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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
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$85K to $90K - 10 (8.3%)
$90K to $95K - 15 (12.4%)
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May 13, 2020, 02:05:07 PM

I know we don't tend to discuss alts but I had reason to click on the Doge chart. Something fishy

I had to rub my eyes? I cant help thinking this looks a bit weird




What is that? bots?

Anyone know?
It's because the price is so low per unit (expressed in BTC), that each minimal price difference is now like a 4% price jump.  The exchange only allows a certain amount of digits after the decimal point.
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May 13, 2020, 02:10:31 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Back up over $9k... currently $9125USD/$12800CAD (Bitcoinaverage).



Go Bitcoin go.

What's the way to end up with a small fortune in the music business?

Be an early adopter of Bitcoin and don't sell.

As previously mentioned, that's only the money part of being rich. The other part takes a lifetime.
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Till then i am keeping my head down and stacking Sats.

You can hardly go wrong with that strategy during our current times because we have NOT quite reached "face-melting" tm - (attributed to Hyperjacked) BTC price movements
Yeah, repeating this simple mantra for quite some time now. but i might need some planning once we cross $15k-20k mark because my bigger share of salary comes in BTC so obviously i can't afford volatility at that stage.

The variables likely ONLY change a bit when you earn money in BTC rather than earning in fiat.  Expenses and preparations still need to account for the likelihood that your expenses are likely being calculated in terms of fiat, and probably, I will venture to guess, the amount that you are paid in BTC is likely calculated in terms of its fiat value (you can correct me if I am wrong with my guess).

Frequently, someone who is paid in BTC is going to be selling on a regular basis and sometimes even forced to sell at times that s/he does not want to, and probably there are some ways to attempt to give yourself enough of a cushion in order to cause yourself more latitude in the when to sell matter than what you would have if you did not plan sufficiently, which is largely a matter of attempting to project out your cashflow needs far enough into the future and attempting to account for possible emergencies and things like that, too.

You do have many advantages that's why i am the one asking the questions and you are answering them as best as you can so no contest here.  

Yeah based on fiat value.. 60%-80% payment comes in btc depending on the different contracts/clients. So far I never felt cashing out my BTC salary, except 2-3 times, Profit-lose swings both ways continuously due to volatility but i don't trade so its automatically goes into my Hodl stash and i don't care much about when BTC goes down 1k or something as its temporary IMO . Rest of the remaining fiat salary is enough to get things going irl because i have virtually 0 debt and i try to avoid spending money on unnecessary stuff so it helps my cause in some extent.  

Will revise my strategy after BTC cross $15-$20k and i am sure things might change drastically once i get married or when babies comes.
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May 13, 2020, 02:12:36 PM

For contrast a normal chart in my eyes

It's the very low value difference AND ... you are on hourly for DOGE instead of your usual daily.
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May 13, 2020, 02:24:34 PM

Still there were many candles not just dead water.

Anyway thanks for the answers
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https://twitter.com/blockfolio/status/1260570263277707266?s=21
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May 13, 2020, 03:34:30 PM

Keep fucking stacking

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If all 21 million #Bitcoin  were to be distributed equally, each person on Earth would get only 0.0027 BTC.
https://twitter.com/bitcoinbudgie/status/1260547480195944448?s=21


(It’s actually less because about 4 million BTC are lost or unattainable)

Even less, 'cause I ain't giving mine!
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May 13, 2020, 03:43:40 PM

Tether is the weakest link and a prime target, so it's not a matter of if Tether will go down but a matter of when...

Let me, for a second, go along with your presumption that bitcoin is vulnerable to losing value because tether is propping up its price too much by causing more liquidity than what would otherwise be present.
 That is a pretty BIG presumption.. but let's just accept such presumption as a given.

Then...

What if Tether goes down in 50 years?  Why the fuck should we care?

Let's make it a shorter period of time.  What if it goes down in 10 years?  That is still pretty far into the future too.

No, no, no... you are presuming Tethers impeding death... because regulators have been going after it for years and years... therefore, it must be impending to die sooner than 50 years, right?

It could go any minute, right?

That's what she said.

Tether goes down? surely people will be scrambling to get out of it? where could they move to?

Can you tether to usd ? I thought that was the point, the places didn't have USD?

Of course, everyone who uses exchanges should keep in mind how much of their BTC value they are keeping on exchanges, and we likely should not be paying too much attention to anyone who is proclaiming that exchanges should not exist at all, because that is not the world in which we live, and there surely is a lot of needs for price discovery and the providing of liquidity.  When there are exchanges there are third party risks, and if various governments are making barriers to on and off ramps, then what the fuck are we going to expect?  Differing avenues to move around value, and tether is merely one of those avenues, and of course it has some third party risk, too.

If any of us are on exchanges or using exchanges, then we have to expect that some of them are dealing with tether.  Some of them are also engaging in various kinds of fractional reserve practices too.  I hardly expect that CME or CBOE or any of those other traditional financial institutions that are coming into the BTC space are really going to be backing up their claims to BTC, and we are going to see, at some point, if some of them end up getting caught with their pants down from time to time based on the much easier ways to claim possession of BTC as compared to their other paperized assets that they inflate the fuck out of to their own manipulative benefits. 

So, sure there is systemic risk and there is also personal risk in terms of personally holding tether, and I remain doubtful if tether is any more risky than a lot of the other shenanigans going on in various aspects trading any asset, whether we are referring to traditional assets, the crypto space or bitcoin specifically.  So personally, either you can choose NOT to deal with those particular exchanges that use tether or you can account for the possible risk of tether going down, which I have already suggested is likely to be exaggerated way more than the actual amount of risk that tether poses, relatively speaking, just as the tether FUD has been exaggerated for the past 5 years or so. 
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May 13, 2020, 03:45:45 PM

Keep fucking stacking

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If all 21 million #Bitcoin  were to be distributed equally, each person on Earth would get only 0.0027 BTC.
https://twitter.com/bitcoinbudgie/status/1260547480195944448?s=21


(It’s actually less because about 4 million BTC are lost or unattainable)

Even less, 'cause I ain't giving mine!

Same here... Just wondering how many BTC (approximately) belong to the HODLers and are off market. Cool
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If you think about it, that may be the point.

How many databases won't work (accept) with this name in it? Wink


I think I'll name my next kid "DataMine-This..!@-B1tch".
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May 13, 2020, 03:56:13 PM

I rarely make posts in WO but today let me take one post to show you that interesting thread. Top-10 mining pools on bitcoin network over years (2009 - May 2020). In order to avoid clogging up the WO thread, this page in particular, I only give link. So if you are interested, please visit my thread.  Cheesy


Here is a minor disclosure
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Completely worthless metric.
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May 13, 2020, 04:07:45 PM

Got a really shity week, thing always going on the bad direction in group of at least five, as a bonus didn't closed some open positions on time. I don't use the stop-loss anyway, only alarms coz the market is too dynamic. Anyway, lesson learned, don't give your phone to the kids when you have an open position without stop-loss. Finally a break over 9k is a positive movement. Hope that with the black serie is over now and more sunny days are on it's way, literally Smiley
Sorry for the distraction... Btc over 9k, Woohoo Smiley

You should not be betting against the corn anyhow... ... except maybe just as a small hedge.. but not anything that is gonna break the bank... and yeah, probably, like you mentioned, the employment of stop loss would be a good idea if you venture in the direction of betting against the corn.
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May 13, 2020, 04:13:31 PM

I know we don't tend to discuss alts but I had reason to click on the Doge chart. Something fishy

I had to rub my eyes? I cant help thinking this looks a bit weird




What is that? bots?

Anyone know?

Looks like a cute lil doggie, to me.  But what do I know?

Woof!!  Woof!!!

Or is it Wow, Wow.
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Completely worthless metric.

The Lubian thing was kinda interesting.
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Good evening WO!
Observing @ $9,107
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Till then i am keeping my head down and stacking Sats.

You can hardly go wrong with that strategy during our current times because we have NOT quite reached "face-melting" tm - (attributed to Hyperjacked) BTC price movements
Yeah, repeating this simple mantra for quite some time now. but i might need some planning once we cross $15k-20k mark because my bigger share of salary comes in BTC so obviously i can't afford volatility at that stage.

The variables likely ONLY change a bit when you earn money in BTC rather than earning in fiat.  Expenses and preparations still need to account for the likelihood that your expenses are likely being calculated in terms of fiat, and probably, I will venture to guess, the amount that you are paid in BTC is likely calculated in terms of its fiat value (you can correct me if I am wrong with my guess).

Frequently, someone who is paid in BTC is going to be selling on a regular basis and sometimes even forced to sell at times that s/he does not want to, and probably there are some ways to attempt to give yourself enough of a cushion in order to cause yourself more latitude in the when to sell matter than what you would have if you did not plan sufficiently, which is largely a matter of attempting to project out your cashflow needs far enough into the future and attempting to account for possible emergencies and things like that, too.

You do have many advantages that's why i am the one asking the questions and you are answering them as best as you can so no contest here.  

After I posted, I was kind of second-guessing whether I should have gone down that line of thought in terms of attempting to make some speculative comparisons because it is so difficult to extrapolate and compare because I even question how I would have handled myself if I had exposure to bitcoin in my earlier days of building various aspects of my investment portfolio, and on an ongoing basis there are going to be temptations to pull out some of the value along the way... and so maybe I am even thinking that I might have been too scared to have been in bitcoin in any kind of meaningful way in my earlier investment years.... so it is so difficult to extrapolate to the 80s and 90s in comparison to what are today's options.


Yeah based on fiat value.. 60%-80% payment comes in btc depending on the different contracts/clients. So far I never felt cashing out my BTC salary, except 2-3 times, Profit-lose swings both ways continuously due to volatility but i don't trade so its automatically goes into my Hodl stash and i don't care much about when BTC goes down 1k or something as its temporary IMO .

During my building of my investment formative years, which was largely in the late 80s and through the 90s, I feel that I never really invested more than 10% of my overall cashflow into various investments, but I continued to make those kinds of investments steadily, even when i started with some mediocre jobs during that time, and even when I went to college and used some of my interest-free student loans to build investment practices, I largely stuck with about 10% of my cashflow that was dedicated to investment, but some of that cashflow involved leveraging debt.  

Seems that I did not really go beyond 10% until I landed a fairly decent job, after quite a bit of college, and then at that point, I could dedicate more cashflow towards investing that maybe lasted a bit over 12 years.. and maybe there were periods that I invested 30% of my cashflow into various investments... so it seems that I never got anywhere near 60% that I allocated towards investing, and I can hardly even imagine investing 80% of my cashflow... gosh I feel like I must have been lacking a lot of discipline compared to you, JSRAW.

There seems to be quite a bit of luxury for anyone who is able to allocate more than 10% of their cashflow towards investing and to still be able to fill comfortable living within their means... and I feel fortunate for the years that I perceive that I was able to stack decently high amounts of value when I was stacking within the 10% to 30% range, even though that period did not last a very long time, it did cause me to generate what I felt was relatively a lot of capital during that time.


Rest of the remaining fiat salary is enough to get things going irl because i have virtually 0 debt and i try to avoid spending money on unnecessary stuff so it helps my cause in some extent.  

Of course, living within your means remains important, and I have always had access to a decent amount of debt that I could draw from and to circulate for my investments, and perhaps that could have been a bad practice for me to be using debt; however, I doubt that I could have landed high paying jobs without my education debt, and then even when I had jobs, I still would leverage some of my investments with debt, and frequently, the servicing of the debts were NOT very bad, so I am NOT sure in the end whether i could have reached as high of levels of capital accumulation if I had not been given access to very cheap debt.  

Even now, I still circulate debt in my cashflow, and the amount of the debt that I circulate has remained fairly constant through my BTC investment, and maybe in 2013, it was around 3% of my networth, and probably currently my circulating debt is around 1% of my networth.  The value of the debt is so much reduced because BTC has brought up my networth so much, but I still continue to leverage and employ debt as an investment vehicle.... Seems to give me more options, even though there can be some burdens in managing it, too.

I think one of the things that saved me with the use of debt is that I largely have been attempting to use it to attempt to multiply value by using it largely for investing, and I tended to hold back on a lot of my consumption items - at least living well within my means, so by the time my interest in bitcoin came along in late 2013, I had accumulated pretty decently large stashs of wealth that I could dedicate and reallocate into bitcoin at that point.

By the way, I had some investments that did not go very well, too, so looking back at some of my investment history and my use of debt was probably like trying to learn various money management techniques, and just causing me to continue to think that I have so many difficulties considering how much I would have been willing to put into bitcoin at earlier stages of my investment life and how the availability of something like bitcoin would have worked out for me, if I had gotten involved in such an investment - which also does reinforce my ideas that aiming for 1-10% investment into bitcoin continues to be prudent... but then continuing to DCA a decent percentage into bitcoin seems to be great too when anyone is in his/her portfolio value accumulation phase.


Will revise my strategy after BTC cross $15-$20k and i am sure things might change drastically once i get married or when babies comes.

Overall, it seems that your percentage of your cashflow going into BTC does seem to be quite high, but so long as you feel that you can cover your remaining living and emergency expenses with whatever fiat that you have coming in, then I suppose that those systems will serve you decently well, too.

Of course, baby and wifey are likely to cause additional expenses.. and also maybe some changes in your allocation and even investment opportunities... but sounds like you are, at least, attempting to engage with your situation and to plan ahead.... but a similar thing was going on with mindrust, too.   At several points he had said that he was putting so damned much of his total percentage into BTC (it was like 40% without any other investments), so part of an anticipated problem can come if the BTC price moves against you when you start to have so much value in one asset or a narrow set of assets, and then you see so much loss of value on paper if the price moves against you.. or even the BTC price might fail/refuse to rally.. so then you have to account for those possibilities too.. which might just mean, NOT investing so much into BTC and just letting what you have already invested ride while you just make sure that you have plenty on your fiat side to ride through the various waves including any emergencies that might come, too.

Surely, it is good to hear about differing perspectives and approaches, and I like the idea of changed dynamic with zero debt, because it is likely a bit more straight forward, and surely bitcoin still seems to serve as a kind of asymmetric bet, so it is not exactly necessary to use any debt or leverage and still to be able to potentially profit stupendously by merely ongoingly stacking sats within an ongoing reasonable budget.  
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