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December 23, 2017, 06:59:14 AM
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Funny thing is, if we could do atomic swaps between Bitcoin and BCH, there would be no need for anyone to ever hold BCH at all. Just convert from Bitcoin on the fly as needed.

So tell me - do atomic swaps happen on-chain(s)? That might be hard to accommodate when one of the chains is cloggeded.
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December 23, 2017, 07:03:49 AM

your type will end up being the first in line for purging once they accomplish full blockchain adoption.

certainly possible, so enlighten us, oh guru, how do we identify and fight the real masters?
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December 23, 2017, 07:05:14 AM

I would bet that all big blockers around here had 50 Mbps lines when the internet first came out, right? Fuck DARPA with the 300 bps modems!  I want speed NOW!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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December 23, 2017, 07:09:58 AM

your type will end up being the first in line for purging once they accomplish full blockchain adoption.

certainly possible, so enlighten us, oh guru, how do we identify and fight the real masters?

You do not.
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December 23, 2017, 07:12:32 AM

It looks like it secretly might want to do one more to somewhere between $8K and $12K. There still wasn't enough volume.

I think you secretly want that to happen, not Bitcoin
Nope I spoke with Bitcoin and it definitely wants to be lower. It doesn't like this cherade of 'wall street' and winklevoss twins and feds and fiat - being another cog in the wheel. Government approval and stock markets were not in the whitepaper. It wants to go back to the underground and then come back up as honey badger.

JayJuanGee is posting so that's definitely going to cause it's value to decrease.


I have been posting in this thread for nearly 4 years.  For almost the first two years of my posting, from about February 2014 until about August 2015 (maybe closer to a year and a half), we were in a bear market and BTC prices largely decreased and then bottomed out during that time. 

For the past about two years and a little bit, we have been in a bull market, which really such bull market began in about August 2015 - even though we were not really confirmed of such bull market until about the end of May 2016, when BTC prices shot past $500, never to return below $500, and really several subsequent confirmations of unsuccessful tests of downward prices and resumption of our lovely dovely and seemingly current bull market,  so overall, BTC prices have been going up since about August 2015, even while I have been regularly posting during such time.

Maybe goes to show that you just make shit up, and try to assert some kind of causation, when at best there could possibly be selective and wishful correlation.. in your nonsense irrelevant talks about race or sex or the supposed superiority of PM investments, and how have those been doing in the past couple of years, in comparison to bitcoin?  Overall, roachie poachie, you are not really adding any meaningful value to our understanding or discussion of bitcoin in this thread and the various price dynamics of BTC, are you?
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December 23, 2017, 07:12:47 AM

your type will end up being the first in line for purging once they accomplish full blockchain adoption.

certainly possible, so enlighten us, oh guru, how do we identify and fight the real masters?

You do not.

well, that is certainly helpful...  Roll Eyes


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December 23, 2017, 07:16:00 AM

Listen, I know these are difficult times. But let's try to remain civil. Remember why we're here.
To crush souls and steal their money? Yeah, most of us seem to have forgotten.

To make sure (((Goldman Sachs))) is left holding the bag on completely valueless, imaginary assets like bitcoin and ethereum while the goyim sell retardedly overvalued craptocurrency to buy up the whole silver and gold market.

Do you really think the minnows that hang out here can possibly make even a dent in the PM supply?  Cheesy Maybe you ought to hit up the Winklevoss twins. However, I don't think even they could muster enough to make a dent. Maybe you can get Barry to suddenly change the investment strategy of DCG.  Cool

2 billion oz above ground silver = $32 billion
bitcoin market cap = $242 billion



Come on man.  Peru alone has 120,000 MT of silver reserve.  That's 3.85 billion troy ounces.  I think your numbers are way off.

I'm talking about above ground investment grade silver that can be delivered to market.  You're talking about so called "deep storage" silver, which isn't even economical to extract.  Even so, you referenced (the largest below ground silver reserve in the world?) and it's only $60.8 billion.  But that's like saying trees aren't valuable because I saw a tree over there we haven't cut down and dragged to market yet.  

It requires two neutron stars colliding to make that silver, so unlike the tree, once that largest in the world silver reserve is gone, you aren't getting another one.  And mostly unlike gold, civilization actually needs that silver to function and uses it up all the time.  It also might take some astronomical time span like 20 years to extract the silver you referenced, and might cost an order of magnitude higher silver prices for it to happen.  When you say the world has so and so amount of silver below ground, the number is meaningless because it might cost $100+ an ounce to extract the stuff you're talking about.

 No. It's like saying, "there's a tree over there because nobody wants the fuckin' thing and it's not worth their sweat to cut it down.".
Anyway, when civilization runs out of mirrors and current year shiny collectible coins, they'll gladly pay $100 per ounce for silver provided that haven't found a way to collide a couple of neutron stars to make some a little more cheaply.

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December 23, 2017, 07:16:51 AM

Meanwhile a random coin called 'burst' is up 160%, but nobody is upset that they missed the burst train to increase their coins 160%. Theyre only upset that they missed the fiat train to increase their coins 30%.
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2017: 1 btc = 1 fiat
 

This part is confusing me...
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December 23, 2017, 07:23:18 AM

Meanwhile a random coin called 'burst' is up 160%, but nobody is upset that they missed the burst train to increase their coins 160%. Theyre only upset that they missed the fiat train to increase their coins 30%.

I remember burst. God, shit coins were dumb.
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It includes a consumer and bonus cash.
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December 23, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin Core Coin is absolutely shitting on the confidence of cryptocurrency as a whole... if anything Bitcoin Cash is trying to save us.

The average cost per transaction for BCore Coin at the moment is over $40!!!

If you want to buy a candy bar with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 40x the cost due to fees.

If you want to buy a hit of acid with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 4x the cost due to fees.

If you want to buy a 8th of weed with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 2x the cost due to fees.

I seriously doubt that BCore Coin would have been what it is today without the Silk Road and I doubt the Silk Road would have been anything with such absurd transfer fees.

Even if you aren't buying drugs... why would anyone use BCore to send payments when there are SO many cheaper options?  In fact, I can't think of a single option that costs more than BCore to send $500.

For those who say "Bitcoin isn't meant to buy candy with!"... why would Satoshi waste his time talking about Bitcoin and vending machines in that case?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6269#msg6269
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December 23, 2017, 07:54:51 AM

Meanwhile a random coin called 'burst' is up 160%, but nobody is upset that they missed the burst train to increase their coins 160%. Theyre only upset that they missed the fiat train to increase their coins 30%.

 I think this one is too deep for me. Why would anyone care about a random PND?
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December 23, 2017, 07:56:02 AM

Bitcoin just isn't suitable for single hits of acid these days, only ten strips and if this keeps up, it'll be sheets. Actually if you're still using bitcoin to buy drugs that's kind of stupid. That should have been over in 2013.
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December 23, 2017, 07:56:13 AM

I really want to see one final total panic sell, all the way down to $10,000 in a matter of minutes, all out hysteria, just like the old days.

That would be bracing! I have standing buy orders all the way down to there and further yet.



I've pulled enough fiat out this sucka in the last few weeks to get me through another crypto winter. See ya at the next halving?

'Cause we know it is inevitable that it will hit ATHs again some day. The only question being when.

Well, unless it is killed off by a preference for the other fork, that is.

Your orders are way too close together - especially for someone who is supposedly more experienced and for someone who has built some equity.

Hey - Butt The Fuck Out. And I say that in the most loving way. ::wink::

Really, I mean to say, you trade the way you want, and I'll trade the way I want. My 'too close together' orders netted me several BTC last night. I'm doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

After all, what the hell else am I gonna do with the fiat side profits?


Hey Jbreher, at least when you talk about trading strategies (whether BTC or alts.. of course, BTC is more relevant), you are talking about something that is meaningful to what participants in this thread (and bitcoin) want to brainstorm these kinds of various trading strategies.

I also said my part too in regard to the problematic nature of the seeming structure of your orders.  I am not trying to be a dick, but I am trying to assist your retarded ass, without being patronizing and perhaps you have some kind of explanation that would allow your system to make sense, but having your buy and sell orders so close together seems a bit naive and impractical (or did I say retarded earlier?), and I am saying those things in a loving way.   Wink  - even though I am doing it in a public thread, rather than privately.

Sure buying a lot of bitcoin can make you a lot of money, but it appears that you have your orders set for about $250 increments.  You have about 26 orders between $6800 and $13500.  It also appears that you have about a $500 spread.  I actually don't have a problem with keeping your spread about 2x your increments, but merely quibbling about the seeming non-practicality of such close increments.

Yeah, of course when I was a beginner trader I was trying to get a lot of experience, so I set my order increments very close together in terms of percentage, starting with about 1.5% and working my way to larger increments.  I was also trying to build my stackings on both sides; however, it seems that you have been doing this kind of thing at least as long as me, and probably longer, so, I cannot see why you would either need to gain additional experience or you would not have figured out other ways to stack your buy/sell orders so they are not so close together.

Also, with bitcoin, sure we can have a lot of reversals that cause us to have to reset our buy/sell orders, but when you have built equity we should tend to not have time to be spending on resetting so many orders, unless that is your only exchange or the only pair that you are trading... and also the outrageous runs that take BTC 50% or larger without any meaningful corrections...and then continuing more and more and more which is resulting in nearly an unmanageable quantity of orders being filled.

Sure when BTC prices are in the $6,800 territory, the price increments are around 4%; however, when the price is in the $13,500 territory, you have only about 2% increments.  Do you have a bot that is assisting you with manageing and keeping up with these kinds of frequencies especially when BTC prices are moving outrageously fast?  Just seems too much when we have 30% price movements in a few days... and frequent 10-20% price swings in a day and back and forth, within that too.

Funny you have had any time to write anything in this thread or anywhere else or to do anything else in your life?

And really, does it matter how much money you are supposedly making if you are ending up spending so much time on something like this, when you could probably achieve a lot of the same objectives, even while maintaining greater increments and spreads.  Tell me what I am missing?  Why you torture yourself like that?
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My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun

et tu, BAC. Cry
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When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

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December 23, 2017, 08:01:15 AM

All this debate over what the blocksize should be or if there should be lightning network and I'm sitting here thinking the solution is neither and that we should have some kind of sharding or tree where not all nodes have to store the full chain.
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December 23, 2017, 08:02:38 AM

Meanwhile a random coin called 'burst' is up 160%, but nobody is upset that they missed the burst train to increase their coins 160%. Theyre only upset that they missed the fiat train to increase their coins 30%.

 I think this one is too deep for me. Why would anyone care about a random PND?

I'd like to know how he missed hamstercoin is up 400%.
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