress there comes more funding, with more funding more progress. Same old feedback loop.

The problem with the full body transplant is mainly making the neural reconnections. Once that solved most the way ahead is clear. Nanotech, microsurgery, automation, etc... advances in those fields maybe could lead to that. But I thought maybe some "crude" experiment with moderate success could have already been made in animals. It seems not.

Digital mind/upload is another way I don't think is viable as a life extending alternative. I mean, you could end with a similar person but it would just be a copy, not me, not my conscience of being me.... if it was even possible anyways.

Reversing/halting the effects of aging also sound like sci-fi at this time. More so the reversing part of it.

It's the full body transplant the only thing I could consider viable even if the tech to carry it is still way far.
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February 17, 2019, 04:42:32 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.
It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy.
What qualifications do you have to make such claim? I've found no evidence for it.

Unless you'd like to revise your statement to "you can't currently revive frozen humans".
Water turns into ice when it freezes.

Yes that is all there is to be said on the topic. Don't even bother.
Non-argument. Assumes that damage won't be repairable in the future based on incomplete knowledge of pretty much everything.

The damage is too much. We are talking about irreparable "data-loss" damage here. You can't repair what is already gone. In the future, you could probably farm a genetical clone from the available DNA but the brain is fucked up.
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February 17, 2019, 04:43:15 PM

Have any of you been under the gentle care of the medical system in the past few years, incidentally?
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The only thing that really extends life a significant amount is fasting.  You can take any living creature and restrict the amount of calories it intakes and it will live much longer.
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February 17, 2019, 04:45:49 PM

Oh Homer you poor old sausage. Very sad to hear that. Stay with us and we will keep you busy. But what a fucking thing.
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The only thing that really extends life a significant amount is fasting.  You can take any living creature and restrict the amount of calories it intakes and it will live much longer.

 I read about this recently.  Apparently fasting gives the body a boost in immune response and increase in growth hormone production.
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Cheeky bastards have got me in a guillotine mood.

Stand aside Maximilien, let me show you how it's fucking done.

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February 17, 2019, 04:48:15 PM

Again I was looking at random btc addresses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1Cp18yeabUg14CNp2HGwKisDoixiGgzmeT

Poor bastard probably dumped last of his bitcoins (18k) when he saw $0.32. Made himself a juicy $35k by selling 26750 coins. (96 Millions fucking DOllars today)

You can probably buy yourself a live forever upgrade with that amount nowadays.

Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ...
Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years.
I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now.
There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago.

The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish.

Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there.

tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging.

I'm really interested but I think the "best" thing so far is Rapamycine and that is highly experimental, only tested on mice and its unknown why it works.

I've been looking at this at least yearly for a decade and its a strong desire of mine as I consider human lives crazy short (plus I want to see the future, living is the only time machine likely feasible in our universe).

If you have better/more info available I'm very interested. Links are perfectly fine too.

Thanks! Smiley
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The problem with the full body transplant is mainly making the neural reconnections. Once that solved most the way ahead is clear. Nanotech, microsurgery, automation, etc... advances in those fields maybe could lead to that. But I thought maybe some "crude" experiment with moderate success could have already been made in animals. It seems not.

Digital mind/upload is another way I don't think is viable as a life extending alternative. I mean, you could end with a similar person but it would just be a copy, not me, not my conscience of being me.... if it was even possible anyways.

Reversing/halting the effects of aging also sound like sci-fi at this time. More so the reversing part of it.

It's the full body transplant the only thing I could consider viable even if the tech to carry it is still way far.

There are artificial limbs (arms with hands and fingers) that were successfully attached to amputees. They were connected to the nerves of the patient, which was then able to use the arm as his own while also being able to feel things with it. So we already have this demonstrated not in animals, but in humans. The reason this is moving so slowly is because you can't just walk around attaching heads to bodies.

I don't see why the digital presence should not be you, as long as the connection is established properly (rather than just copying your memories onto a computer).

But there is a simple solution to this problem.

You create an interface with which you are simultaneously aware of your physical body and digital presence. Add a function that allows you to temporarily enable and disable either presence while keeping your consciousness. That way you can test for yourself if the digital version of you is still "you". Depending on the results of this you can choose yourself what you want to do.


May sound sci-fi, but is not. It's reality and has been demonstrated in rats and more primitive animals. Life-spans have been extended quite significantly in those and clinical human trials started this year. The problem with human trials is that, well, it kind of takes a lifetime to get one data point.

Full body transplant is the one that seems the most bothersome to me. At least for life extension purposes. This seems more like a "get a resilient body that won't get smashed in a car accident" kind of thing. It'd also probably be quite cumbersome to shit billions and billions and billions of human bodies for replacements.
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February 17, 2019, 04:51:15 PM

It is your memory which makes you "you". So as long as your memory lives, you live. Whether it lives on a computer or on a living body doesn't matter.

As long as you still remember certain events happened in your life, that's you.
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February 17, 2019, 04:52:29 PM

Oh Homer you poor old sausage. Very sad to hear that. Stay with us and we will keep you busy. But what a fucking thing.

  Thanks V8 Wink  Fortunately, I didn't quit my day-job (well I work shift... but you know what I mean) and soon I will qualify for discount meals at the local senior center.  Wednesday is roast beef dinner day - currently only CAD $5.84 with a beverage (non-alcoholic).
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February 17, 2019, 04:53:06 PM

It'd also probably be quite cumbersome to shit billions and billions and billions of human bodies for replacements.

I think I may have stumbled on a ready source of headless bodies...see above.
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