Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

Can we go up now like crossing $20k and more

I'm still kicking myself for not selling off the rest of the coin I have loaded on the exchange when it last bounced off $11,500.

You could do worse, like shorting with leverage around 6800 and going long again around 9800...

[Jacques_Bittard]

I'm not a big fan of investing into precious metals with highly speculative markets, but BTC vs gold, I would choose gold. Bitcoin may be limited, but it is also easily replaceable. This makes it's value far more fragile.
With PoW vs PoS, the environment isn't an issue, but the cost of production is an issue. It's all about the numbers, talks about the environment is just for PR.

Gold's monetary utility is also easily replaceable... with bitcoin. We might see that play out over the next decades.

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

[Dakustaking76]

Everything is green dildo exept BTC and ethrium ...

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

Also, gold is impractical as a means of exchange, which hinders its "stickyness" and price stability.  
If bitcoin scales well and has increased adoption, it would become more stable.

[Jacques_Bittard]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

[Anon136]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

No he's 100% right. Every school of economic thought other than Marxists, who still cling to the nutty labor theory of value, have given up non subjective theories of value. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_theory_of_value

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

I am very serious.  In fact, maybe "value" is even a flawed word.  Something has properties, which give it utility, which can be desirable for someone.
Value is always subjective (see "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse").

[Jacques_Bittard]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

I am very serious.  In fact, maybe "value" is even a flawed word.  Something has properties, which give it utility, which can be desirable for someone.
Value is always subjective. (see "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse").

So, you actually can't comprehend that gold has irreplaceable value in electronics?

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

Gold isn't a very good monetary asset, since it's market is speculative and that makes it unstable. But bitcoin would be far worse, because unlike gold, it has virtually 0% intrinsic value. Stability is what the monetary system needs, because that is very important to develop the economy.

I think "intrinsic value" is bullshit.

I am very serious.  In fact, maybe "value" is even a flawed word.  Something has properties, which give it utility, which can be desirable for someone.
Value is always subjective. (see "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse").

So, you actually can't comprehend that gold has irreplaceable value in electronics?

Strawman much?
First off, I originally specifically said "Gold's monetary utility is also easily replaceable.", already taking into account that gold has other utility than just the monetary one.
Secondly, I was talking about the concept of intrinsic value in general.

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

you guys should edit the images with width=100 if you are going to quote each other back and forth

You are right, sorry. Fixed.

[Jacques_Bittard]

Strawman much?
First off, I originally specifically said "Gold's monetary utility is also easily replaceable.", already taking into account that gold has other utility than just the monetary one.
Secondly, I was talking about the concept of intrinsic value in general.

Firstly, I said that bitcoin would be far worse to use as gold as an monetary asset, because it has no intrinsic value, and that creates more instability. Now when you are telling that intrinsic value doesn't exist, then you are either trolling me or just confused Intrinsic value is based on the important needs of society. Electronics is a very important need in today's society. Telling that intrinsic value of gold is bullshit, is saying that we could very well live without electronics. Yeah you could. There are plenty of people living like that in PNG, go visit them and see how well their economy is doing

Please don't try to provoke needless arguments with me. While talking with markj113, I really felt good that I'm talking to someone who isn't a religious fiend. Please don't ruin this experience for me Bad intentions bring out the worse in me

[xhomerx10]

We don't need to read the charts to know when to buy the dip because Bittard shows up with diarrhea of the fingers every time!

[Jacques_Bittard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALKAh_bL5g
I hope that this lightens the mood I for instance am currently quite drunk

[markj113]

Strawman much?
First off, I originally specifically said "Gold's monetary utility is also easily replaceable.", already taking into account that gold has other utility than just the monetary one.
Secondly, I was talking about the concept of intrinsic value in general.

Firstly, I said that bitcoin would be far worse to use as gold as an monetary asset, because it has no intrinsic value, and that creates more instability. Now when you are telling that intrinsic value doesn't exist, then you are either trolling me or just confused Intrinsic value is based on the important needs of society. Electronics is a very important need in today's society. Telling that intrinsic value of gold is bullshit, is saying that we could very well live without electronics. Yeah you could. There are plenty of people living like that in PNG, go visit them and see how well their economy is doing

Please don't try to provoke needless arguments with me. While talking with markj113, I really felt good that I'm talking to someone who isn't a religious fiend. Please don't ruin this experience for me Bad intentions bring out the worse in me

This shows the power of gold as a monetary asset.

This is my Double gold Doubloon from Spain's King Phillip II's rein in the 1500's.

It still has purchase power 500 years later due the gold content.

[greensheep]

May the new gold be as successful as the old one!

[Jacques_Bittard]

Strawman much?
First off, I originally specifically said "Gold's monetary utility is also easily replaceable.", already taking into account that gold has other utility than just the monetary one.
Secondly, I was talking about the concept of intrinsic value in general.

Firstly, I said that bitcoin would be far worse to use as gold as an monetary asset, because it has no intrinsic value, and that creates more instability. Now when you are telling that intrinsic value doesn't exist, then you are either trolling me or just confused Intrinsic value is based on the important needs of society. Electronics is a very important need in today's society. Telling that intrinsic value of gold is bullshit, is saying that we could very well live without electronics. Yeah you could. There are plenty of people living like that in PNG, go visit them and see how well their economy is doing

Please don't try to provoke needless arguments with me. While talking with markj113, I really felt good that I'm talking to someone who isn't a religious fiend. Please don't ruin this experience for me Bad intentions bring out the worse in me

This shows the power of gold as a monetary asset.

This is my Double gold Doubloon from Spain's King Phillip II's rein in the 1500's.

It still has purchase power 500 years later due the gold content.

Nice pieces, but aren't their historical value higher then the value of their gold content?

[markj113]

May the new gold be as successful as the old one!

Indian Jones -Raiders of the lost ark II just wouldn't be the same with a paper wallet instead of a gold idol now would it

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

Intrinsic value is based on the important needs of society.

Do you even listen to yourself?  Intrinsic value is based on the needs of society....  
How do you call the needs of a society "intrinsic" to a piece of gold?  
And then you call me confused...

[markj113]

Nice pieces, but aren't their historical value higher then the value of their gold content?

Yes but same principle applies to old gold sovereigns for example that are over a hundred years old but only worth bullion values.

Do you even listen to yourself?  Intrinsic value is based on the needs of society....  
How do you call the needs of a society "intrinsic" to a piece of gold?  
And then you call me confused...

I thought he made that clear - industrial uses.  There are also cultural uses such as wedding rings and other jewellery, dentistry etc.

[bitcoinPsycho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALKAh_bL5g
I hope that this lightens the mood I for instance am currently quite drunk

for you retard:



dont get any ideas bob