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October 01, 2022, 05:50:47 PM

All people are buying bitcoin hard now but it still can go down by 40 - 50 % because exchanges have collected huge amounts of bitcoin. Moreover if you keep your bitcoin on exchanges they will use it to manipulate the market. So if you want bitcoin to go up, buy a ledger wallet and get it out of exchanges.
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October 01, 2022, 05:59:52 PM

”You know we’ve reached a unique time in history when Bitcoin suddenly is less volatile than fiat currencies. Bitcoin remained locked in an $18-20k range this week as the dollar index rallied +0.5%, the S&P 500 fell –3.1% and the British pound crashed to an all-time low”

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The fact that the volatility is at such a low level tells me clearly, that this is an accumulation period, and now is a great time to buy some more BTC. Smiley

When times get tough, we can see the true value of fiat currencies, and how much they are prone to inflation.
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October 01, 2022, 06:34:47 PM

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btc to the abyss.

But seriously I have over 140,000 doge why have btc?

here is why diversity in holdings.

I have a lot of gear mining btc as I type.
I will have a more gear in around two weeks.

By now, in these elderly years of your life, you should realize that holding BTC-related gear is not the same as holding BTC.

Yeah, of course, you have to make your own determinations in regards to both how to allocate and whether to tweak and/or reallocate from time to time, and also whether to move or gravitate your holdings in one direction or another based on possible changes in circumstances.

We are in a BTC thread, and even though you have been mining for years (perhaps as long as you have been a member of this forum), that still should not signify that your discussion should not relate to how much BTC to hold and which direction to go based on your personal circumstances, and for sure there are a lot of us in these here parts who believe that it is better NOT to go towards zero in regards to either BTC or dollars...

And, of course, the devil is in the details, and it is your choice (ultimately) how to allocate, but you should not expect that you are not going to get any push back if you are proclaiming that it is good to go to zero bitcoin in times like these.

And fuck off with your shitcoin holdings.. for sure. you are a dumb fuck (nohomo) to be holding doge coin (or at least advocating that nonsense here).

In regards to diversification of assets, there can be a decently large number of ways to look at that matter, and it seems logical to attempt to have diversification amongst differing kinds of asset classes.. so property, equities, bitcoin, commodities, bonds, cash.. and there can be some diversification from within, but it is not necessary to diversify within all of the asset classes, and it is usually better to attempt to select amongst winners rather than diversifying for the mere sake of it or perhaps diversifying into known losers or getting your diversifications wrong or thinking that you have to diversify.

Usually newer investors will not need to diversify until they build up their investment portfolio to a certain size. perhaps they would not want to diversify until they owned $30k to $50k in bitcoin... and then start to diversify thereafter.  Or, if they came to BTC and they already owned a 401k and some equity in property in the ballpark of $100k, then maybe they would target to get to 10% of their holdings into BTC.

Of course, since you are a more elderly investor, we might be able to presume that you have experience and you hold a variety of asset classes and some asset classes are  more liquid than others.. some asset classes have equity that could be somewhat liquid, too.

For sure, I want to beat up on you, but for sure I do not know your situation well enough to beat up on you very much except for what you are disclosing in this thread and some of the weird and seemingly negative assessments in regards to bitcoin and/or your thinking that it is good to own zero bitcoin right now, even if you own mining equipment which surely is not the same thing...

By the way, several times you admitted that historically, you have made mistakes of hardly at all holding any BTC, and you seem to be making the same mistake over and over and over.. at least from my limited perspective that I must express since we are in a bitcoin thread.. remember?

You do you.. but if you keep asserting low levels of BTC, you are likely going to continue to get push back on those kinds of assertions.. to the extent that some of it might not become a bit too repetitive..
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Technical analysis aside (that clearly favours the bears), many got things wrong last month. Here's my shortlist:

  • Price will capitulate after MtGox redistribution on September 15th. FALSE. This was simply the deadline for claims
  • Price will dump in September as it's Bitcoin's worst month. FALSE. Price dropped by 3%, not a real dump off
  • Price will dump after the ETH merge. FALSE. Has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Price still relatively sideways

Furthermore fundamentals seem to be getting interesting. Now for the interesting factors worth keeping an eye on:

  • Price will follow the stock market and make new lows. FALSE. Price remains sideways for now, has begun to uncorrelate
  • Price will dump after bearish fed announcement Sept 21st. FALSE. Price pumped by 10%, remains up from the lows
  • Fiat currencies (GBP/EUR) crashing against USD so Bitcoin will follow. FALSE. Price instead remains sideways


This isn't to say price is going to immediately reverse, instead based on TA I'd argue further sideways orientated consolidation, this is just to emphasise how many bears got things wrong last month. From MtGox, to the ETH merge, to already-priced-in Fed announcements... and currently Bitcoin's correlation to the stock market as well as other fiat currencies. As I've always said: Bitcoin is correlated to macro economics until it's not.

The question really is: How many times do you have to get things wrong before considering that your speculation might not always be right? Many now expect October to be a sort of UPtober, because previous years point towards upside. Personally I'm considering more sideways to slightly upwards, between $20K to $24K, ie "nothing special" upside and instead further consolidation. No immediate recovery as it were.

Fundamentals are now beginning to favour the bulls, while technical analysis favours the bears. This to me calls for a neutral market until the fundamentals are properly priced in.
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I saw some people complaining about the ChartBuddy account spamming this thread.  It seems like this thread has reached special status where exceptions are being made.  The complaints about spamming actually gave me an idea.  The ChartBuddy account should be in a paid signature campaign (I'm sure someone would pay a bot) and a % of that sig spam money should go to random giveaways of satoshis in this thread.  Certainly that would take the "longest thread on bitcointalk" growth to another level.  Plus, it would anger a lot of trolls, which I think is it's own reward.  Smiley

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In the morning when you rise
Do you open up your eyes, see what I see?
Do you see the same things every day?
Do you think of a way to start the day
Getting things in proportion?
Spread the news and help the world go round

Have you heard of a time that will help us get it together again?
Have you heard of the word that will stop us going wrong?
Well, the time is near, the word you'll hear
When you get things in perspective
Spread the news and help the world go round

There's a time and the time is now and it's right for me
It's right for me, and the time is now
There's a word and the word is lovebitcoin and it's right for me
It's right for me, and the word is lovebitcoin
Have you heard of a time that will help us get it together again?
Have you heard of the word that will stop us going wrong?
Well, the time is near, the word you'll hear
When you get things in perspective
Spread the news and help the world go round

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There's a time and the time is now and it's right for me
It's right for me, and the time is now
There's a word and the word is lovebitcoin and it's right for me
It's right for me, and the word is love
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Just a reminder of history: Wikipedia deleted the Bitcoin page twelve years ago.
This was Satoshi Nakamoto response.


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Source: https://twitter.com/DaveTaylorNews/status/1576137253734076418

Credit Suisse seems likely. If true more pain ahead in October.  Undecided

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https://www.axios.com/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-sabotage

hey buddy how about some real news.

two not one pipelines suffer explosions.


thank god global warming will help europe to not freeze that much.
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