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[Vin]

Shortists right now

[Icygreen]

Had to send another wire transfer at my bank. Facepalm... 40 minutes at the counter, teller had to go call someone then tells me to go home and wait for her call.   Already the following day and still having issues sending it.   Fucking dinosaur tech.  I'm so ready for BTC to file SWIFT into history.

I am struggling to understand why you need to to physically go to the bank in first place. What's the reason for not using online access for a wire transfer?

MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers. I can start an email request for it but then comes all the identity confirmation tasks and such. Best way is still to walk into the bank, wait in line, manually type in all the necessary information, codes, names, addresses, etc. then wait a bit longer while they sort out an unexpected problem.  A day or 2 later the wire finally sends and I cross my fingers that its not rejected.
Now wait 3-5 business days for it to land in the account. 

Like I said, Fucking Dinosaur! 

Forgot the last step, complain on forums. 

During my wait I mentioned bitcoin as being a much faster and easier transfer system to the clerk. She said, "Bitcoin? Is that really a thing?"   

[d_eddie]

During my wait I mentioned bitcoin as being a much faster and easier transfer system to the clerk. She said, "Bitcoin? Is that really a thing?"   

No, it's just code.

[Bitcoinaire]

With higher lows over the past 4 months, this entire correction since January is a bear trap on a longer time frame.

[JayJuanGee]

You buying some when you get back?  or what would be your "sufficient of enough dip" price point to buy?

Just got back and no, I can't afford to take advantage of this lovely buying opportunity.

I went down to do the paperwork (forking over a bunch of 500 peso bills and registering my constancias of ownership) on my second Mexican property, and ended up using up my fiat cash stash buying a third.  

I might actually have to (gasp!) sell a bit to make ends meet.

It was an offer I couldn't refuse though, a full hectare with a well for $50kMXN ($2.5kUSD). Motivated vendor.

Luckily, folks in those parts don't use banks. Cash rules.

Well?  Probably, it does not hurt to diversify a bit, and if you considered your property purchase to be decent, then  your diversification in that direction could pay off.

As far as "buying opportunity" in bitcoin, none of us can be sure about whether another "better" opportunity will come, but seems that over the past several years, you were able to acquire at least a decent sized stash in the below 4 digits price arena, and therefore, you don't really need to feel any kind of FOMO because of further price rises that might take place from here.

On a related note, there are likely going to be a large number of folks who did not get into bitcoin earlier, and they recognize the exorbitant price growth to $19,666 - and they are "perceiving" bubble and "perceiving" have to correct to a "certain level" such as below $5k or below $3k, and if such price dip does not happen, then they do not feel comfortable getting in, and they miss out, again.      to repeat the pattern at some price point between $50k and $100k, perhaps?

[realr0ach]

We don't have a proper government in the UK, and the arrest and imprisonment of Tommy Robinson may become more significnt thn the Italian crisis. It's opening up a massive can of worms.

[JayJuanGee]

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.    

yes...befuddled I am indeed.....my fingers are getting tired hanging this ledge over the abyss, however...

alas, in previous years 2013 to say Jan 2018 I was under the 'delusion' that I had an idea of wtf was going on...

yep...that cat left the house

I suppose someone can start a pool...when will Searing crack up and sell.....Ack!

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.   

 Well, Searing is close to (if not already) 65 years of age and on a fixed income now since he retired.  I realize he has some money from a 401k but now his overall wealth is probably fluctuating tremendously due to Bitcoin and it seems to me that his Bitcoin stash is what made him comfortable in his retirement decision. I can understand his concern.

Yep, this pretty much sums up my cowardice....dump the BTC as a sure thing, keep the Alts ..if the Alts pump, I missed making

more money because the BTC pumped...if the alts dump, well than obviously dumping the BTC was wise...

but if bitcoin dumps then the alts will dump too...and I will be doubly underwater

but yeah...essentially cowardice...on my part...

I admit that I feel a bit uncomfortable making fun at your expense, but I have to credit you with revealing the real dilemmas that exist, even when HODLing within a decent amount of profits (which seems to be your current situation).

Regarding a possible poll of "when Searing will crack?," that could be a fun one, but again such a topic would be at your expense, so such a poll could be a bit uncomfortable - except for the fact that you are acknowledging your own seeming precipice.

Regarding your outline of possibilities in front of you, I just conclude that you are so much embedded into a kind of gambling mentality and you are trying to play with all or nothing strategies, too much.  Why can't you be a bit more moderate about your approach without worrying so much?  Figure out a proportionality between various coins that make you comfortable, and then once you get that proportionality, then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat (if that is a comfortable amount for you), so that you will feel more comfortable in the event that prices of whichever crypto goes down. 

Personally, I would say fuck you to a lot of the alts, but you are seeming a lot more sympathetic to them, so perhaps, your allocation is going to end up way more heavily allocated in the alt direction that I would chose (and perhaps several guys - and gal - in this thread). 

[Searing]

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.    

yes...befuddled I am indeed.....my fingers are getting tired hanging this ledge over the abyss, however...

alas, in previous years 2013 to say Jan 2018 I was under the 'delusion' that I had an idea of wtf was going on...

yep...that cat left the house

I suppose someone can start a pool...when will Searing crack up and sell.....Ack!

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.   

 Well, Searing is close to (if not already) 65 years of age and on a fixed income now since he retired.  I realize he has some money from a 401k but now his overall wealth is probably fluctuating tremendously due to Bitcoin and it seems to me that his Bitcoin stash is what made him comfortable in his retirement decision. I can understand his concern.

Yep, this pretty much sums up my cowardice....dump the BTC as a sure thing, keep the Alts ..if the Alts pump, I missed making

more money because the BTC pumped...if the alts dump, well than obviously dumping the BTC was wise...

but if bitcoin dumps then the alts will dump too...and I will be doubly underwater

but yeah...essentially cowardice...on my part...

I admit that I feel a bit uncomfortable making fun at your expense, but I have to credit you with revealing the real dilemmas that exist, even when HODLing within a decent amount of profits (which seems to be your current situation).

Regarding a possible poll of "when Searing will crack?," that could be a fun one, but again such a topic would be at your expense, so such a poll could be a bit uncomfortable - except for the fact that you are acknowledging your own seeming precipice.

Regarding your outline of possibilities in front of you, I just conclude that you are so much embedded into a kind of gambling mentality and you are trying to play with all or nothing strategies, too much.  Why can't you be a bit more moderate about your approach without worrying so much?  Figure out a proportionality between various coins that make you comfortable, and then once you get that proportionality, then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat (if that is a comfortable amount for you), so that you will feel more comfortable in the event that prices of whichever crypto goes down. 

Personally, I would say fuck you to a lot of the alts, but you are seeming a lot more sympathetic to them, so perhaps, your allocation is going to end up way more heavily allocated in the alt direction that I would chose (and perhaps several guys - and gal - in this thread). 

Well, the ALTs up till recently or I should say still ..should be the ONLY thing I need to sell bit by bit, to get to

my 'unneeded and random' goal of reaching 66 years and full retirement, before 'touching' any of my 'traditional

investments' or social security. I can get Medicare at 65 a year earlier without issue. Thus as a 'random' goal

I can make the case of let it ride. The BTC Hoard....and no real issue with lifestyle.

The problem is *until recently* I was under the deluded viewpoint that i have some 'very small' angle on what

was going on with crypto and alts and mining....they now are all in flux and I am befuddled. My big miner

days will likely be wrapped up by July 4th, 2018 say as an appropriate end date. The price of BTC and ALTS

have 'halved' I think or more since 1/14/18 when I retired on the above 'iffy plan'.

On the other hand, I'm 63 years old, if I'm not gonna say 'to hell with it now' and take a chance...when?

So I flutter between outcomes....sell the alts, sell the btc, etc  trying to get the illusion back that at least

got me from 2013 till 2018 with SOME idea of wtf I am doing...those days seem to be gone. Truely, if all

that crypto does for me is allow me to retire 3 years early, at my same dubious lifestyle till the above

mentioned 66 years. Also, giving you guys a laugh at my expense does not hurt....good to have an ego

check on all this crypto stuff...

Anyway, crypto will work till it don't I guess....and I can decide to continue to ride or jump off...but

so far have resisted...there is NO WAY I can lose on any of the above .even if BTC goes to tulips

I am likely in no danger of having to go back to work for a living. Also this is the most fun using my

head on complex stuff, since i was in College, thus what? Back to 'internet cats' for intellectual stimulation?

Anyway, so far have resisted but if I did not have bitcointalk to 'bitch' about his or other stuff...I never

would have mined from 2013 onward and been in this dubious "first world problem" of shuffling crypto

vs usd about is HARD...sheesh ...I'm such a tool. As to dubious other off topic stuff I've done ...Is

I dumped 2.2 btc into LISK yesterday on that POS coin project. But that is my last hurrah with mining

done, adding to the LISK hoard......so we will see, it will be interesting to see what I do as well in the

future. But it is getting down to 'brace tack's" now....Alts are as good as they can get, BTC hoard secure

since 2015, big time pow scrypt mining is winding down, what? ICO's (don't trust them) masternodes?

(same not a clue) trading? can you guys see me trading crypto .you'd have to talk me off a microwave

tower...maybe that is it, when the fun/glamor/and your confidence goes on wth is going on..perhaps

pulling the plug on some/most is not a bad play...but then again, so many years of being called crazy

I'd hate for my friends/relatives/etc to be proved right if it all goes tulips....so again, will be interesting

to see what i do ..i've not a clue

Brad

[savetherainforest]

No way it goes to $3,000. Too many people will pile in if it goes anywhere near low $5,000’s.

Yep... probably will be just a flash crash from 5k to 3k! But I see things on the charts still according to the plan.

[Syke]

MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

[jojo69]

fax?

is that really a thing?

[infofront]

Still used a lot in business. Frankly, it's still easier than scanning in a document and emailing it.

[Ibian]

I noticed something on this thread.

The big and medium bitcoin stacks holder that are posting here for years turned to be talking like this now:

  1/ When bitcoin is dumping very hard = they post about bitcoin price in a very conservative bearish mode + less posts.

I think its normal when one is holding asset which value is substantially increasing (/decreasing)

 2/ ... The rich bitcoiners here talks very hard about jews, then silver, then jews, then silver.. and other bullshit topics ( thats the good manners of the rich bitcoiners).

I dont think r0ach is rich bitcoiner. I've read here, that he dumped all his bitcoins when they were still very cheap for metals. and now he is sour because of that :0

I know about him not having any bitcoin.

But they respond to him a lot of times then they switch to jews then other topics that arent related to bitcoin in general.

Roight mate, stop right there. Jews are the richest people in the world per capita and bitcoin could ultimately end up replacing the legacy fiat system. There are very few things more related to bitcoin than the jewish question.

[explorer]

Still used a lot in business. Frankly, it's still easier than scanning in a document and emailing it.

If your fax/scan machine is not too antiquated, it can email documents too!  I used to have one at work, but I stopped going there a few years ago.  It was too depressing.

[mymenace]

I noticed something on this thread.

The big and medium bitcoin stacks holder that are posting here for years turned to be talking like this now:

  1/ When bitcoin is dumping very hard = they post about bitcoin price in a very conservative bearish mode + less posts.

I think its normal when one is holding asset which value is substantially increasing (/decreasing)

 2/ ... The rich bitcoiners here talks very hard about jews, then silver, then jews, then silver.. and other bullshit topics ( thats the good manners of the rich bitcoiners).

I dont think r0ach is rich bitcoiner. I've read here, that he dumped all his bitcoins when they were still very cheap for metals. and now he is sour because of that :0

I know about him not having any bitcoin.

But they respond to him a lot of times then they switch to jews then other topics that arent related to bitcoin in general.

Roight mate, stop right there. Jews are the richest people in the world per capita and bitcoin could ultimately end up replacing the legacy fiat system. There are very few things more related to bitcoin than the jewish question.

Luvin it

Shapeshifters from the khazarian gypsies assimilating an ancient religion in the 8th to 10th century to stop persecution as well as obliterate and ensure the eventual demise of the Russia Tsar that invaded their homeland.

Constantly changing who they are and their name. Never the religion though.

History paints many stories


Is it true Jews were used as Royal financiers in the 19th century by the kings of Europe
No rights to anything, but some even housed in the palace to look after the Kings finances (A court Jew)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew


Would you want to kill or remove the monarchy if you were treated not as a citizen of the Royalty that you save money for?

What would happen to all the monarchies of the 19th/20th century?

[jojo69]

GDAX down for maintenance as scheduled

[mymenace]

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.    

yes...befuddled I am indeed.....my fingers are getting tired hanging this ledge over the abyss, however...

alas, in previous years 2013 to say Jan 2018 I was under the 'delusion' that I had an idea of wtf was going on...

yep...that cat left the house

I suppose someone can start a pool...when will Searing crack up and sell.....Ack!

The biggest pump and dump in the history of the world. Kudos, Bitcoiners!

The dark side I sense in you

ah hell, if that is the case it was a lot of fun....if it becomes 'Tulip City' so be it...I THINK I can squeak by till full retirement

on my 3 year retire early gig...so I guess, anything beyond pulling that stunt off is gravy...(or my start on self-justification for not selling and

in HODL mode...if it pans out to Tulips...a lousy 'go to hell' plan...but sheesh...most fun I've had these last 5 years since College...)

a fun ride ..we will see if it ends in a glide....or a crash...

You were here in 2013, this is nothing to worry about. Whale manipulation & mass accumulation stage. Don’t go anywhere until at least 2021.

Maybe you have noticed a pattern, LFC?    Searing seems to continuously talk as if he is getting scared out of his stash, but for some reason, he has continued to HODL on...... at least his online persona seems to have made that impression.    

 Well, Searing is close to (if not already) 65 years of age and on a fixed income now since he retired.  I realize he has some money from a 401k but now his overall wealth is probably fluctuating tremendously due to Bitcoin and it seems to me that his Bitcoin stash is what made him comfortable in his retirement decision. I can understand his concern.

Yep, this pretty much sums up my cowardice....dump the BTC as a sure thing, keep the Alts ..if the Alts pump, I missed making

more money because the BTC pumped...if the alts dump, well than obviously dumping the BTC was wise...

but if bitcoin dumps then the alts will dump too...and I will be doubly underwater

but yeah...essentially cowardice...on my part...

I admit that I feel a bit uncomfortable making fun at your expense, but I have to credit you with revealing the real dilemmas that exist, even when HODLing within a decent amount of profits (which seems to be your current situation).

Regarding a possible poll of "when Searing will crack?," that could be a fun one, but again such a topic would be at your expense, so such a poll could be a bit uncomfortable - except for the fact that you are acknowledging your own seeming precipice.

Regarding your outline of possibilities in front of you, I just conclude that you are so much embedded into a kind of gambling mentality and you are trying to play with all or nothing strategies, too much.  Why can't you be a bit more moderate about your approach without worrying so much?  Figure out a proportionality between various coins that make you comfortable, and then once you get that proportionality, then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat (if that is a comfortable amount for you), so that you will feel more comfortable in the event that prices of whichever crypto goes down.  

Personally, I would say fuck you to a lot of the alts, but you are seeming a lot more sympathetic to them, so perhaps, your allocation is going to end up way more heavily allocated in the alt direction that I would chose (and perhaps several guys - and gal - in this thread).  

Well, the ALTs up till recently or I should say still ..should be the ONLY thing I need to sell bit by bit, to get to

my 'unneeded and random' goal of reaching 66 years and full retirement, before 'touching' any of my 'traditional

investments' or social security. I can get Medicare at 65 a year earlier without issue. Thus as a 'random' goal

I can make the case of let it ride. The BTC Hoard....and no real issue with lifestyle.

The problem is *until recently* I was under the deluded viewpoint that i have some 'very small' angle on what

was going on with crypto and alts and mining....they now are all in flux and I am befuddled. My big miner

days will likely be wrapped up by July 4th, 2018 say as an appropriate end date. The price of BTC and ALTS

have 'halved' I think or more since 1/14/18 when I retired on the above 'iffy plan'.

On the other hand, I'm 63 years old, if I'm not gonna say 'to hell with it now' and take a chance...when?

So I flutter between outcomes....sell the alts, sell the btc, etc  trying to get the illusion back that at least

got me from 2013 till 2018 with SOME idea of wtf I am doing...those days seem to be gone. Truely, if all

that crypto does for me is allow me to retire 3 years early, at my same dubious lifestyle till the above

mentioned 66 years. Also, giving you guys a laugh at my expense does not hurt....good to have an ego

check on all this crypto stuff...

Anyway, crypto will work till it don't I guess....and I can decide to continue to ride or jump off...but

so far have resisted...there is NO WAY I can lose on any of the above .even if BTC goes to tulips

I am likely in no danger of having to go back to work for a living. Also this is the most fun using my

head on complex stuff, since i was in College, thus what? Back to 'internet cats' for intellectual stimulation?

Anyway, so far have resisted but if I did not have bitcointalk to 'bitch' about his or other stuff...I never

would have mined from 2013 onward and been in this dubious "first world problem" of shuffling crypto

vs usd about is HARD...sheesh ...I'm such a tool. As to dubious other off topic stuff I've done ...Is

I dumped 2.2 btc into LISK yesterday on that POS coin project. But that is my last hurrah with mining

done, adding to the LISK hoard......so we will see, it will be interesting to see what I do as well in the

future. But it is getting down to 'brace tack's" now....Alts are as good as they can get, BTC hoard secure

since 2015, big time pow scrypt mining is winding down, what? ICO's (don't trust them) masternodes?

(same not a clue) trading? can you guys see me trading crypto .you'd have to talk me off a microwave

tower...maybe that is it, when the fun/glamor/and your confidence goes on wth is going on..perhaps

pulling the plug on some/most is not a bad play...but then again, so many years of being called crazy

I'd hate for my friends/relatives/etc to be proved right if it all goes tulips....so again, will be interesting

to see what i do ..i've not a clue

Brad

Perfect

..."then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat"...
Metal, Stocks, Real estate as well if you can

Was having the same problem

This solved it

still doubt how much to sell and when but the skim makes you feel comfortable

If it all goes away you got more than what you started at

Cheerin

[jojo69]

GDAX back online

[bitserve]

MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

I had no idea banks like that still existed after the change to 21 century... Not that I would be using any of those not even in the nineties. There are no other banks available to you with proper internet access?

You guys are (almost) making me appreciate the "good" banks I do use when I don't even remember when was the last time I had to physically walk into one. Wire transfers are also completely hassle free and in some cases (SEPA transfers) almost instant.

It's the matter that they could just wipe out or freeze my funds at any time what has always worried me.... other than that, they are pretty convenient to "use".

[Searing]

MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

I had no idea banks like that still existed after the change to 21 century... Not that I would be using any of those not even in the nineties. There are no other banks available to you with proper internet access?

You guys are (almost) making me appreciate the "good" banks I do use when I don't even remember when was the last time I had to physically walk into one. Wire transfers are also completely hassle free and in some cases (SEPA transfers) almost instant.

It's the matter that they could just wipe out or freeze my funds at any time what has always worried me.... other than that, they are pretty convenient to "use".

use a commercial bank... I had a bank in 2013....i said I needed it in USD to Sweden for knc machines....they said no problem..the bank had a bot that auto changed

so they could nickel and dime some extra cash with the USD to other currencies kinda scam...bit here, bit there....was lost for 31 days..till fixed by hand, lucky knc waited


later


the same bank had a banker who heard I was into BTC in 2013..there was one of those 99,999.99 bank error slips sent to me in the mail..the bank manager

called the SEC on me...on speaker phone, the SEC guy was wtf when I showed the payment to knc of like 11,900 or some such..not 99,,9999.99 or whatever

the banker then did what and tried to cover his ass with the SEC guy...as

I expected and said BTC was evil and I must be cheating on taxes...got a CPA on this eventually previous to meeting (needs must when the devil drives)

on just this scenario

slapped the CPA completed taxes down with a FU and that pretty much ended that meeting with the SEC guy saying on speaker phone, 'why the hell am I here?'

So pure as the driven snow with IRS and SEC since....and the CPA actually saved me more $$$ due to asic equipment in 2013 to this day...

so yeah, get a commercial bank...that is what they are there for ...do your research...the bank was national tcf by the way...avoid

brad