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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 3 (3.8%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.3%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.5%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15%)
$95K to $100K - 13 (16.3%)
>$100K - 40 (50%)
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Boom and bust is human-driven not fiat-driven

Boom and bust is all your hopes, expectiations, sorrows.

Bitcoin is boom and bust.
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April 16, 2020, 10:39:50 AM

What's the point in trying to find a work if you receive USD 2,000 per month?
Just move to (holy shit, what are these tracking elements in this URL???)Mississippi and live as a  King.

Have you been to Mississippi?

Also 2k is beans in terms of amount to live properly on. Especially if the USD is going to crap. The bigger problem is my salary wull soon have the buying power of a pakastani bricklayer.

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April 16, 2020, 10:46:04 AM

What's the point in trying to find a work if you receive USD 2,000 per month?
Just move to (holy shit, what are these tracking elements in this URL???)Mississippi and live as a  King.

Have you been to Mississippi?

Also 2k is beans in terms of amount to live properly on. Especially if the USD is going to crap. The bigger problem is my salary wull soon have the buying power of a pakastani bricklayer.


Never been to Mississippi, just Googled the cheapest State and picked first result.
I was only meaning that USD 2,000 Could last a month there while probably one week in Bay Area.
And I wouldn't mind too much about inflation.
Before going full Zimbawe you can always spend your own oil, so not importing much inflation due to weakening USD, while rather you would be quite successful exporting your products.

EDIT: Sub 7k again. Emotionless price observing until Vegeta again. Wait, any contest on Vegeta posting?


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April 16, 2020, 10:46:38 AM

7th WO/7k again, this is fine.

Nice green dildo, but I'm with LFC_Bitcoin on this: with such fuel 8k may be not too hard to reach today.

5600 is more likely
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April 16, 2020, 10:50:35 AM

7th WO/7k again, this is fine.

Nice green dildo, but I'm with LFC_Bitcoin on this: with such fuel 8k may be not too hard to reach today.

5600 is more likely
56000 more like.
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7th WO/7k again, this is fine.

Nice green dildo, but I'm with LFC_Bitcoin on this: with such fuel 8k may be not too hard to reach today.

5600 is more likely
56000 more like.

you've been saying that for the last 5 years.

Been in a bear market for 2.5 of those years
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7th WO/7k again, this is fine.

Nice green dildo, but I'm with LFC_Bitcoin on this: with such fuel 8k may be not too hard to reach today.

5600 is more likely
56000 more like.

you've been saying that for the last 5 years.

Been in a bear market for 2.5 of those years
And I stand by it just as I said in 2013 it would hit $10000

"Bear market"  holders unaffected

good health to you kind sir
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April 16, 2020, 11:51:14 AM


I am watching for the Western MSM narrative to sour on China in the next weeks, then we will know it is on.


Fox is running with the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab accident angle tonight.

So they dropped the "Chinaman fucking a bat" angle? Hm....

what happens in the labs stays in the labs.

well, shit
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April 16, 2020, 11:58:44 AM
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7th WO/7k again, this is fine.

Nice green dildo, but I'm with LFC_Bitcoin on this: with such fuel 8k may be not too hard to reach today.

5600 is more likely
56000 more like.

you've been saying that for the last 5 years.

Been in a bear market for 2.5 of those years
And I stand by it just as I said in 2013 it would hit $10000

"Bear market"  holders unaffected

good health to you kind sir
Traders job is to trick weak hands like joinov to sell with the trend in fear of losing. Or even better, to lure them into shitcoins with promisses of better profit. Holders can't be tricked. Bear market bla bla bla. And in several years - boom 50K (at least)! Deja vu.
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Some dislocations:

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Chart with upwards trend $USDT Balance on Exchanges (1d MA) just reached an ATH of 1,661,769,830.684 USDT

Previous ATH of 1,661,209,417.084 USDT was observed on 15 April 2020

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https://t.co/Hpeb0LFt3p?amp=1



https://twitter.com/glassnodealerts/status/1250655522044477440?s=20

So someone is amassing powder into the exchange, ready to fire a big cannon.


Also.
Very nice read I found:
Nothing new, but well written and forwardable to any nocoiner yet to be converted.


Money Is Losing Its Meaning





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(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Doing “whatever it takes” to save the global economy from the coronavirus pandemic is going to cost a lot of money. The U.S. government alone is spending a few trillion dollars, and the Federal Reserve is creating another few trillion dollars to keep the financial system from collapsing. A custom Bloomberg index measuring M2 figures for 12 major economies including the U.S., China, euro zone and Japan shows their aggregate money supply had already more than doubled to $80 trillion from before the 2008-2009 financial crisis.

These numbers are so large that they no longer have any meaning; they are simply abstractions. It’s been some time since people thought about the concept of money and its purpose. The broad idea is that money has value, but that value is not arbitrary. Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker once said in an interview that “it is a governmental responsibility to maintain the value of the currency they issue. And when they fail to do that, it is something that undermines an essential trust in government.”

The dollar has no real intrinsic value, backed only by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. Under a fiat currency system, the government says that a dollar is a dollar. Its value relative to things such as other currencies and gold is determined on global markets. Gold is considered to be an objective store of value, and the metal’s rise in dollar terms can be expressed another way, which is that the dollar fell in gold terms. That implies the market has rendered a decision on the value, or rather, the purchasing power of the dollar.

The three main functions of a currency are as a unit of account, a medium of exchange and a store of value. It is that last function that is most important. Ideally, a central bank would want its currency to retain its value over time. The era of flexible monetary standards, however, allow central banks to manipulate a currency’s value to help fight recessions as well as smooth out and lengthen business cycles at the expense of inflation. But even low inflation, say on the order of  2%, will greatly erode the purchasing power of a currency over time.

And if there are too many dollars in circulation, the monetarists would say that the value of those dollars has diminished, eventually leading to higher prices for things. That theory hasn’t worked too well in the last decade, because inflation has been low and stable, but it is too soon to declare it discredited. The transmission mechanism that results in inflation is not well understood, even 45 years after the last great period of inflation.

It took a while, but it seems as though the U.S. government has decided that it has no constraints on its spending, as long as the Fed continues to monetize government borrowing by purchasing the debt issued to finance expenditures. It’s not crazy to think government spending may reach $10 trillion – for just one year! And the numbers will go up from there.

Nobody really knows how this is going to turn out. In smaller economies, runaway government spending has resulted in hyperinflation and social unrest, such as well-documented cases in Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Many think that wouldn’t be possible in the U.S. given the dollar’s role as the world’s primary reserve currency. Perhaps, but it’s not one of those questions we’d really want to experiment with.

If all this money that’s being created does spark inflation, or at least boost inflation expectations, it will be difficult - if not impossible - to reverse. Inflation rates soared in 1979, but that was during a time, unlike now, when most government officials believed that balanced budgets and careful spending were important. A blistering series of interest-rate hikes pummeled inflation expectations, but the result was a hurricane-force recession. Argentina, which has more or less been practicing MMT for some time, proves that it’s hard to put the inflation genie back in the bottle. Argentines have been hoarding dollars—the only practical store of value, other than gold—for decades. They probably view recent events in the U.S. with some trepidation.

The counterexample to all this is Japan, which historically has had the most debt relative to the size of its economy and the most radical monetary policy, and yet has a peaceful, productive society with scant inflation. Demographics explain a lot about inflation and inflation expectations, and Japan’s steadily declining and aging population has put downward pressure on prices for years in spite of all the printing. Economists and central banks generally fear deflation more than inflation because it can hinder investment. History has shown that persistently high inflation rips societies apart; in deflation, people band together.

Throughout Venezuela’s economic crisis, we saw images of ordinary Venezuelans tossing their useless bolivars in the streets. That is what happens when money has lost all meaning; it is in jeopardy of becoming a commodity when it is supposed to be a scarce resource. There are a million reasons why the U.S. will never meet the same fate as Venezuela, but you still don’t want to tamper with people’s perception of the value of money. After you throw a few trillion dollars around, people start to believe that it’s all a big joke.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Bloomberg LP and its owners.

Jared Dillian is the editor and publisher of The Daily Dirtnap, investment strategist at Mauldin Economics, and the author of "Street Freak" and "All the Evil of This World." He may have a stake in the areas he writes about.

For more articles like this, please visit us at bloomberg.com/opinion

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@fillippone

Hmmmm lots of USDT, ready & waiting to spark a significant pump. It’s too quiet atm isn’t it, feels like the calm before a storm. This faux battle at $7,000 seems insignificant. All the weak hands are getting shaken out every time we go below $7,000. I expect a violent surge upwards before the halving. It’s been a long time coming.
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April 16, 2020, 12:19:44 PM

@fillippone

Hmmmm lots of USDT, ready & waiting to spark a significant pump. It’s too quiet atm isn’t it, feels like the calm before a storm. This faux battle at $7,000 seems insignificant. All the weak hands are getting shaken out every time we go below $7,000. I expect a violent surge upwards before the halving. It’s been a long time coming.
My body is ready.
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@fillippone

Hmmmm lots of USDT, ready & waiting to spark a significant pump. It’s too quiet atm isn’t it, feels like the calm before a storm. This faux battle at $7,000 seems insignificant. All the weak hands are getting shaken out every time we go below $7,000. I expect a violent surge upwards before the halving. It’s been a long time coming.
My body is ready.


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Hmmmm lots of USDT, ready & waiting to spark a significant pump. It’s too quiet atm isn’t it, feels like the calm before a storm. This faux battle at $7,000 seems insignificant. All the weak hands are getting shaken out every time we go below $7,000. I expect a violent surge upwards before the halving. It’s been a long time coming.
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The USDT market cap has increased with 1.7 Bil up to 6.3 Bil, since 29th March. With an average price of 9K, this would mean 150K bitcoins.  We don't know the intentions of the USDT buyer(s), but it is possible that some good part of it  will go into Bitcoin. Not that I believe 100% in that. I just won't be surprised if Bitfinex returns with some 2017 style pumps.
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It just goes to show how incredibly hard it is to be a hodler and how few can do it.

It sounds easy, but in practice, only a person who sees more bitcoin as the goal rather than more fiat can do it.

Taking profits means getting more bitcoin, anyone thinking the other way will not make it to the holy land. There are many more tests ahead.

I don't know about the rest of the WO, but I can't sleep if I have fiat, it's too risky.

Love that point of view. I simultaneously cringe and rejoice when it goes down, watching my holdings in red and buying more. Same when it goes up because I can buy less for same amount of fiat. I've been practicing disciplined DCA'ing though to combat my natural FOMO temptations on either side of the rise/fall curve.
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I am watching for the Western MSM narrative to sour on China in the next weeks, then we will know it is on.


Fox is running with the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab accident angle tonight.

guess what

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

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(CNN)US intelligence and national security officials say the United States government is looking into the possibility that the novel coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory rather than a market, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter who caution it is premature to draw any conclusions.
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They had a few months by now to shred any evidence
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