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[Rosewater Foundation]

Governments are not the people. Nation states are horrible. Stalin could never have existed in a municipality.

Jay, stop trolling.

I think everybody is on drugs tonight. Is it?

[arklan]

Governments are not the people. Nation states are horrible. Stalin could never have existed in a municipality.

Jay, stop trolling.

I think everybody is on drugs tonight. Is it?

never touch the stuff.

[JayJuanGee]

Governments are not the people.

I think that I already sufficiently explained how I arrived at my tentative conclusions in this tangential topic.

Nation states are horrible.

There are horrible, people, too.  Much of what you are saying is relative, and subject to opinion variance.

Stalin could never have existed in a municipality.

What the fuck you talking about willis?  You give one example of one leader in history.. what does that have to do with the price of tea in china or anything else for that matter?

Jay, stop trolling.

Get the fuck out of here, with your blasphemy.  You deserve one of these, too.       .. a baby one.

I think everybody is on drugs tonight. Is it?

speak for yourself.  

[Rosewater Foundation]

I don't want to make a big thing about it. It's late and I'm probably on drugs. But the idea is bottom-up, not top-down. Central planning is dangerous and not antifragile. I mean, isn't that why we're here in the first place? 

[supertee]

Governments are not the people. Nation states are horrible. Stalin could never have existed in a municipality.

Jay, stop trolling.

I think everybody is on drugs tonight. Is it?

never touch the stuff.

Don't touch it, sniff it.

[JayJuanGee]

I don't want to make a big thing about it. It's late and I'm probably on drugs. But the idea is bottom-up, not top-down. Central planning is dangerous and not antifragile. I mean, isn't that why we're here in the first place? 

I only mentioned that the government is composed of the people based on a seemingly impractical comment from Elwar regarding taking away guns from government and not from the people, so there seems to be some disconnection regarding what governments are, exactly.

I am not going to try to pinpoint what governments are exactly, because there is a lot of local variance, but the essence of government is supposed to be representative of the people.. so if you try to say take the guns away from government and not from people, the comment almost makes no sense, except for in some kind of irrational anti-government propaganda that tends to distort what the what the government is, which, like I said, is supposed to be representing people in a community, sense.

Regarding, why many of us are into bitcoin, that is likely going to vary too... I understand that bitcoin has a lot of libertarian origins, but that mere fact does not mean that everyone subscribes to the seemingly vacuous anti-government views of that many libertarians seem to spout out in criticizing the current system.  Sure, there are problems with the current system, but merely getting rid of government does not seem like it is going to solve as many problems as it causes.

Anyhow there can be a lot of reason why many of us believe that cryptos push in the right direction in terms of bottom-up as you say, and so we may agree on some of that, and government does not automatically mean that something is centrally planned because governments can still solve some problems that the free market might not be so good at solving.  Furthermore, we might not even need to bring politics in the discussion at all in order to see benefits in bitcoin, whether personal prosperity and/or keeping checks on some of the inflationary money printing bullshit that goes on that ends up privileging the wealthy, so bitcoin can provide some opportunities for regular people to have a price appreciating asset that is much more difficult to manipulate as compared with fiat currencies... fiat currencies and governments are not going to be going away any time soon, even though they are likely going to need to adapt to some of the crazy ass seemingly more decentralized power that comes from bitcoin... and we have never had a technology that has fit into such a niche that is so likely to cause a lot of societal changes that are difficult to know in these early days, yet in these early days, some of us that might have fewer than 10 bitcoin, might well become very prosperous through the price appreciation of bitcoin in the coming 10 years, if we are so lucky to live that long and to be able to hang onto our bitcoins.

[Rosewater Foundation]

I read all of that. Didn't even hurt much. Fair play.
Goodnight Bitcoinland, wherever you are.

[bitebits]

Well, not seeing us testing $10k by mid-week at this rate.

It's OK, we're still going to reach $12280 *on 11th June.

sorry to break it to you but I think you'll find it will be the 12th june

ain't got no problem with those dates  

13th of june is definitely more probable

2019

[Elwar]

Governments are the people

are they Jay?

yes

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

[supertee]

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

What country are you from?

[shahzadafzal]

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

What country are you from?

For sure Poland...

[UnDerDoG81]

Governments are the people

are they Jay?

yes

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

Its the Jews behind ALL! Yes, WWII was a Jewish construct. Nobody can become President (like Hitler) in no country of this world without the permission of Jews. Who profitted the most from WWII? The Jews and their proxy America. Do you think it would have been possible to steal a country and name it Israel without a WWII?

[Elwar]

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

What country are you from?

Born in America. So I'm native American.

[shahzadafzal]

Something that happens only once in a blue moon sighted one minute back:

https://i.imgur.com/8XEsVSZ.png

24-hour change = 0.00%

Refresh.... and check now? :p

[Murat]

Let's be on topic  

When we going to hit above $12,000?

N.S.

''Bill Gates'' want's to get in

yeahhh

he taking shit with his friend ''puppet''

to lower down the price

like a faucet.

Yeahhh

[jbreher]

Governments are [some of] the people,

FTFY

[vroom]

Something that happens only once in a blue moon sighted one minute back:



24-hour change = 0.00%

is bitcoin dead?

[jbreher]

Usually the intent of a seller is to actually sell their coins, not to manipulate the market and "hold it down".

Here's another example of the fantasy world that you seem to live.

Surely, you can't be serious. Or are you just tweaking Torque now with your feigned conspiracy theory?

TLDR: It is nearly as crazy to assert that the whole market is manipulated, as to assert that no manipulation exists at all.  I am not taking either of those extremes, and I am largely just calling bullshit on your cousin, tera bera's assertion, that no holding the price down manipulation exists.

Thanks for the tl dr, though it still be tl.

 AAR, you are putting words in the mouths of others. Again. Look at TERA's quote above. It does not open with 'Always'. It opens with 'Usually'.

[Torque]

You guys need to fk off.

The Bitcoin market has been manipulated, gamed, and FUD'ed since the opening bell rang 9 years ago. It's not a myth and not a conspiracy. It's just what whales do.

And what does it matter to you to try and dispel such truth?

In the long run it won't matter, the buy-and-hold retail investors will FAR outnumber the manipulators' ability to swing the market.

[jbreher]

we have never had a technology that has fit into such a niche that is so likely to cause a lot of societal changes that are difficult to know in these early days

I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you!
Fire, I'll take you to burn.
Fire, I'll take you to learn.
I'll see you burn!

You've fought hard and you saved and earned,
but all of it's going to burn.
And your mind, your tiny mind,
you know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time, burn your mind,
You're falling far too far behind.
Oh no, oh no, oh no, you're gonna burn!

Fire, to destroy all you've done.
Fire, to end all you've become.
I'll feel you burn!

You've been living like a little girl,
in the middle of your little world.
And your mind, your tiny mind,
you know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time, burn your mind,
you're falling far too far behind.
Oooooooooooooo.

Fire, I'll take you to burn.
Fire, I'll take you to learn.
You're gonna burn!
You're gonna burn!
You're gonna burn!
Burn, burn, burn, burn, burn,
burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, ahhhhhhhhh
Fire, I'll take you to burn.
Fire, I'll take you to learn.
Fire, I'll take you to burn.
Fire, fire ahhhhh...

- Fire performed by Arthur Brown
- Songwriters: Jacob Louis Plant

As merely counterexample one.