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January 19, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
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It is actually the same bullshit Gox bot that was identified a couple weeks ago. At least on Gox. People call it the "Willy" bot and is likely run by MtGox since it had trading access while everyone else was shut out of Gox for an hour+ last week. Most of this current rise on Gox is the Willy bot. Buys around 15btc every 7-10 minutes.
There is no indication that anybody is calling the bot "willy"

You should read and listen to more btc live casts, a lot of people are calling it willy. I think it was 'coined' a week or so ago on the live cast run by this guy bonavest.com - there was another name in the running too, but I forget that.
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January 19, 2014, 05:13:49 PM
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Perhaps because Dogecoin is what Bitcoin should have been?

There are a number of economic reasons that make me skeptical about Bitcoin's chances of success.  But there is one reason that makes me wary of it: the fact that its is being "marketed" more as an investment than a payment system.

Here is what a true Bitcoin believer, pure of heart, should be saying:

  * Our goal is cheap, easy, unrestricted international payments;
  * We will succeed if everybody uses uses crypto, we will fail if no one uses it;
  * Other cryptocoins are welcome and we hope they prosper.
  * Our hope is that SOME crypto will succeed; it doesn't have to be Bitcoin.
  * We do not know how much a Bitcoin will be worth, and it does not matter.
  * However, the value of a cryptocoin should be as stable as the dollar's value is now.
  * The sooner the price stabilizes, the better.
  * Hoarding or speculating with cryptocoins is evil as it defeats those goals.
  * Large cryptocoin-based financial institutions are just as evil as dollar-based ones.
  * Our priority is to convince merchants to accept crypto as payment method.
  * People should change dollars for crypto only if and when it is is clearly worth it.

Instead, here is what Bitcoin enthusiasts seem to be saying, here and in other forums:

  * Our goal is to get rich.
  * We will succeed if Bitcoin's value rises to the Moon, fail if it goes down to cents.
  * Other cryptocoins are unwelcome competition and we must speak out against them.
  * Our hope is that BITCOIN succeeds, we will be mad if some other crypto crushes it.
  * One Bitcoin must be, and surely will be, worth at least 1000 USD.
  * The price should keep rising in the long run so that Bitcoin hoarders can have a steady income.
  * Large price oscillations are good now because one can make money or grab more Bitcoins.
  * Hoarding and speculating with Bitcoins is what the thing is all about.
  * Large cryptocoin-based institutions are welcome because they will want to push the price up.
  * Our priority is to convince everybody to change all their dollars for Bitcoins and hold them fast.
  * People should pay for things and services with Bitcoins even if it is not worth it.

That unfortunatey is the mindset that fuels bubbles and Ponzi schemes...  Angry

This is what your post tells me:

 - You haven't read Satoshi's White Paper.
 - You base your understanding of the 'goals' of Bitcoin, and its many and diverse users, on recent headlines and the Speculation forum of this site.
 - You haven't spent much time on the Dogecoin thread or subReddit.
 - Something about the price rise, and the fact that people have - and continue - to profit from it, annoys you.

"People should change dollars for crypto only if and when it is is clearly worth it."

How do you expect this ^^ to ever come true if people aren't willing to speculate? Someone has to take the chance. When is it clearly worth it? If you're looking for signals, maybe it's clearly worth it when it can go from a few dollars to 1,000 in a year?

Actually, why am I arguing here.... You're someone who comes to the "Wall Observer" in the Bitcoin speculation forum to complain that people are treating Bitcoin as a speculation vehicle, and then suggests that Doge is somehow immune the whims of traders and their pump and dump evils.




You missed a bunch of stuff about what Bitcoin should be so I will just address your concerns about what is wrong with Bitcoin:

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* Our goal is to get rich.
Someone will make some money off Bitcoin why not me.

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* We will succeed if Bitcoin's value rises to the Moon, fail if it goes down to cents.
Speculator talk

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* Other cryptocoins are unwelcome competition and we must speak out against them.
Completely false - Other cryptos may one day be what save decentralized currency

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* Our hope is that BITCOIN succeeds, we will be mad if some other crypto crushes it.
Completely false

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* One Bitcoin must be, and surely will be, worth at least 1000 USD.
Completely false - Alot of people want to see it go down to nothing again...shake off the chaff

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* The price should keep rising in the long run so that Bitcoin hoarders can have a steady income.
Doesn't make sense...how can hoarders that don't use or sell their Bitcoin have a steady income off it?

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* Large price oscillations are good now because one can make money or grab more Bitcoins.
Someone will make some money off Bitcoin why not me.

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* Hoarding and speculating with Bitcoins is what the thing is all about.
Doesn't deserve a response.

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* Large cryptocoin-based institutions are welcome because they will want to push the price up.
Depends what you mean by "Large cryptocoin-based institutions"?  If you mean for accepting Bitcoin as payment then how does that hurt anything.  If you mean large centralized mining facilities then that is a bad thing.

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* Our priority is to convince everybody to change all their dollars for Bitcoins and hold them fast.
Completely false - Alot of people struggle with getting enough Bitcoin to spend not hold

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* People should pay for things and services with Bitcoins even if it is not worth it.
If I live in Canada and you live in China and you are offering to sell me something there is no legal requirement forcing you to accept a particular form of currency.  If you choose to accept Bitcoin then I need to comply with your wish or go to a different vendor.  Everyone seems to forget that beyond its borders, every form of currency is foreign currency.
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January 19, 2014, 05:39:51 PM
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Much Pump, Such Dump, China Wow
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January 19, 2014, 05:40:57 PM
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now, that the sunday rally is over

how low will the monday dump take us ?


Probably very low, as confirmed by bad news sources and the verified fact that the price didn't break old ATH today.  This confirms additional bad news and new ATL.
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January 19, 2014, 05:49:17 PM
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Much Pump, Such Dump, China Wow

entering the much pump phase again Cheesy
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January 19, 2014, 05:53:25 PM
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now, that the sunday rally is over

how low will the monday dump take us ?


Probably very low, as confirmed by bad news sources and the verified fact that the price didn't break old ATH today.  This confirms additional bad news and new ATL.

what is the ATL ? 0 ? just make sure to send any bitcoins to the address in my signature, you do not need bitcoin as the sources confirmed zero dollars, that address is good for dumping your bitcoins, I will make sure that they will end up in a safe way that wont effect the environment and economics, this will be confirmed and verified from good sources as well  Wink
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January 19, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
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It's not just a question of "pump" my friends. This 10-day consolidation was going to break up. It was just a matter of when.

EDIT: with the benefit of hindsight, 10 days.  Grin
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January 19, 2014, 05:56:17 PM
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It's not just a question of "pump" my friends. This 10-day consolidation was going to break up. It was just a matter of when.

im trolling.. I'm also a perma bull no lie Cheesy a hodl platinum card has been issued to me as well
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January 19, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
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It's not just a question of "pump" my friends. This 10-day consolidation was going to break up. It was just a matter of when.

im trolling.. I'm also a perma bull no lie Cheesy a hodl platinum card has been issued to me as well

It's fun trolling but in all seriousness, I've been saying this for two and a half weeks already.
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It's not just a question of "pump" my friends. This 10-day consolidation was going to break up. It was just a matter of when.

im trolling.. I'm also a perma bull no lie Cheesy a hodl platinum card has been issued to me as well

It's fun trolling but in all seriousness, I've been saying this for two and a half weeks already.

I just let it all play out, too much adoption coming up in the next month not to at least as a bear to start to claim a bubble is forming  Lips sealed
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January 19, 2014, 06:02:43 PM
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Explanation
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January 19, 2014, 06:02:45 PM
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You missed a bunch of stuff about what Bitcoin should be so I will just address your concerns about what is wrong with Bitcoin:
Please note: the second set of statements is not what I think of bitcoin, but what I understand that many bitcoiners think of it.

Glad to know that there still are bitcoiners who are true and pure of heart.  Wink
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January 19, 2014, 06:05:27 PM
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You missed a bunch of stuff about what Bitcoin should be so I will just address your concerns about what is wrong with Bitcoin:
Please note: the second set of statements is not what I think of bitcoin, but what I understand that many bitcoiners think of it.

Glad to know that there still are bitcoiners who are true and pure of heart.  Wink

Only HODLERS are pure at heart... Grin
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January 19, 2014, 06:06:01 PM
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fuck me, mooncoin literally going to the moon

i was gonna move in with a grand when it was at $30k market cap. its $160k now..
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January 19, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
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Perhaps because Dogecoin is what Bitcoin should have been?

  * Hoarding or speculating with cryptocoins is evil as it defeats those goals.
  * Large cryptocoin-based financial institutions are just as evil as dollar-based ones.

Actually, why am I arguing here.... You're someone who comes to the "Wall Observer" in the Bitcoin speculation forum to complain that people are treating Bitcoin as a speculation vehicle, and then suggests that Doge is somehow immune the whims of traders and their pump and dump evils.


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* Hoarding and speculating with Bitcoins is what the thing is all about.
Doesn't deserve a response.


OP has some fantastic points all based in a fantasy world somewhere either in New York, San Francisco, Denmark, Belgium, or Norway. This wonderful world has an altruistic world view and no greed, I cannot wait to move there so that I can become a pawn of the State.

BTW, I hoard DOGE so DOGE is doomed.

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January 19, 2014, 06:07:53 PM
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fuck me, mooncoin literally going to the moon

i was gonna move in with a grand when it was at $30k market cap. its $160k now..

Don't get too excited volume is like $5k, nobody is getting rich off this blip in the pump-of-the-day manipulation.
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January 19, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
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* Hoarding and speculating with Bitcoins is what the thing is all about.
Doesn't deserve a response.


I think it does. Obviously this is not what bitcoin is "all about". But it is a very important part of it, imo. Without hoarding and speculating we would never see these huge swings in price. These prices grab attention and bring more people onboard, furthering its path towards a legitimate currency. How much extra press did we get as a result of hitting 1000 last year? Where would we be without the epic turn of events that led us there? (thanks, loaded!)

Obviously this volatility isn't good in the long run, but it's just the way things have to be right now. As bitcoin grows, volatility will go down. There is already evidence of this.

Typical response on a speculator sub-forum...anything less would be uncivilized.
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January 19, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
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Let's pray for Fr33domizer.
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January 19, 2014, 06:14:48 PM
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This is my bet for the weekend dip:

Damn it! My weekend dip is going in the wrong direction...
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January 19, 2014, 06:25:50 PM
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Probably very low, as confirmed by bad news sources and the verified fact that the price didn't break old ATH today.  This confirms additional bad news and new ATL.

qft.
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