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Part of me is fucking concerned if I’m honest.

My gut is telling me S2F falls apart soon. In shambles and an afterthought by March 2022.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think we should expect a slower rise than some are anticipating.

seconded.
But by all means, i don't follow the "fool of the bulls" argument from Torque. Bulls know how capitulation looks like, wait for it then and get in (around the infamous "mindrust point").

Even though I can recognize some value in a buying a dip approach, many of us need to be careful with any such approach that is going to hold large quantities of our fiat waiting for dips that do not end up happening.

Of course, we are going to feel smart as fuck if we end up buying upon a mindrust kind of moment.. but those kinds of moments are definitely difficult to identify and/or prepare for.

I am not really writing my response for you OOM, but instead about your seemingly misleading comment in regards to your rendition of your buying on the dip intentions/practices.

Let's say that anyone who has already accumulated a decent bitcoin stash, but that same person is trying to time some of the BIGGER BTC price swings in order to get some additional profits from what is a somewhat inevitability in bitcoin, which is decently high volatility.  So, a kind of presumption is that person is already pretty well prepared for UP, they just want to supplement their BTC stash with some additional BTC from the quite likely inevitable BTC price dips.  My suggestion would still be to figure out some kind of a formula that attempts to anticipate the most extreme that we might expect any dip to be able to go, and to stagger buys at various points on the way down, and surely still hopefully being able to take advantage of the most extreme aspects of the extremes... if those extremes were to end up happening.  

One possible measurement would be to use weekly moving averages, and I consider the 208-week moving average (currently $16,000-ish) to be the now current measure of extreme of BTC price lows for bear markets and the 104-week moving average (currently $24,000-ish) to be the now current measure of extreme BTC price lows for bull markets.  Accordingly, staggered buy (buy on dip) orders could be set to go down to something around those levels of extremes..

I hilighted the part my "seconded" was referring to. The slower than anticipated price rise. Some WO's granny predicted 80k (we don't know if € or $, yet), and i feel this could also be the top in 2021, while it absolutely says nothing about 2022, maybe in Q1 we can see double figures or three times as much before possible blowoff or consolidation.
All just SOMA.

As for moveing averages, i'd search for those that fit past cycles best. I don't care if i set most of my orders higher, just to avoid remaining, sitting on a bag of slowly decreasing fiat money. $16k would be more than four times as much as 2019's bottom, which you could clearly see (and i bought a little of BTC when it was on the rise again, shortly after). I mean that last high-volume drop up to -45%. Even if it doesn't happen in future times, when you sell on the way up, which i got a small part of my stash for, it doesn't really matter if you buy around mindrust or 10-20% higher, also if the price goes deeper before rising again. So i won't make 1000% of the amount i sold on the way up, but 700-800% which is enough. Imagine 5BTC, total, i decide to sell 0.5 more or less near the cycle top and buy 2-3 at the bottom +10%, i still total at least 6.5 BTC.
Being greedy (daytrading) didn't really work for me, so i'm playing the patience game, dropping free money into small dips.
 
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However, i'd need a new car within the next two years, solar power my home and pay off approx. $12k to the government to free myself from a payback plan from the government. Only the latter is really important, because otherwise i'd have to pay it off for the next 15 years for about double as much (mainly interest).
I can easily hodl the majority of my/the family stash for one or two decades.

You are not going to get any arguments from me in regards to attempting to anticipate and prioritize your expenses... which I agree is a good thing to do at the best of your ability and perhaps to tweak from time to time too, for example as your wife nags you about how her priorities (or even choices in expenses) might be different from yours.. and you cave in like a little wimp (not even saying that you are an actual wimp, in real life).. .. hahahahaha


My wife is different. We magically seem to agree on the "we want" part of expenses, while she pays the "i want" part by herself, and she also has bitcoin (as a reserve for the future), so if she's desperate for more money, she would just pay out a bit of her stash. I am aware that i'm very lucky with her, compared to most couples i know, which become pretty function-oriented partnerships based on compromises. We don't need that.

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Y'all remember that get-rich-quick-vs.-not-get poor-slowly quote, right?

For sure.. relatively speaking having bitcoin in your portfolio (whether apportioned appropriately or not) will likely help with the not getting poor aspect.. but there still could be some getting rich more quickly than expected (or more rich than expected) aspects that inadvertently come by holding bitcoin, too.. .even if the getting richie part might not have been the main goal (for sure, it has already happened to quite a few of those of us who have been in a while and have been somewhat aggressive with our approach.. not even saying that 0.21 BTC would not be a good aggressive starting point, currently.. then working your way up to 0.63BTC, then 1 BTC, then 2 BTC, then 10 BTC, then 21 BTC.. etc.. no normie is ever going to need more than 21 BTC, right?).

Also, I remember that you had started out your post by agreeing that S2F is potentially "falling apart soon," but you hardly made any arguments or assertion to support such likely to be baloney "agreement.".. but of course, you (and others) can believe what you want in terms of what are currently the most credible of the BTC prediction models or even to spin (or should it be "roll"?) your own likely to be wrong and based on gut feelings BTC price prediction model(s), too.

Edited a few of the above ideas 30 minutes after the original post, to clarify what I had been attempting to say

I believe in S2F, but as you can see, the "ballpark lines" (steps?) are long at the same levels, so the top could be in Q2, even in Q3 of 2022.
But then, as i originally meant it, the price will have to rise more slowly than compared to 2017.
The model is not "wrong", but imprecise. The market has to move a fucking lot of money to re-draw 2017's chart this year. Call me bearish, but i doubt that.
I would not be angry in any way if i'm wrong and we see $330k or more in dec/jan, but more the opposite.
BTW: Have you had a look into S2FX, yet?  

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IDK, but i think i like it  Cool

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Anybody like to share their thoughts on the current market, price action?

It looks weak AF to me. I mean, I think everything is OK & we should rally in Q4 but we really need to start moving up soon. Part of me is fucking concerned if I’m honest.

It's always darkest before the dawn. September hasn't been particularly great for BTC since the beginning. Our targets for Q4:
October = new ATH (over $60k)
November = up to around $100-120k
December = blowoff top anywhere between $200-450k

So stop whining and get ready to get your face melted by this epic rally...  Cool


The pattern is simple

so far....



2012            ~$7.10
2013            ~$1,163        =  ~7 times the next low
2015            ~$152           =  ~20 times the previous low
2017            ~$19,666      =  ~7 times the next low
2019            ~$3,122        =  ~20 times the previous low
2021            ~$420,000    =   ~7 times the next low
2023            ~$60,000      =  ~20 times the previous low
2025            ~$8,400,000   


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Bah. It appears you may be correct. Oh well. Off to take a nap...
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Anybody like to share their thoughts on the current market, price action?

It looks weak AF to me. I mean, I think everything is OK & we should rally in Q4 but we really need to start moving up soon. Part of me is fucking concerned if I’m honest.

It's always darkest before the dawn. September hasn't been particularly great for BTC since the beginning. Our targets for Q4:
October = new ATH (over $60k)
November = up to around $100-120k
December = blowoff top anywhere between $200-450k

So stop whining and get ready to get your face melted by this epic rally...  Cool


The pattern is simple

so far....



2012            ~$7.10
2013            ~$1,163        =  ~7 times the next low
2015            ~$152           =  ~20 times the previous low
2017            ~$19,666      =  ~7 times the next low
2019            ~$3,122        =  ~20 times the previous low
2021            ~$420,000    =   ~7 times the next low
2023            ~$60,000      =  ~20 times the previous low
2025            ~$8,400,000   


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Such maths! Did you go to the Proudhon School of Mathematics?



serveria dude, I know you’re not that smart, so stop meriting bullshit posts that you cannot post yourself.
Still waiting for the link/tweet of $450k, by the man himself. No?
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At least, this should be cheering news after now that we have come to associate the Chinese with ceaseless bans on Bitcoin and crypto related activities. The U.S., through Mr Powell, affirms she "has no plans to ban Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies."

Source: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/federal-reserve-chair-jerome-powell-u-s-has-no-plans-to-ban-bitcoin-and-crypto
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Anybody like to share their thoughts on the current market, price action?

It looks weak AF to me. I mean, I think everything is OK & we should rally in Q4 but we really need to start moving up soon. Part of me is fucking concerned if I’m honest.

It's always darkest before the dawn. September hasn't been particularly great for BTC since the beginning. Our targets for Q4:
October = new ATH (over $60k)
November = up to around $100-120k
December = blowoff top anywhere between $200-450k

So stop whining and get ready to get your face melted by this epic rally...  Cool


The pattern is simple

so far....



2012            ~$7.10
2013            ~$1,163        =  ~7 times the next low
2015            ~$152           =  ~20 times the previous low
2017            ~$19,666      =  ~7 times the next low
2019            ~$3,122        =  ~20 times the previous low
2021            ~$420,000    =   ~7 times the next low
2023            ~$60,000      =  ~20 times the previous low
2025            ~$8,400,000   


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Such maths! Did you go to the Proudhon School of Mathematics?



serveria dude, I know you’re not that smart, so stop meriting bullshit posts that you cannot post yourself.
Still waiting for the link/tweet of $450k, by the man himself. No?

No really, why you keep telling me what I should do? Am I telling you whom to merit? I will merit whoever I want. Period. And remember I told you to go and jerk off? Did you do it? 

P.S. I dunno if you're blind or retarded (or most likely both) but here it is:



You're too dumb and stubborn to admit you were wrong, you'll just keep denying it.  Cool
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Hope I'm wrong, but I think we should expect a slower rise than some are anticipating.

Tell that to this lying son of a bitch:

December = blowoff top anywhere between $200-450k

Anything above $288k is just not realistic, cause it breaks the S2F from the upper side. Get a grip. Ease the cocaine.

There is not really an upside ceiling for this cycle, unless maybe we suggest somewhere in the supra $1.5 million territory by 3rd quarter 2022 as being a possible maximum stress price arena.



Hashrate looks pretty damned good to me.

It’s around the levels of November 2020, and it’s the reason of my concern ($10k>$60k vs $40k>?), you previously skipped so nicely.

Good to skip your nonsense because past hashrate does not limit where present or future BTC prices can go or will go.  I am not suggesting hashrates falling precipitously is even within realms of likelihood, but we could end up with hashrate levels that are lower than in the 2015 time period, and bitcoin would still survive because of difficulty adjustment.. have you heard of it? 

Seems that you may well NOT be looking at hashrate from the right angle - that's why you are spouting out doom and gloom nonsense about some kind of supposed absolute need for hashrate to continue to go up blah blah blah or bitcoin is ded. blah blah blah.  Did I say nonsense?  Just in case I had not said it.. nonsense...

Bitcoin is doing its thing in regard to ongoing difficulty adjustments and the creation of incentives that seems quite amazing in the whole scheme of things.

True dat. In a sense, this is the BTC Hashrate Observer.

It is not the hashrate observer, but hashrate is one of the components that are interesting and amazing about bitcoin that causes it to be such an amazing paradigm-shifting phenomena that probably would NOT have broken prior centralization grounds had it not been for some of the balancing of factors, including the whole tying in of proof of work into a 2,016 block difficulty adjustment that might well be somewhat random, but surely seems to allow for a decent amount of balancing of incentives and to stave off pretty damned potentially BIG attacks upon it.

If there is something specific that bothers you, then please let us know, rather than being mysterious about what appears to be fantastical, rather than real, attempts at FUD spreading assertions.

I’m balls deep in BTC, and I’m spreading “FUD”, because you don’t agree? Whatever you say Jay.

Ok.  if you are not spreading FUD, then you seem to be a delusional and disoriented little twat. That is "whatever I say" at this particular moment.

We've been doing this for so many years, what's a year or two more?

I don't mind your overall idea, but bitcoin may well disappoint us.

A year seems to be the outside for our next likely blow off top.. .for sure, I don't really given any shits if it might take longer or even if it might not happen, but the likelihood seems to be that we are going to end up getting some kind of a blow off top within 3 to 12 months.. and even 12 months seems to be stretching it..   and, golly gee, I know that BTC really does not like to cooperate with strict predictions, but I hate to be giving emphasis to frameworks that are less likely, including your 1 to 2 year proclamation.. for whatever that's worth?


And, as OOM rightly says, always remember Mindrust and never do what he did.

That's a low bar.... but o.k... sure.. we (royal that is) can go with that.. it's not wrong..

Right sequence (IMHO): Buy ---> HoDL (and accumulate/BTFD/DCA) ---> Rich level (whatever that means for each of us) ---> Sell to use, not to keep in the bank ---> Always have skin in the game.

This is not wrong, either.. but surely, we have to consider that some of these considerations are going to have greater or lesser emphasis for guys who are quite young in their years versus someone who is quite older and even considering an investment timeline for less than 4 years.

Of course, in late 2013, when I got into bitcoin, I had thought that a minimum of 1 year investment timeline (to have the long-term versus short term capital gains option), but at the same time, I was thinking that I wanted to shoot for a minimum of two years even though my more absolute minimum was to attempt to give BTC investing a year and study BTC along the way and to see how it goes.

In recent times, I have been suggesting that wannabe bitcoin accumulators/holders should be coming into bitcoin with at least a 4-year investment timeline, and even though many of us have been able to profit quite stupendously with one or two cycles of being involved in BTC, there seems to be some evidence that some of the degree of BTC price appreciation is NOT going to be as great, even if the downside potential seems to have become less of a concern, too.

Part of my point would be considerations of the amount of patience that could be needed to reach various levels of richie status and to be expecting that a BTC investor might have moved mostly past accumulation stage and into maintenance or liquidation stage - as well as considering ways in which the cycles might be attempted to be played to his/her advantage no matter which stage s/he perceives him/her lil selfie to be within.

There can be a lot of holy shit and even mistakes that are made through trying to play cycles without even necessarily going to to the level of mindrust, and surely I am not really saying anything much different than you, AlcoHoDL, except for merely striving to emphasize that mistakes can be made in terms of ways to attempt to accumulate BTC or to consider accelerating accumulation that fall way short of mindrusting the matter, but still end up in a lot of seemingly unnecessary risk-taking while potentially resulting in BTC portfolio performance levels that end up way underperforming pure DCA strategies (with likely less psychological trauma, too).

And... enough with the name calling, you fucks!

I am going to admit to being a "name caller," or the employment of name calling tactics from time to time as necessary.    Cry Cry Cry  I hate to admit to anything that could be used against me, but I will make an exception..... this time.
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No really, why you keep telling me what I should do? Am I telling you whom to merit? I will merit whoever I want. Period.

Of course you have free will, it’s just you’re feeding me with a lot more info about the group - that I previously thought possible.


And remember I told you to go and jerk off? Did you do it?  

No. But I often jerk off, it’s good for the prostate.


P.S. I dunno if you're blind or retarded (or most likely both) but here it is:



You're too dumb and stubborn to admit you were wrong, you'll just keep denying it.  Cool

Big ooopppsss you brazen lying cunt. This is not a link, it’s a screenshot - only you know from where.

Just checked PlanB’s tweet’s all the way to June 20. He has two tweets on that day, and your screenshot is not one of them.
Adjacent on the 21st he has a poll, and on the 19th a “death cross” tweet.

Anyone can check for himself. I can’t be bothered with your cunt. Fucking pussy.
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Hey you unvaccinated assholes, it is YOUR fault this extremely dangerous pandemic is still spreading.
Covid spread from animals (please believe me) so by vaccinating all humans we can get ready of Covid entirely, even though it still spreads in humans when you are vaccinated also.

If you were a healthcare worker last year then I salute you and will clap every Thursday for you.
But this year if you are still a healthcare worker and are not quadruple jabbed then shame on you, YOU are the problem!

If you are unvaccinated and participate in this Bitcoin pyramid scheme it is especially your fault that unvaccinated criminals can make money.

I hope you are happy with your choices in life!




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No really, why you keep telling me what I should do? Am I telling you whom to merit? I will merit whoever I want. Period.

Of course you have free will, it’s just you’re feeding me with a lot more info about the group - that I previously thought possible.


And remember I told you to go and jerk off? Did you do it?  

No. But I often jerk off, it’s good for the prostate.


P.S. I dunno if you're blind or retarded (or most likely both) but here it is:



You're too dumb and stubborn to admit you were wrong, you'll just keep denying it.  Cool

Big ooopppsss you brazen lying cunt. This is not a link, it’s a screenshot - only you know from where.

Just checked PlanB’s tweet’s all the way to June 20. He has two tweets on that day, and your screenshot is not one of them.
Adjacent on the 21st he has a poll, and on the 19th a “death cross” tweet.

Anyone can check for himself. I can’t be bothered with your cunt. Fucking pussy.
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And remember I told you to go and jerk off? Did you do it?  

No. But I often jerk off, it’s good for the prostate.

You should do it more often because that sexual tension you know... it's getting obvious...  Grin

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You're too dumb and stubborn to admit you were wrong, you'll just keep denying it.  Cool

Big ooopppsss you brazen lying cunt. This is not a link, it’s a screenshot - only you know from where.

Just checked PlanB’s tweet’s all the way to June 20. He has two tweets on that day, and your screenshot is not one of them.
Adjacent on the 21st he has a poll, and on the 19th a “death cross” tweet.

Anyone can check for himself. I can’t be bothered with your cunt. Fucking pussy.

OMG I told you this guy is hopeless... ok I'll spoon-feed you one last time my retarded friend: a hint - in Twitter there are REPLIES and authors can reply to their own tweets. Look there. Even peeps with vegetable IQ know that.  Grin
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OK, fair enough.
I don’t use twitter, so there is that.

I apologise for that serveria. Just for that, mind you.



You should do it more often because that sexual tension you know... it's getting obvious...  Grin

Fuck off man, that’s on you.


OMG I told you this guy is hopeless... ok I'll spoon-feed you one last time my retarded friend: a hint - in Twitter there are REPLIES and authors can reply to their own tweets. Look there. Even peeps with vegetable IQ know that.  Grin

Oh no you don’t. If you weren’t such a massive cunt in the first place, you would have posted a link.
Spoon feed your other accounts, not me, boyo.
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