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Anyone advocating for more taxes has been watching too much MSNBC. It's not about feeling sympathy for people who have billions, it's about people thinking the government is their daddy.

Do you think billionaires are swimming around in a pool of gold coins or pallets of $100s? Nearly all of the wealth that people are complaining about is on paper. Jeff Bezos owns a bunch of Amazon shares. If you raise the capital gains tax, he'll just never sell those shares. If the capital gains tax was lowered however, he might sell those shares and invest that money in some other endeavor which could create millions of new jobs. I'm betting the guy who created Amazon is a lot smarter than anyone in the government.

Nearly all the wealth in the world is invested in companies and profits are reinvested in other companies to create more and more jobs. Taxes stifle growth. All taxes are a deterrent to economic activity.

The Government is not your baby daddy and the more money the government takes, the less economic activity, jobs etc.



Anyone advocating too little taxes on extreme wealth is a puppet for extremely wealthy people.

I mean seriously. Look at the common good. Be a patriot. Care for your fellow countrymen.

Also this trickle down shit has been debunked for ages.


I would rather allow a homeless person live in my house than trust the government to decide how to spend my hard earned money.
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2) A Turkish prison is not a good place to be


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Who are you? Why you edit quotes to my message to make them look I posted that shit?
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April 23, 2021, 11:44:09 PM

This is the wall observer thread, not the Bolshevik agitator one. I suggest giving Reddit a try.

Daily reminder that Bolshevism is a bankers’ scheme to trick poor people into begging for slavery, whilst giving emotionally oversensitive bourgeois pseudointellectuals (e.g., Redditors) a dose of feel-good “empathizing” with the working class whom they secretly hate.
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Definitely think this (hopefully temporary) dip has highlighted the somewhat overzealous predictions of late. Some of the alt predictions that were thrown around especially were crazy. Some of those alts have literally dropped right back down to lower than they were 3 years ago.  Shocked

With regards to king Bitcoin, I can definitely see a 75K and hopefully a 100K bitcoin later this year. Maybe more.
But 288K or 500K within the year? I doubt it. The 50K and 60K markers just seemed to have been too much of a struggle to quickly get over for something like that I think.

Obviously the long term trend is going up but we are literally at mid Feb prices again and that is with 2 months of quite bullish news.

I hope we continue to follow the Stock 2 flow Plan B model but honestly I'd just be happy if we can reach the likes of 250K-500K by say 2028-2029.
I think eventually his model will fail as it seems too good to be true.

If Saylor and Musk hadn't come along that model would probably already be out of the window by now. That's not to say Bitcoin doesn't go up and the longterm isn't bullish, it's just I think there are several coincidences that sometimes make it appear why a specific model works.

I hope I'm wrong though.

You likely are wrong, and I am not even saying that we need to have a higher top or that anything like a higher top or even a top above $65k is guaranteed because we should all realize that nothing is guaranteed in bitcoinlandia..

Stock to flow is merely a model, and tops may or may not deviate from the projections of such model, and might even deviate considerably without even breaking the model, and so many folks like to speculate about the model breaking, when it can just be adjusted to account for the new data.

  Furthermore, any deviation from the model's trajectories could be to the downside or to the upside, and merely because we have had a wee bit of problemas getting above $50k and $60k hardly is even a blip on the radar or hardly even worth writing home about of supposedly hindering the upside potential of $288k to $500k or the overshooting possibilities of $600k to $1.5 million.. and I am not even saying that any of this is going to happen with any certainty, just saying it is still considerably in the cards for these considerable upsides to happen and even in this particular cycle.

Even if maybe PlanB might be marketing his stock to flow model a bit much and even making some dumb (overly bullish) statements in regards to his model, bitcoin gives hardly no shits about his marketing, his statements or even how eerily accurate his model continues to be in spite of his seemingly ongoingly talking it up.

Definitely think this (hopefully temporary) dip has highlighted the somewhat overzealous predictions of late. Some of the alt predictions that were thrown around especially were crazy. Some of those alts have literally dropped right back down to lower than they were 3 years ago.  Shocked

With regards to king Bitcoin, I can definitely see a 75K and hopefully a 100K bitcoin later this year. Maybe more.
But 288K or 500K within the year? I doubt it. The 50K and 60K markers just seemed to have been too much of a struggle to quickly get over for something like that I think.

Obviously the long term trend is going up but we are literally at mid Feb prices again and that is with 2 months of quite bullish news.

I hope we continue to follow the Stock 2 flow Plan B model but honestly I'd just be happy if we can reach the likes of 250K-500K by say 2028-2029.
I think eventually his model will fail as it seems too good to be true.

If Saylor and Musk hadn't come along that model would probably already be out of the window by now. That's not to say Bitcoin doesn't go up and the longterm isn't bullish, it's just I think there are several coincidences that sometimes make it appear why a specific model works.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Plan C: a spring-early summer dip (not lower than 40K), slight upward starting in Aug (EDIT: maybe July?), bull restarting in Sept, accelerating into NOv ETF approval.
Bull culmination in Dec 2021-march 2022 at $150-300K

Even this seemingly SOMA scenario (of a double top and surely ongoingly refined by you Biodom) is not even close to being contrary to the stock to flow model..  and sure, sounds like a possibility that could happen, possibly.
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Anyone advocating for more taxes has been watching too much MSNBC. It's not about feeling sympathy for people who have billions, it's about people thinking the government is their daddy.

Do you think billionaires are swimming around in a pool of gold coins or pallets of $100s? Nearly all of the wealth that people are complaining about is on paper. Jeff Bezos owns a bunch of Amazon shares. If you raise the capital gains tax, he'll just never sell those shares. If the capital gains tax was lowered however, he might sell those shares and invest that money in some other endeavor which could create millions of new jobs. I'm betting the guy who created Amazon is a lot smarter than anyone in the government.

Nearly all the wealth in the world is invested in companies and profits are reinvested in other companies to create more and more jobs. Taxes stifle growth. All taxes are a deterrent to economic activity.

The Government is not your baby daddy and the more money the government takes, the less economic activity, jobs etc.



That is not correct.

Remove all bridges and roads in all countries. Let me know which is harder on economy  no roads no bridges
no canals. Or taxes that build roads bridges and canals such as the panama and the suez.

The correct statement is many taxes are ill conceived and they can hurt the economy.




The bridge/underwater car and train tunnel between Malmö and Copenhagen cost absolutely nothing for the taxpayers, it's all funded by loans that's paid of by a bridge toll, and that even includes a brand new artificial island.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96resundsf%C3%B6rbindelsen#Finansiering_och_%C3%A4garskap

No English text unfortunately, there's a German site though for the speakers of said language.

But a nice picture I provide can.



And a train drivers view, starting with arriving at Malmö C and going underground Malmö with stop at two stations and then surfacing before entering the bridge and going on to Denmark.
I sometimes like to watch train driver view films just as a relaxation and this is one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_BlE4DxcA
You don't need taxes to build infrastructure.


Ahh the 108€ ($130) round trip toll bridge. Minimum wage worker in USA ($7.25/hr) would have to work over 2 days full time (17.9hrs) just for the privilege to drive across it. But if they buy online they can save 8€!
https://www.oresundsbron.com/en/prices
Should get one going to my house so those poor plebs don't come visiting! 'murika!

That's for one trip, if you go more frequently it gets cheaper. Or you could just take the train, 12 euro/ 14 bucks That's just two hours of work, you can probably manage.
And it's not like it was free before the bridge was built. The ferry wasn't exactly cheap for cars.

https://www.omio.se/search-frontend/results/E8D6B39040E2E499DAD0E5494D5DB4B86/train?locale=sv

The bridge have increased the traffic fivefold and cut the traveltime not to mention the goods that can now go by train between the countries with all the benefits to the economy that brings.
And lastly, it's in my book just fair that the people who uses the bridge pay for the bridge. Why should the taxpayer collective in Denmark and Sweden pay for that?

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I don't understand this.  Rather than pay a (yet to be proposed) higher capital gains tax, Americans would pull their money out of the markets right now and put it into what?  Is the plan to make no capital gains in the future?!

 

Speaking of yesterday's dump, I don't think it's the Biden tax thing, they would be fools to sell in unison. What kind of a dork would "take profit" selling at 53k and below?

There are the usual valid reasons: futures expiring, Coinbase fuckery, China energy crisis, Turkish exchange exit scam. A tax thing might add to the trend; not generate impulse events such as this. I personally think it's just whales front running a breakout to the mid 70's. The dumps are obviously timed and intentionally designed to inflict max pain.

I personally think it's arbitrage: short futures vs long spot. If I were doing that, I'd prefer the futures (number) to go down rather than up - profit in btc, and the long spot part I could keep in btc for the next rinse&repeat. If it goes the other way (if number go up), you still make the same $ amount, but you've gotta sell the btc you bought (longed) on spot, so in a btc sense you're poorer.

Q: Is this a double top like in some previous cycle?
(som)A: IT might be similar or not, but this ISN'T the top.

F'ing dumpers.
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Giant, likely insurmountable sell wall on Bitstamp. Looks like another humiliating leg down is eminent.
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10 friends go out every day for dinner. The bill would be SEK 1,000. The bill was divided in the same way that taxes are paid. The first four - (the poorest) pay nothing; - the 5th pays SEK 10 - the 6th pays SEK 30 - the 7th SEK 70 - the 8th SEK 120 - the 9th SEK 180 - The 10th person (the richest) pays SEK 590.
The ten friends ate dinner at the restaurant every day, happy with the deal. Until one day, when the owner of the restaurant gave them a discount. “You are such good customers. I give you SEK 200 off your dinners. ” Dinner for 10 people now costs SEK 800.

They still wanted to pay for the dinner the way taxes are paid in Sweden. The first four people were not affected. They were allowed to continue eating for free. But what would the other 6 do - those who paid? How would they divide the discount of SEK 200 so that everyone would get their share? They realized that SEK 200 divided by 6 would be SEK 33.33. But if they deducted it from each person's share, the 5th and 6th person would be paid to eat. The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each person's bill proportionately. He calculated the amounts each person would pay:

The result was that the 5th person also got to eat for free - the 6th had to pay SEK 20 - the 7th paid SEK 50 - the 8th SEK 90 - the 9th SEK 120 - the 10th person paid SEK 520 instead of the previous SEK 590. Everyone got a lower price than before and now the first five could eat for free. Outside the restaurant, they began to compare what they had saved. "I only earned a tenth of the discount!", The 6th person began. He pointed to the 10th person, "… but he earned 70 kroner !!!" - "Exactly, I also only saved ten", said the 5th person. "It's unfair that he got seven times as much as I did!"
"It's true!" Shouted the 7th person. “Why should he get SEK 70 back when I only got SEK 20? The rich always gets the most! ”-“ Wait a minute ”, shouted the first four,“ We ​​got nothing! This system exploits us poor! ”

The nine people scolded the 10th and called him a cold-hearted egoist, a capitalist pig, a bloodsucker who kicks those who lie down. The next night, the 10th person didn't come to dinner. The other nine said " how nice", sat down and ate. When the bill came, they discovered something. They couldn't pay it. SEK 520 was missing.

10th friend owns all 9 houses his friend live in and collects rent from them. He has more total wealth than his other 9 friends combined. On top of that every year 10th friend amasses more and more % of over all wealth, as the other nine own less and less. So the other 9 friends get together and say remember how things were more even with the tax rate 30yrs ago? Yeah lets make sure not come back to that as current trend is totally sustainable, instead let's just blame the friend who's poorer then you. 10th friend doesn't do anything and just buys more land
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This all is curse of Shiba Inu.

Accumulation is going on around current price level, 30m chart is also very positive and  good crossover of Moving Average.. Huge break out is possible.



I think the recovery will be swift and merciless, lest the leveraged plebs get to long a few cheap sats, too. I insist, this was a technical dump tied to futures expiry. It's the arbitragers. They manage to shake the price so badly only because the books are thin. Remember the deflux of btc from exchanges that we've been witnessing in the latest weeks? Well, it turns out illiquidity works both ways.

I would like a regulation that mandates market makers on large exchanges, exactly to avoid nasty cases of liquidity shortage and fast, fake pumps and dumps.  A rule of thumb to tell a "large" exchange? For example, an exchange is "large" if it is listed on the stock market ;-) And I would suggest that for new exchanges to go public, they need to have had certified, liable market makers for a certain amount of time (like 1-2 years).

They say they want to "regulate crypto", but most exchanges are basically free to pull off any shit they like, as long as they don't let USA citizens sign up/use their services if the exchange is overseas and boss is American, black and cocky.
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This all is curse of Shiba Inu.

Accumulation is going on around current price level, 30m chart is also very positive and  good crossover of Moving Average.. Huge break out is possible.



I think the recovery will be swift and merciless, lest the leveraged plebs get to long a few cheap sats, too. I insist, this was a technical dump tied to futures expiry. It's the arbitragers. They manage to shake the price so badly only because the books are thin. Remember the deflux of btc from exchanges that we've been witnessing in the latest weeks? Well, it turns out illiquidity works both ways.

I would like a regulation that mandates market makers on large exchanges, exactly to avoid nasty cases of liquidity shortage and fast, fake pumps and dumps.  A rule of thumb to tell a "large" exchange? For example, an exchange is "large" if it is listed on the stock market ;-) And I would suggest that for new exchanges to go public, they need to have had certified, liable market makers for a certain amount of time (like 1-2 years).

They say they want to "regulate crypto", but most exchanges are basically free to pull off any shit they like, as long as they don't let USA citizens sign up/use their services if the exchange is overseas and boss is American, black and cocky.

I see what you did there  Cheesy

Bottom at $40-42k or rip to $75K, bitcoin is unpredictable. I don't believe in fractals, sorry.
S2F is holding and surprisingly well so far, though. Woonomic believes that this is because bitcoin behaves like an incredibly sophisticated machine and is almost "mechanical".
What I am amazed mostly with is a few original thoughts by Satoshi (who said few one liners about how it is worth getting some in case it catches on) and Hal Finney who calculated a $10mil "omega point" price for btc also very early on.

I am currently watching the end (soon, hopefully) of the 3rd season of "Dark" and it resonates quite well with that and a block universe model. It's almost like it already happened in a sense and we are just unveiling the statue so to speak.
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10 friends go out every day for dinner. The bill would be SEK 1,000. The bill was divided in the same way that taxes are paid. The first four - (the poorest) pay nothing; - the 5th pays SEK 10 - the 6th pays SEK 30 - the 7th SEK 70 - the 8th SEK 120 - the 9th SEK 180 - The 10th person (the richest) pays SEK 590.
The ten friends ate dinner at the restaurant every day, happy with the deal. Until one day, when the owner of the restaurant gave them a discount. “You are such good customers. I give you SEK 200 off your dinners. ” Dinner for 10 people now costs SEK 800.

They still wanted to pay for the dinner the way taxes are paid in Sweden. The first four people were not affected. They were allowed to continue eating for free. But what would the other 6 do - those who paid? How would they divide the discount of SEK 200 so that everyone would get their share? They realized that SEK 200 divided by 6 would be SEK 33.33. But if they deducted it from each person's share, the 5th and 6th person would be paid to eat. The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each person's bill proportionately. He calculated the amounts each person would pay:

The result was that the 5th person also got to eat for free - the 6th had to pay SEK 20 - the 7th paid SEK 50 - the 8th SEK 90 - the 9th SEK 120 - the 10th person paid SEK 520 instead of the previous SEK 590. Everyone got a lower price than before and now the first five could eat for free. Outside the restaurant, they began to compare what they had saved. "I only earned a tenth of the discount!", The 6th person began. He pointed to the 10th person, "… but he earned 70 kroner !!!" - "Exactly, I also only saved ten", said the 5th person. "It's unfair that he got seven times as much as I did!"
"It's true!" Shouted the 7th person. “Why should he get SEK 70 back when I only got SEK 20? The rich always gets the most! ”-“ Wait a minute ”, shouted the first four,“ We ​​got nothing! This system exploits us poor! ”

The nine people scolded the 10th and called him a cold-hearted egoist, a capitalist pig, a bloodsucker who kicks those who lie down. The next night, the 10th person didn't come to dinner. The other nine said " how nice", sat down and ate. When the bill came, they discovered something. They couldn't pay it. SEK 520 was missing.

10th friend owns all 9 houses his friend live in and collects rent from them. He has more total wealth than his other 9 friends combined. On top of that every year 10th friend amasses more and more % of over all wealth, as the other nine own less and less. So the other 9 friends get together and say remember how things were more even with the tax rate 30yrs ago? Yeah lets make sure not come back to that as current trend is totally sustainable, instead let's just blame the friend who's poorer then you. 10th friend doesn't do anything and just buys more land

Plot twist, back in high school, 9 friends screwed around smoking weed all day and gave the 10th friend wedgies for always doing his homework on time. Now they are all grown up and they want to go back to how things were 30 years ago when they weren't such losers. They want to fuck around and make their hard working friend pay for it.

Taking stuff away from successful people to give it to less successful people is called socialism. Just because you can beat someone up and take their money doesn't mean it's a good way to run a society. It's immoral and has never worked in any country that has tried it. It doesn't help the poor people, it just hurts the rich people. Poor people will always be poor because they don't know how to be rich or are just unmotivated.
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...whenever I go to a strip joint.

Ah, Bunny.  I’ve been intending to inquire, who is this?



I am asking for a friend.  He is performing academic sociological research on the bodily semiotics employed by whatever porn stars are popular nowadays.  For the sake of science, please sauce this girl.  Thanks.

* nullius trolls WO “for the articles”.

A youngish Ava Addams.

Thanks.  So, does she do Bitcoin?

Forget what I said about “science”.  This is the important question!

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Anyone advocating for more taxes has been watching too much MSNBC. It's not about feeling sympathy for people who have billions, it's about people thinking the government is their daddy.

Do you think billionaires are swimming around in a pool of gold coins or pallets of $100s? Nearly all of the wealth that people are complaining about is on paper. Jeff Bezos owns a bunch of Amazon shares. If you raise the capital gains tax, he'll just never sell those shares. If the capital gains tax was lowered however, he might sell those shares and invest that money in some other endeavor which could create millions of new jobs. I'm betting the guy who created Amazon is a lot smarter than anyone in the government.

Nearly all the wealth in the world is invested in companies and profits are reinvested in other companies to create more and more jobs. Taxes stifle growth. All taxes are a deterrent to economic activity.

The Government is not your baby daddy and the more money the government takes, the less economic activity, jobs etc.



That is not correct.

Remove all bridges and roads in all countries. Let me know which is harder on economy  no roads no bridges
no canals. Or taxes that build roads bridges and canals such as the panama and the suez.

The correct statement is many taxes are ill conceived and they can hurt the economy.




The bridge/underwater car and train tunnel between Malmö and Copenhagen cost absolutely nothing for the taxpayers, it's all funded by loans that's paid of by a bridge toll, and that even includes a brand new artificial island.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96resundsf%C3%B6rbindelsen#Finansiering_och_%C3%A4garskap

No English text unfortunately, there's a German site though for the speakers of said language.

But a nice picture I provide can.



And a train drivers view, starting with arriving at Malmö C and going underground Malmö with stop at two stations and then surfacing before entering the bridge and going on to Denmark.
I sometimes like to watch train driver view films just as a relaxation and this is one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_BlE4DxcA
You don't need taxes to build infrastructure.


Ahh the 108€ ($130) round trip toll bridge. Minimum wage worker in USA ($7.25/hr) would have to work over 2 days full time (17.9hrs) just for the privilege to drive across it. But if they buy online they can save 8€!
https://www.oresundsbron.com/en/prices
Should get one going to my house so those poor plebs don't come visiting! 'murika!

That's for one trip, if you go more frequently it gets cheaper. Or you could just take the train, 12 euro/ 14 bucks That's just two hours of work, you can probably manage.
And it's not like it was free before the bridge was built. The ferry wasn't exactly cheap for cars.

The bridge have increased the traffic fivefold and cut the traveltime not to mention the goods that can now go by train between the countries with all the benefits to the economy that brings.
And lastly, it's in my book just fair that the people who uses the bridge pay for the bridge. Why should the taxpayer collective in Denmark and Sweden pay for that?

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So if i take a chopper to work, have a private doctor, my gated community has private security and my kids have private tutors/fly to private schools then i shouldn't have to pay taxes that go for public roads, schools, healthcare? So you're telling me that way I can concentrate all my energy on accumulating more wealth while poorer folks have to fight for remaining resources? Wait are you sure they'd support that, no way, they'd actually vote for me to have lower tax rate than them? Ok how much do you think i'll be able to push it? What percentage of the overall wealth do you think i can accumulate before the system collapses? More importantly will the system show cracks before collapsing and how will those crack materialize? My security can probably hold back 100 pitchforks but i'd need private army if 1000s show up  Undecided
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In the case of the government, they will probably give it away.

To millionaires and billionaires, just to be clear. The poor it's claimed to be taken for usually only see a small fraction of it.

Too many poorz, too little dollar. Easier to feed the rich.
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Taking stuff away from successful people to give it to less successful people is called socialism. Just because you can beat someone up and take their money doesn't mean it's a good way to run a society. It's immoral and has never worked in any country that has tried it. It doesn't help the poor people, it just hurts the rich people. Poor people will always be poor because they don't know how to be rich or are just unmotivated.

And what about generational wealth, you cool with putting a tax on "dead" money (when someone uber rich dies)?

Or is successful a term that applies to anyone you are associated with, no matter what they did to generate that success?
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April 24, 2021, 12:33:55 AM

Anyone advocating for more taxes has been watching too much MSNBC. It's not about feeling sympathy for people who have billions, it's about people thinking the government is their daddy.

Do you think billionaires are swimming around in a pool of gold coins or pallets of $100s? Nearly all of the wealth that people are complaining about is on paper. Jeff Bezos owns a bunch of Amazon shares. If you raise the capital gains tax, he'll just never sell those shares. If the capital gains tax was lowered however, he might sell those shares and invest that money in some other endeavor which could create millions of new jobs. I'm betting the guy who created Amazon is a lot smarter than anyone in the government.

Nearly all the wealth in the world is invested in companies and profits are reinvested in other companies to create more and more jobs. Taxes stifle growth. All taxes are a deterrent to economic activity.

The Government is not your baby daddy and the more money the government takes, the less economic activity, jobs etc.



That is not correct.

Remove all bridges and roads in all countries. Let me know which is harder on economy  no roads no bridges
no canals. Or taxes that build roads bridges and canals such as the panama and the suez.

The correct statement is many taxes are ill conceived and they can hurt the economy.




The bridge/underwater car and train tunnel between Malmö and Copenhagen cost absolutely nothing for the taxpayers, it's all funded by loans that's paid of by a bridge toll, and that even includes a brand new artificial island.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96resundsf%C3%B6rbindelsen#Finansiering_och_%C3%A4garskap

No English text unfortunately, there's a German site though for the speakers of said language.

But a nice picture I provide can.



And a train drivers view, starting with arriving at Malmö C and going underground Malmö with stop at two stations and then surfacing before entering the bridge and going on to Denmark.
I sometimes like to watch train driver view films just as a relaxation and this is one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_BlE4DxcA
You don't need taxes to build infrastructure.


Ahh the 108€ ($130) round trip toll bridge. Minimum wage worker in USA ($7.25/hr) would have to work over 2 days full time (17.9hrs) just for the privilege to drive across it. But if they buy online they can save 8€!
https://www.oresundsbron.com/en/prices
Should get one going to my house so those poor plebs don't come visiting! 'murika!

That's for one trip, if you go more frequently it gets cheaper. Or you could just take the train, 12 euro/ 14 bucks That's just two hours of work, you can probably manage.
And it's not like it was free before the bridge was built. The ferry wasn't exactly cheap for cars.

The bridge have increased the traffic fivefold and cut the traveltime not to mention the goods that can now go by train between the countries with all the benefits to the economy that brings.
And lastly, it's in my book just fair that the people who uses the bridge pay for the bridge. Why should the taxpayer collective in Denmark and Sweden pay for that?

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So if i take a chopper to work, have a private doctor, my gated community has private security and my kids have private tutors/fly to private schools then i shouldn't have to pay taxes that go for public roads, schools, healthcare? So you're telling me that way I can concentrate all my energy on accumulating more wealth while poorer folks have to fight for remaining resources? Wait are you sure they'd support that, no way, they'd actually vote for me to have lower tax rate than them? Ok how much do you think i'll be able to push it? What percentage of the overall wealth do you think i can accumulate before the system collapses? More importantly will the system show cracks before collapsing and how will those crack materialize? My security can probably hold back 100 pitchforks but i'd need private army if 1000s show up  Undecided

The tax money that are now NOT going towards paying for the bridge can now be used for other, better purposes, it's a win win situation.
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April 24, 2021, 12:38:15 AM

Taking stuff away from successful people to give it to less successful people is called socialism. Just because you can beat someone up and take their money doesn't mean it's a good way to run a society. It's immoral and has never worked in any country that has tried it. It doesn't help the poor people, it just hurts the rich people. Poor people will always be poor because they don't know how to be rich or are just unmotivated.

And what about generational wealth, you cool with putting a tax on "dead" money (when someone uber rich dies)?

Or is successful a term that applies to anyone you are associated with, no matter what they did to generate that success?

Sweden abolished the inheritance tax because it gave very little in tax revenue and hinders generational build up of wealth among the common people and the handing over of businesses to the next genertion, the rich could pass on their wealth anyway through clever tax planning.
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April 24, 2021, 12:40:01 AM
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Taking stuff away from successful people to give it to less successful people is called socialism. Just because you can beat someone up and take their money doesn't mean it's a good way to run a society. It's immoral and has never worked in any country that has tried it.

Wake up, dude. It's working now, in every single modern country.

The problem is the ultrarich not paying their fair share. The ultrarich are paying lower tax rates than the poor.

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