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Having low costs per BTC does not likely come from trading, but instead tends to come from being in the market a long time and having had front-loaded your investment (at least somewhat within the first cycle or so (or maybe the first cycle and a half?) that you are in).  

So there is a bit of marvel that the price of bitcoin can move several times the amount that some of us have invested into it in a matter of days.. and we likely also realize that we are still likely going to be having $20k plus candles (to the upside) in a day.  To come.. To come.
Having such low costs per bitcoin is a good evidence of consistency and aggression, and enough front-loading exercise, as low as $6k?? That's crazy!  

Surely there were quite a few opportunties to buy bitcoin below $6k between 2018 and early 2020, yet by mid-2020, those opportunities to get bitcoin at or below $6k no longer came to pass.. .yet guys still might not have had recognized the value of $6k-ish or lower bitcoin at that time, and even in early 2020, during our flash crash down to $3,800, there were guys selling coins below $6k.

So, frequently, it can take time for guys who are supposedly studying bitcoin to recognize value prices, just like right now, it seems quite likely that getting coins in the lower $100ks may well be a bargain, and sub $100k might never be reached again, yet at the same time, it could take a year or two before it starts to sink in that low $100k, if you can still get coins at these prices is surely a reasonable price to be paying to get a hold of some sats.

My own theory is that it frequently takes a while to build a bitcoin portfolio, so even if there were several opportunities to get BTC for less than $6k between 2018 and early 2020, guys do not tend to have a lot of money that is just sitting around that they can throw at bitcoin, so they frequently will have to gather up their funds and even just invest within their discretionary income (such as income from a job) that just comes in on a regular basis, and even if a guy has good amounts of discretionary income, it still takes time to dedicate that money towards BTC and to build up a bitcoin holdings, so in that regard, I would think that most guys who are sporting a bitcoin stack with average costs at or below $6k, they got into bitcoin (or at least started their bitcoin accumulation journey) prior to October or so of 2017.  Of course, there could be guys in this thread who are exceptions to such expectation of mine, yet I would consider those guys to have some level of luck (and/or persistence and/or insight about bitcoin) to have had been able to accumulate their bitcoin stash at or less than $6k and if they had started their bitcoin journey on or after October 2017...   Congratulation to those likely exceptional guys.

This does not apply to bitcoin gamblers that have ventured into bitcoin at the same time you made your first investment but decided to HODL while they were playing smart and selling to buy at dips. What have they really achieved, most of them must have been frustrated out of bitcoin already while others are heartbroken.

You are correct that it is likely difficult to either develop staying power or to sustainably build a bitcoin portfolio when there are considerations that it is possible to accumulate and/or build a bitcoin stash by selling bitcoin rather than staying focused on exclusively buying bitcoin.

My inner man would want to go back to the Mt Gox era and front load my bitcoin or back to 2015 when you almost felt reluctant to accumulate but never sold a piece. Anyway, there's no time to regret, moreover you're much older and could retire any moment while I still have a long way to go, but your experience remains young every day because of it's workability and result.

There is ONLY so much utility that comes from fantasizing about changing the past, even though surely many of us retain inclination to engage in such fantasies regarding ways that we might consider changing the past.

So essentially, as you suggest, we have to figure out ways to learn from the past in order to try to lessen our past mistakes (to the extent that we even consider that we made any mistakes and/or if we would have had changed what we did in the past, since frequently, we are actually employing choices that we perceive to be best based on the information that we have, so in order for us to come to different results, we frequently would have to change our whole mindset.. which might not have had been very likely and/or feasible since we do come to each point in our lives based on quite a few historical factors that affect how we think and how we end up developing based on our actions and thoughts.  (I know, I am getting a bit abstract that I am probably even beginning to lose myself).

Cycles do exist,
And more ATHs will come.
This year, guaranteed!

Still two days to go.
Chances are slim for this month,
But you never know!
These two together are gold.
Here's my TLDR interpretation.

I predict that the price of king daddy is guaranteed to reach ATH this year, even though my last prediction did not play out too well.
D Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Extension of the idea:

If I keep throwing this gooey stuff at the wall, sooner or later some of it will stick.
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The only Bitcoin price prediction I consider as accurate and valid is this:
  • Given enough time, Bitcoin is going up. (a.k.a., "It's going up forever, Laura!").

The natural consequence of the above prediction is this:
  • Buy when you can, sell when you must.
By applying the above for the last 10 years, I have multiplied my investment by a factor of 57 as of today (i.e., a x57 increase of my fiat wealth).
To me, any short-term (less than a cycle) Bitcoin price prediction is for the LULZ and should be treated as such. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Fair enough.

It is a good place to be to have enough of a cushion that any further UPpity is icing on the cake... which even implies that each of us in a similar situation are likely able to weather quite extensive negative consequences, yet we still ae in a position that we could sell 5% to 10% of our stash at any particular time, and get all of our money back (even 2-5 times of all of our money back), in the event that we believe such drawing out of value is helpful or needed... and surely sometimes, we might run into person consequences in which we consider drawing out 5%  and even up to 25% would be helpful to our own situation, and we are not even really putting our bitcoin in any kind of problematic size.. .. which largely means that we have likely reached an overaccumulation level that may well be greater than 25%  of we might consider our threshold target level (or our threshold fuck you status level - or whatever it might be that we are aiming to be our threshold level of financial and/or psychological satisfaction).

Since Cramer said "I say crypto is fine" I'm convinced that we will dump into the beginning of October...
I didn't forget the past. Did you forget? Why October is called Uptober.

Uptober is coming
WO Gents! are you Ready?

hahahahaha..

I think that we have seen plenty of years (in bitcoin as I recall) where the dump starts to happen in the beginning of October, and so then several normies get depressed and retracted (and perhaps some sell), and then the later part of the month ends up causing the UP to be greater than the down.. .and works out well for those who had largely just held through the whole ordeal.

To me, any short-term (less than a cycle) Bitcoin price prediction is for the LULZ and should be treated as such. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Short-term predictions are nothing but half-baked guesses from self-proclaimed experts who are all tossing random numbers and praying their wish comes true.

Here's my prediction for UPtober, it is going to Mooooooon..... Grin

Fair enough.

Many of us will still make the short-term predictions for funzies  (Many times hard to resist).. which largely means that we are not really acting upon them in any kind of meaningful way, but they can still be fun to make.
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Many of us will still make the short-term predictions for funzies  (Many times hard to resist).. which largely means that we are not really acting upon them in any kind of meaningful way, but they can still be fun to make.

Short-term calls are harmless even if we mess them up completely because we are not going to sell them anyway. Cool

I don't mind the random predictions and that's how speculative assets work but the problem comes when some of them claim to be a bitcoin expert (WTF, did you have any knowledge about blockchain or decentralization?) and manipulating the rookies to follow what their goal is to achieve and in that process most lose their capital and end up blaming the bitcoin instead of the genius who told them to.
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Many of us will still make the short-term predictions for funzies  (Many times hard to resist).. which largely means that we are not really acting upon them in any kind of meaningful way, but they can still be fun to make.

Short-term calls are harmless even if we mess them up completely because we are not going to sell them anyway. Cool

I don't mind the random predictions and that's how speculative assets work but the problem comes when some of them claim to be a bitcoin expert (WTF, did you have any knowledge about blockchain or decentralization?) and manipulating the rookies to follow what their goal is to achieve and in that process most lose their capital and end up blaming the bitcoin instead of the genius who told them to.

Short-term calls are the only fun to be had on a daily basis.  Up only gets boring and every 4 years becomes horribly untrue...  Always nice to keep your bases covered.  For example, I recently told people to sell at $117K while saying the market will be going higher in Q4.  I sold a little...  Then when it hit $108K I became a little bullish again and bought some back, saying I thought the short term pain was over for now.  The day to day changes are interesting when the overall story gets tiresome.  Plus, who doesn't like making a few extra grand?  With this last mentioned profit taking trade I plan to send gift cards to all the single mothers I know for Christmas this year.  Smiley

We are less than an hour away from the FTX distribution of stablecoins.  Will the market shoot up tonight?  Something interesting to watch...
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~Many of us will still make the short-term predictions for funzies  (Many times hard to resist).. which largely means that we are not really acting upon them in any kind of meaningful way, but they can still be fun to make.
Short-term calls are harmless even if we mess them up completely because we are not going to sell them anyway. Cool

I don't mind the random predictions and that's how speculative assets work but the problem comes when some of them claim to be a bitcoin expert (WTF, did you have any knowledge about blockchain or decentralization?) and manipulating the rookies to follow what their goal is to achieve and in that process most lose their capital and end up blaming the bitcoin instead of the genius who told them to.

Any of us who are either new to bitcoin or maybe we don't always have time to investigate into attempting to verify the claims that others are making, we still need to figure out ways to establish our own various plans related to our investment (perhaps accumulation of BTC) approach, and also making sure that our cashflow management systems and practices are sufficiently hedging us and/or hedging our chosen level of aggressiveness in regards to our bitcoin investment.

We cannot expect to know all of the things, yet we still likely end up investing into bitcoin and/or continuing to maintain our investment in bitcoin based on things that we believe that we know - which surely the more skeptical we are, then we might error on the side of having a smaller position size, and then the more confident that we are in the strength of bitcoin's investment thesis, then we should be incentivized into holding a larger position size in it (or course, within our financial/psychological means).

Sometimes we can still get shaken by various new developments related to bitcoin, and surely there have always been geographical differences that end up affecting what kinds of options that any of us might have to get in and out of our bitcoin, and surely there is likely some contagiousness in bitcoin in locations (perhaps ONLY El Salvador) where the level of hostility towards bitcoin is sufficiently low that there is a certain level of encouragement to transact in bitcoin - even though still some merchants might be reluctant to start to accept bitcoin for their goods and/or services - yet it likely helps if the regulatory obstacles are at low levels.

~Many of us will still make the short-term predictions for funzies  (Many times hard to resist).. which largely means that we are not really acting upon them in any kind of meaningful way, but they can still be fun to make.
Short-term calls are harmless even if we mess them up completely because we are not going to sell them anyway. Cool

I don't mind the random predictions and that's how speculative assets work but the problem comes when some of them claim to be a bitcoin expert (WTF, did you have any knowledge about blockchain or decentralization?) and manipulating the rookies to follow what their goal is to achieve and in that process most lose their capital and end up blaming the bitcoin instead of the genius who told them to.
Short-term calls are the only fun to be had on a daily basis.  Up only gets boring and every 4 years becomes horribly untrue...  Always nice to keep your bases covered. 

You might never have had learned your lesson, and you might also be resistant to learning.

In other words, I doubt that you have put yourself in a better place by trying to fuck around timing the various waves in bitcoin, yet you still want to spout off as if trying to time the waves is the better way to protect yourself when it has not been, and it likely will continue to not be in the future.. .but hey, whatever, if you think that you are smarter than everyone else and you think that you can time the waves, then do your thing.. maybe it is working for you, even though you are likely way more poor because of your historical fucking around in those kinds of ways.  Can be hard to teach new tricks to stubborn and arrogant folks.

For example, I recently told people to sell at $117K while saying the market will be going higher in Q4.  I sold a little...  Then when it hit $108K I became a little bullish again and bought some back, saying I thought the short term pain was over for now. 

Even if you happened to have had timed short term bitcoin prices correctly (supposedly), it sounds pretty retarded to be fucking around trying to trade bitcoin in those kinds of ways when bitcoin happens to be amongst the best (if not the best?) of assets available to everyone and anyone around the world as long as they have discretionary income/funds... but instead you want to play around trying to trade to pick up pennies in front of a steam roller...    Sure, I could be wrong, yet it seems that your luck is likely limited in those regards.

The day to day changes are interesting when the overall story gets tiresome.  Plus, who doesn't like making a few extra grand? 

You are delusional if you think that trading is a good idea... but hey, maybe you are lucky, punk?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

[insert Clint Eastwood]    Wink

With this last mentioned profit taking trade I plan to send gift cards to all the single mothers I know for Christmas this year.  Smiley

Fair enough.  Nothing wrong with trying to be generous when you are able to... Sometimes I want to be more generous, but sometimes it can be difficult to seek out, identify and then act upon some likely deserving folks.  I know that sometimes in my own history, I had been able to profit from the generosity of others.

We are less than an hour away from the FTX distribution of stablecoins.  Will the market shoot up tonight?  Something interesting to watch...

That does seem to be a happening that should be generally bullish for bitcoin or at least provide some possibilities that some of those distributions (if they happen) would be converted into bitcoin.
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Looks like the government is legally stealing the 61,000BTC from the scammer and the victims.

Ironic, Back then they claimed bitcoin is used by criminals but now government wants to keep the bitcoin and wants to give them the fiat. Cheesy
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Just curious....what folks think of the shutdown of the Gov't and how it MAY affect BTC as such?

myself....er sideways is my guess (btc loves sideways)

others?

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Just curious....what folks think of the shutdown of the Gov't and how it MAY affect BTC as such?

myself....er sideways is my guess (btc loves sideways)

others?

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Just curious....what folks think of the shutdown of the Gov't and how it MAY affect BTC as such?

myself....er sideways is my guess (btc loves sideways)

others?

baked in

sideways with an upwards tilt.
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 Are any of you going out a night and looking up? Last night, the G1 geomagnetic storm I posted about turned into a strong G3-class geomagnetic storm creating displays of Northern Lights visible as far south as New Mexico!  Anyway, same deal tonight though the Kp is already >5 so it's on.  The reason I'm pushing this right now is that we're at solar max in the 11 year cycle AND at the equinox.  The probability of strong auroras doesn't get much better than this and as the cycle moves toward the solar minimum, we'll be waiting another 10 or 11 years for another decent chance to see the Northern (or Southern) Lights again. 

 Clouds are supposed to roll in here soon but the skies look pretty clear to me so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  Good luck!

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Bitcoin wallet holding $44 million moves funds after 12 years


A dormant bitcoin wallet containing $44 million worth of bitcoin moved funds for the first time in 12 years on Sunday, according to Lookonchain, a blockchain analytics platform.

Data from Arkham Intelligence shows that the wallet address "1ArUG…zwaWT" transferred roughly 400 BTC to multiple wallets on Sunday, mostly in equal batches of 15 BTC. This effectively emptied out all funds from the wallet.

Although the platform's transaction data doesn't disclose the source of the bitcoin, Lookonchain reported that the receiving wallet was funded by miners 15 years ago. The reason for the transfers remains unknown, as does the identity of the wallet's ownership.

Over the 12 years the wallet remained dormant, Bitcoin's value increased approximately 830 times, surging from around $135 to $111,804 today.

Satoshi-era bitcoin wallets have ramped up activity in recent months as the world's largest cryptocurrency hit new highs this summer, in apparent attempts to liquidate profits they have made over the past years.

In July, Galaxy Digital executed a massive sale of over 80,000 BTC, valued at more than $9 billion, selling the funds for a Satoshi-era investor's estate.

More recently, another OG holder processed a significant rotation earlier this month, moving funds from BTC to ETH, amassing nearly $4 billion in ether from an initial holding of over $5 billion in bitcoin. A different bitcoin address containing roughly 444 BTC (worth $50 million) was activated on Sept. 11 after nearly 13 years of dormancy.

https://www.tradingview.com/news/the_block:8543605ea094b:0-bitcoin-wallet-holding-44-million-moves-funds-after-12-years/
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Bitcoin wallet holding $44 million moves funds after 12 years


A dormant bitcoin wallet containing $44 million worth of bitcoin moved funds for the first time in 12 years on Sunday, according to Lookonchain, a blockchain analytics platform.

Data from Arkham Intelligence shows that the wallet address "1ArUG…zwaWT" transferred roughly 400 BTC to multiple wallets on Sunday, mostly in equal batches of 15 BTC. This effectively emptied out all funds from the wallet.

Although the platform's transaction data doesn't disclose the source of the bitcoin, Lookonchain reported that the receiving wallet was funded by miners 15 years ago. The reason for the transfers remains unknown, as does the identity of the wallet's ownership.

Over the 12 years the wallet remained dormant, Bitcoin's value increased approximately 830 times, surging from around $135 to $111,804 today.

Satoshi-era bitcoin wallets have ramped up activity in recent months as the world's largest cryptocurrency hit new highs this summer, in apparent attempts to liquidate profits they have made over the past years.

In July, Galaxy Digital executed a massive sale of over 80,000 BTC, valued at more than $9 billion, selling the funds for a Satoshi-era investor's estate.

More recently, another OG holder processed a significant rotation earlier this month, moving funds from BTC to ETH, amassing nearly $4 billion in ether from an initial holding of over $5 billion in bitcoin. A different bitcoin address containing roughly 444 BTC (worth $50 million) was activated on Sept. 11 after nearly 13 years of dormancy.

https://www.tradingview.com/news/the_block:8543605ea094b:0-bitcoin-wallet-holding-44-million-moves-funds-after-12-years/

It used to be that a move of 10000 btc and up was news (people remember the "bearwhale" who was selling 30K btc at $300 or something like that...and not OTC).
People eventually gobbled the whole sale...the "slaughtering of the bearwhale" circa somewhere in 2014.

Now, it seems that even 444 "old" btc move is news...next it would be 100btc (maybe by 2029)...then 10 (by 2033 or 2037).
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Just heard that Pavel Durov (Telegram) is living off Bitcoin because Telegram isn't making enough money for him...

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