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[lightfoot]

Well, was his event there a mistake? Paying that much over normal on chain transactions would be unusual and not something to rely on. Kind of like high luck levels when hitting a block.

I'm fascinated with Bob's work on Lightning, and really glad he's making the date he finds public here. Please do keep it up....

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[Richy_T]

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Third time today we've seen something like that. Something up with Bitstamp?

[BobLawblaw]

Not against it just not sure if it is good or not good.

...and this is partly the reason I'm so frustrated and becoming overwhelmed.

I don't know how to answer any of your questions at this time. I'm going down a strange rabbit hole, and it's entirely uncomfortable to say the least.

[ChartBuddy]

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[ChartBuddy]

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[philipma1957]

Not against it just not sure if it is good or not good.

...and this is partly the reason I'm so frustrated and becoming overwhelmed.

I don't know how to answer any of your questions at this time. I'm going down a strange rabbit hole, and it's entirely uncomfortable to say the least.

Yeah so in one month you received. 0.00062614 btc or about 0.00730000 in a yeah.

its late and I am tired I may have missed a .0

I know you have spent quite a bit of coin testing.

keep tossing stats. we have some good guys and can try to understand what returns per year are and what risk is to lose .

[JayJuanGee]

The situation for us HODLers/accumulators could be worse...

I understand that some folks have dilemmas regarding whether they should be buying MOAR at these levels... or just be HODLing through it.

There are surely some other kinds of peeps who are waiting... and they have been historically known as fence-sitters... and sure they might not even consider themselves as either waiting or fence-sitters because some of them are somewhat apathetic in regards to having any kind of belief that bitcoin is capable of helping their future self for these increasingly weird times that we are in, but what else is new?

I am not even going to say that the pattern is repeating exactly.. because the times are surely strange - and frequently people will keep engaged in their same kinds of attempts at normalcy and considering that at some point things are going to go back to the way that they were.. Things are not necessarily going to get worse, right?  Just go at thing day by day, even while aspects of their lives are way more related to macro-financial denigrations than they realize.. ... The balls can stay in the air.. right?    

Maybe the question for the fence-sitters who do not realize that they are fence-sitters would be: "have you taken any actions in terms of even trying to get off of zero, such as setting up some kinds of BTC-related accounts?"  Might not be a bad time to start.  No time like the present, right.. price is nice and "stable"... hahahahaha  stable?  right.  There are some folks who believe in stable in the short-term, and I am not even saying that I have any better clue at short-term direction.. .. in that regard, we are teetering just below a price that would put me over 50/50 that the bottom is in... but we are not quite getting there... so be it.  So be it.

[marcus_of_augustus]

... vaccine mandates are front and square for the discussion here and always have been, not even a little tangential, with losses of freedoms and bitcoin as a solution, sorry if you don't get it but I don't have time to explain it all here

... the plan is to maintain vaccine mandates, QR code digital identity aka "health passports", on the law books as they are making the covid shots required annually, even though they are dangerous and don't do anything better than natural immunity in Omicron era

... anybody protesting vax mandates will have bank accounts frozen at will by an army of keyboard gestapo in "national security command central" (really just some dweebs with laptops set up in basement somewhere), no court process, no money, no job ... but it's your "choice" ... they may just give your account a 10% haircut if you don't get vaxxed and say be happy you have anything you dirty unvaxxed, hateful human scum

... next phase is about financial repression to ramp up fear again before vax mandates get rolled back

... Canada leads the way, cyberattacks (or bank runs), same difference are coming it looks like, Ukraine cyberattacks started yesterday after the "war"/"invasion in this week" was another lie

Canadian banking outages
https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1494092820260532227

What the hell is happening to Canada’s banks right now?

Ukraine bank cyberattacks
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-reports-cyber-attack-defence-ministry-website-banks-tass-2022-02-15/

...just like coranavirus pandemic they war game for it in the open so you can't say you weren't warned
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-imf-10-countries-simulate-cyber-attack-global-financial-system-2021-12-09/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4OtkPvKfsU ... but with the idiots in charge at least you'll get some laughs when their beautiful plans collapse in a heap

[ChartBuddy]

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[ChartBuddy]

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[xhomerx10]

[serveria.com]

... vaccine mandates are front and square for the discussion here and always have been, not even a little tangential, with losses of freedoms and bitcoin as a solution, sorry if you don't get it but I don't have time to explain it all here

... the plan is to maintain vaccine mandates, QR code digital identity aka "health passports", on the law books as they are making the covid shots required annually, even though they are dangerous and don't do anything better than natural immunity in Omicron era

... anybody protesting vax mandates will have bank accounts frozen at will by an army of keyboard gestapo in "national security command central" (really just some dweebs with laptops set up in basement somewhere), no court process, no money, no job ... but it's your "choice" ... they may just give your account a 10% haircut if you don't get vaxxed and say be happy you have anything you dirty unvaxxed, hateful human scum

... next phase is about financial repression to ramp up fear again before vax mandates get rolled back

... Canada leads the way, cyberattacks (or bank runs), same difference are coming it looks like, Ukraine cyberattacks started yesterday after the "war"/"invasion in this week" was another lie

Canadian banking outages
https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1494092820260532227

What the hell is happening to Canada’s banks right now?

Ukraine bank cyberattacks
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-reports-cyber-attack-defence-ministry-website-banks-tass-2022-02-15/

...just like coranavirus pandemic they war game for it in the open so you can't say you weren't warned
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-imf-10-countries-simulate-cyber-attack-global-financial-system-2021-12-09/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4OtkPvKfsU ... but with the idiots in charge at least you'll get some laughs when their beautiful plans collapse in a heap

Man, what's ur problem? EU countries are dumping/discontinuing vaccination certificates for good. Other countries most likely to follow. Ur ridiculous theory of neverending vaccine boosters and concentration camps for the unvaccinated is crumbling into bits and pieces. We are going back to normal. Enjoy life! We've won the battle with the virus. Smile and have a good time! Life goes on so stop this antivaxx bs!  

[JayJuanGee]

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Man, what's ur problem? EU countries are dumping/discontinuing vaccination certificates for good. Other countries most likely to follow. Ur ridiculous theory of neverending vaccine boosters and concentration camps for the unvaccinated is crumbling into bits and pieces. We are going back to normal. Enjoy life! We've won the battle with the virus. Smile and have a good time! Life goes on so stop this antivaxx bs!  

For sure, I don't completely buy Marcus's rendition of events.. but he is coming off as quite a bit less crazy now as compared to two years ago when he was saying similar things in early 2020.

Various government reactions have been draconian as fuck in regards to both their response to the virus, and also their seeming to have exaggerated and lied about a lot of things related to the virus and the supposed effectiveness of various vaccines and other treatments that have been (and continue to be) rammed down various throats...

about a year into the vaccines, it was already seeming to show various contradictions in the messages....  

Are governments really going to stop with the various mandates.. ?  I hope so.

Are we going back to normal or something that was closer to what we had prior to March 2020?  I hope so.

We all know that a lot of travel rights were removed after September 2001 in accordance with various false pretenses (at least we should be able to recognize that a lot of those various controls that went into place after September 2001 were overblown and never really rolled back in any kind of meaningful way).

Do you really believe that various govts around the world are going to be giving back various freedoms to people.. travel, assembly movement, once they have been able to take them away and cause people to be scared of other people..?   That would be nice, but seems that governments tend to be quite disinclined to give back freedoms after they have been successful in taking  them away.. .. and for sure I am not any kind of anti-govt person.. but there are some sickening aspects to some of these expectations of compliance matters and the shutting down of speech and the intensities of some of the deplatforming and deplatforming attempts.

Seems to me that peeps are less inclined to even want to talk to other people in the real world...

Govts love those kinds of dynamics of causing fear and internal fighting amongst the plebs while they continue to reel from fear regarding abilities to keep financial systems from crashing...?  freedom from the powers of bitcoin too.,. do you believe that these various other battles in social systems are not related to desires to control the finances of normies too?

yeah.. maybe you have some personal issues with marcus.. and maybe he can be a bit less confrontational in his various presentations of matters... but there seems to be quite a bit of truth in several matters that he is pointing out, even if he is not getting all of the details correct.. or reaching some extreme conclusions...

[ChartBuddy]

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[Paashaas]

Congratulations Proudhorn, your endless repetitive tiresome trolling jokes made you ''famous''.


https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/22/02/25680236/is-this-person-who-forecast-that-bitcoin-would-never-cross-3-the-oldest-crypto-bear-ever
https://twitter.com/MatthewHyland_/status/1493787935186976768

[ChartBuddy]

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[icopress]

[...] Do you really believe that various govts around the world are going to be giving back various freedoms to people.. travel, assembly movement, once they have been able to take them away and cause people to be scared of other people..?   That would be nice, but seems that governments tend to be quite disinclined to give back freedoms after they have been successful in taking  them away.. .. and for sure I am not any kind of anti-govt person.. but there are some sickening aspects to some of these expectations of compliance matters and the shutting down of speech and the intensities of some of the deplatforming and deplatforming attempts.

I would not say that temporary restrictions on movement are a blow to freedom, since such a policy primarily affects finances ... I think no one will argue that money is the main factor of power in the global world order. In addition, I would agree with you if we lived in the 16th or 19th century, during the time of those pandemics whose names I don’t even want to name.

I like to delve into the details of world history, so I can draw a parallel between the current state of affairs and the total restriction of civil liberties in the past. Unlike past pandemics, a pandemic of a type like Covid is not capable of breaking economic ties between countries, and as a result, there can be no question of long-term economic consequences. I would add to this the fact that an ordinary person like me does not feel the economic downturn and the far-reaching consequences of this stagnation, (keep in mind I say this as a person who lives very modestly). Btw, speaking of severed economic ties ... the pandemic still played into the hands of the United States because for them this is a great opportunity to distance themselves from China by moving production home.

[Krubster]

Not against it just not sure if it is good or not good.

...and this is partly the reason I'm so frustrated and becoming overwhelmed.

I don't know how to answer any of your questions at this time. I'm going down a strange rabbit hole, and it's entirely uncomfortable to say the least.

I'm impressed that you have managed to generate such nice returns.

Yesterday I had my first routing event. Up until now I've had 60 events generating a total of 617 sats. However, I've spent far more than that trying to re-balance my channels. I can understand your frustration.

It's fun though, I just need to figure out how to handle re-balancing and setting channel fees a little bit better first. Seems like I have gotten myself a new hobby.

[JayJuanGee]

[...] Do you really believe that various govts around the world are going to be giving back various freedoms to people.. travel, assembly movement, once they have been able to take them away and cause people to be scared of other people..?   That would be nice, but seems that governments tend to be quite disinclined to give back freedoms after they have been successful in taking  them away.. .. and for sure I am not any kind of anti-govt person.. but there are some sickening aspects to some of these expectations of compliance matters and the shutting down of speech and the intensities of some of the deplatforming and deplatforming attempts.

I would not say that temporary restrictions on movement are a blow to freedom, since such a policy primarily affects finances ... I think no one will argue that money is the main factor of power in the global world order. In addition, I would agree with you if we lived in the 16th or 19th century, during the time of those pandemics whose names I don’t even want to name.

I like to delve into the details of world history, so I can draw a parallel between the current state of affairs and the total restriction of civil liberties in the past. Unlike past pandemics, a pandemic of a type like Covid is not capable of breaking economic ties between countries, and as a result, there can be no question of long-term economic consequences. I would add to this the fact that an ordinary person like me does not feel the economic downturn and the far-reaching consequences of this stagnation, (keep in mind I say this as a person who lives very modestly). Btw, speaking of severed economic ties ... the pandemic still played into the hands of the United States because for them this is a great opportunity to distance themselves from China by moving production home.

I am not necessarily asserting that governments had historically refrained from attempts to control people, there were just a lot of difficulties in terms of the kinds of way that people could be tracked or blocked, and of course, self-sustaining farms would run the risk of pillage... 

In recent times, the internet has truly allowed for mobility in a lot of ways and even living in various remote locations - perhaps using google translate to assist, too. 

There have frequently been attempts at controlling the movement of wealth - and even in recent times, prior to bitcoin, the capital controls could be used to limit mobility - but air travel being more affordable, even governments realize that jurisdictional arbitrage becomes more possible.. and surely some passports have more possibilities than others - even if there has been a decent amount of juggling mobility since March 2020-ish.. yeah.. more than some of the juggling that had been occurring after September 2001.

I am not claiming to have any of the answers, but I am not going to poo poo the various restrictions and try to keep faith that everything is o.k.. and everything will return back to pre-March 2020 - to the extent that more free movement was possible at that time. 

I guess my main points were just attempting to suggest that we are having a lot of issues (even if we cannot agree on the issues), and various governments are showing kinds of desperation and even alliances in terms of going along with some of the ways to attempt to control populations more and to create and maintain geo-mobility obstacles... . Of course, maybe some of the western countries are getting a taste of their own medicine in terms of losing more mobility than had already been restricted in a lot of other countries.. so some countries already had a lot less mobility abilities, even if they could get their finances together.

For those folks who were not planning to travel, they might find fewer issues with whatever may be happening.. and surely even some folks in this thread are considering that various aspects of the various versions of the "official story" are adequately acceptable.. and surely any of us can be susceptible to view some of these matters within some of the political channels that we might find to be more credible and just consider that the "other side" is lying.

I had already mentioned that I was more than willing to give a lot of benefit of the doubt to the virus story - but after about a year, several of the claims started to fall apart.. especially after the introduction of the various vaccines.. and the longer that the vaccines were in effect, the contradictions became more and more difficult to resolve.. so making it difficult to believe various aspects of the variations and weaving channels of "the ever changing official story."

[ChartBuddy]

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