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October 04, 2025, 03:17:21 PM

Bah. Maybe next week...

Have a great weekend, folks.

Got a feeling in muh plums we're gunna see $125k USD/BTC today. 🤞🏻
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October 04, 2025, 03:44:33 PM

will this be the first supplyshock to witness ?

the influence of miners has become minimal
ETFs buy far more than CEXs can replace
it is obvious that at some point there must be a supplyshock.
However, there are still too many BTC on the market
considering the price, the quantities being bought are no longer as large as before.

Besides, most of these trades happen OTC, so they don't move the price as much. To feel the supply shock, we need to have retail FOMOing in and finding out there are no more cornz to be bought on the open market.

Wen FOMO? Wen supply shock? Wen moon, wen lambo?
We'll know soon enough if 2025 is the year.
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witnessing post once more of low coins on exchanges and supplyshock incoming
will this be the first supplyshock to witness ?
supply shock is a myth imo
there is always somebody willing to sell after a 10-20% run.
Until they only have peanuts to sell.

somebody other has bought in the meantime and becomes the next seller... it's a never ending game


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Ask all the people here who are waiting for 140k-.150k to get rid of their coins

Hey, people here who are waiting for .14 - .15! I'm talking to you.

Are you selling it all, or do you plan to keep a little? Like 10%? Or 20%? Or maybe you're keeping half just in case?

TL;DR: Worst case? I see exponential (slow) decay in hodler reserves ready to go on sale. But probably, the fraction of the remaining stash that gets sold as btc appreciates goes down with time (sub-exponential, slower).

see above

btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k
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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

The question is: from (relatively) small fish, will only small fish buy or will the coin end up in "mainly hold" reserves? In other words, I think many gentlemen here will sell OTC to larger fish than them.
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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

No, but one could shave off 0.1% of his stash for...reasons.

Just sayin'...
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Hey, people here who are waiting for .14 - .15! I'm talking to you.

Are you selling it all, or do you plan to keep a little? Like 10%? Or 20%? Or maybe you're keeping half just in case?

TL;DR: Worst case? I see exponential (slow) decay in hodler reserves ready to go on sale. But probably, the fraction of the remaining stash that gets sold as btc appreciates goes down with time (sub-exponential, slower).

 See, with me (without ruining my opsec again), I was lucky enough over 10 years ago to make a crazy choice, as I knew I was not capable of stomaching many cycles as I did the first time I invested... In fact, for that first year, I was down up to 40%, and everyone told me how dumb I was... This magical internet drug money created by hackers would never be something to invest real money into, and no matter how many times I tried, no matter how many orange pills I served... Like Adam, my pie-in-the-sky number was 32,000.

 I wasn't sure how I could safeguard myself so I took my (claimed 0.63) and locked it away with a promise I would never touch it till 32k. The rest I blew on alpaca socks ,satoshi dice.. and the most expensive part was thinking I could trade alts... Things worked out pretty well before I fell victim to an auto trader scam, and my laziness coupled with various boating accidents led me to the position I was in... After the 2017/2018 crash. I was lucky enough to have made a very smart choice safeguarding the (.63) stash I put away and promised I would not touch...

 Well, the time came and 32k was here. I just did not decide I would need to sell it at current state of things... again I was reminded of all the previous mistakes I made and the only reason I had not Mindrusted away is because even though tiny comparatively, it would one day do me well... so I made another choice: at 100k, I would sell. That's 3x my wildest dreams and would surly cover the minimal needs I have in my current lifestyle (I never really was greedy)

 At the end of last year I saw the writing on the wall and started taking the steps to sell, and again with the current state of things I could not convince myself that there was anything I could see worth swapping to... Sure, I could make more getting lucky calling the AI bubble, but that's risking what I have, and if you already have enough and then more than enough, why bother???

 So I thought about being like LFC and timing the market; if I sold, the only logical excuse is to buy back cheaper, as really, what else would you do with what you sold—keep fiat? We are all here from not wanting to do that in the first place. So that brings me to where I am at now... considering how much I am up over the last decade, shaving off 10%, knowing I may never get those corn back but securing me a life upgrade beyond my wildest expectations. The fact is that the one thing I can't buy is time, and after a decade of patiently waiting (except for a few small emergencies), not selling any... But who knows? In a perfect world, I might even be able to buy said cornz back in the next bear market. Also, if that doesn't happen and we just keep going up, I still have 90% and will have to make another promise on whether to shave more off of...

 The biggest conundrum I have now is changing the cost-selling promise strategy to a time-based strategy, as the "number seems to go up forever Laura" I could not have done it without most of the people who shitpost here. So yeah, the proposed activity limit would sadden me, but I would fully understand considering I am not a master self-proclaimed EFT investor; I am just a internet chemist who saw an idea he fell in love with.
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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

The question is: from (relatively) small fish, will only small fish buy or will the coin end up in "mainly hold" reserves? In other words, I think many gentlemen here will sell OTC to larger fish than them.

Thing is you will probably sell to ETFs or other institutions that are owned by people who are mainly interested in fiat gains. Many of them will probably sell if there is a 40% drop or so
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witnessing post once more of low coins on exchanges and supplyshock incoming
will this be the first supplyshock to witness ?
supply shock is a myth imo
there is always somebody willing to sell after a 10-20% run.
Until they only have peanuts to sell.

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Ask all the people here who are waiting for 140k-.150k to get rid of their coins

Hey, people here who are waiting for .14 - .15! I'm talking to you.

Are you selling it all, or do you plan to keep a little? Like 10%? Or 20%? Or maybe you're keeping half just in case?

TL;DR: Worst case? I see exponential (slow) decay in hodler reserves ready to go on sale. But probably, the fraction of the remaining stash that gets sold as btc appreciates goes down with time (sub-exponential, slower).

My situation is that I also have IBIT/FBTC.
The story was that I bought GBTC in 2019/2020 in IRAs and Roth (the date is to the best of my recollection, maybe even early 2018) when btc was at $8-10K.

Later on, I exchanged it to IBIT/FBTC at par when everyone was screaming about how GBTC is going down the drain.
Now, it is quite a bit of $$ equivalent and about half is in Roth, hence no taxes on sale and withdrawal.

It is possible that I would shave some portion of this anywhere between 180 and 200K/btc (150K is too low).

I don't plan on selling any bitcoin...I am thinking similar to @Searing-trusts, legacy, etc.
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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

No, but one could shave off 0.1% of his stash for...reasons.

Just sayin'...

exactly, it makes no sense sitting at home while hording numbers on a screen...  you gotta enjoy life too !

get a nice girl have fun together and so on..

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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

No, but one could shave off 0.1% of his stash for...reasons.

Just sayin'...

exactly, it makes no sense sitting at home while hording numbers on a screen...  you gotta enjoy life too !

get a nice girl have fun together and so on..



My nice girl is putting the exact same talk/pressure on me: "let's spend".
I resist....to an extent  Cheesy
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btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k

Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe

No, but one could shave off 0.1% of his stash for...reasons.

Just sayin'...

exactly, it makes no sense sitting at home while hording numbers on a screen...  you gotta enjoy life too !

get a nice girl have fun together and so on..



My nice girl is putting the exact same talk/pressure on me: "let's spend".
I resist....to an extent  Cheesy

having a certain experience together at a given age is nothing you could buy for any money later in life..  so yes, have some fun...

however... sometimes it's better to not tell a girl how mich money you really have...
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My situation is that I also have IBIT/FBTC.
The story was that I bought GBTC in 2019/2020 in IRAs and Roth (the date is to the best of my recollection, maybe even early 2018) when btc was at $8-10K.

Later on, I exchanged it to IBIT/FBTC at par when everyone was screaming about how GBTC is going down the drain.
Now, it is quite a bit of $$ equivalent and about half is in Roth, hence no taxes on sale and withdrawal.

It is possible that I would shave some portion of this anywhere between 180 and 200K/btc (150K is too low).

I don't plan on selling any bitcoin...I am thinking similar to @Searing-trusts, legacy, etc.

@Biodom - Well, thank you! I am glad to know that you - an OG 'Legendary' member here - also has spot Bitcoin ETFs like I do!  Cheesy

I don't see some of the OGs here dishing out their shit talk on you...   Angry

And Biodom, you appear to be an experienced, seasoned investor too with probably multiple brokerage and tax-deferred retirement accounts for your IRAs and Roth! Nice!  Cheesy

Some of the OGs here are clearly uninformed about such financial matters...so grown men childishly act out like bullies due to their own ignorance   Tongue  
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15 years ago today, you could buy 1 #Bitcoin for just $0.06
Up 200,000,000% ✨

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Sometimes I think there should be a newbie admission test in order to be able to post here. Maybe it's just me...
That would be a great thing…

The WO should be protected a bit indeed.
It’s surely the most exciting long going thread on the forum and should have only respected people at it.
Like a kind of lock on it only people with at least  X-rank or something should be able to speak in here….

That would be something.

there is an Ivory tower section of the forum.  This thread does not seem to fit such, even though you are likely suggesting some kind of a mini-Ivory tower, so it is not quite Ivory tower, but it is also not open to everyone and/or or anyone, like bitcoin is.

Last time, I checked bitcoin is open to everyone and anyone...  Why should talking about bitcoin be any different?  This thread is the troll box of the forum.. which allows the discussion of almost anything, which surely from my perspective seems to be the opposite of exclusivity.

Sometimes I think there should be a newbie admission test in order to be able to post here. Maybe it's just me...
That would be a great thing…

The WO should be protected a bit indeed.
It’s surely the most exciting long going thread on the forum and should have only respected people at it.
Like a kind of lock on it only people with at least  X-rank or something should be able to speak in here….

That would be something.
A man can dream. Something like minimum 500 activity, or is it too tight? 365? Or at the very least, Sr. Member rank maybe? Anything reasonable would do, as long as we are spared the noise. Most of us are certified shitposters and already make enough noise on our own. Besides, there is style even when shitposting. Or maybe anyone could post, as it is today, but merit in this thread could only be awarded to more seasoned members. There are people here suffering daily with ignore lists too long to show in a reasonable time. What do you think?

And could @infofront help with setting up such a filter?

Theymos would have to administer something like that.  I doubt that the thread owner has very many privileges beyond deleting posts of members (which Infofront has lived up to his proclamations of minimal administration) and/or reformulating a poll.  Sure, he can lobby theymos, yet I doubt that he would, since you guys are talking about ideas that go beyond the spirit and tradition of this thread... at least so far, the thread has been open to everyone and anyone, even though sometimes "we" beat up upon some of the newbies, because "we" are mean.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

witnessing post once more of low coins on exchanges and supplyshock incoming

will this be the first supplyshock to witness ?
I don't know if there is any way to estimate the liquidity of the largest CEXs, but given that the influence of miners has become minimal and that ETFs buy far more than CEXs can replace, it is obvious that at some point there must be a supplyshock. However, somehow I have the feeling that there are still too many BTC on the market and that considering the price, the quantities being bought are no longer as large as before.

In addition, we still have about 1 million unmined BTC, of ​​which just under 800 000 will be mined in the next 5-6 years, and the last 210 000 will remain for the next 100+ years. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that only then could we see real supplyshocks - unless central banks enter the game and start buying like drunk billionaires.

By the way, considering that most spot BTC ETFs use the custodial service of a well-known CEX, all these coins actually just move from one wallet to another, but remain in the possession of one and the same company.

To the extent that third parties are not overly creating paper bitcoin (and we know that some paper bitcoin are being created), then the price is going to just adapt to supply, so I have been having my doubts that there would be any exact shock, even though surely only so many folks are willing to sell and to put new supply onto the market through their selling.. so if the price suddenly doubles, it seems to me that supply is going to come available.

Regarding your last point, surely the custodian (Coinbase or whatever) is going to end up in BIG trouble if they don't have the coins that they claim to have... surely a honey pot.

That leaves me with the conclusion that 150k is a good point to sell if you expect to buy back lower..
I'm terrible at timing the market, so I gave up a long time ago.

yeah me too. Every time I sold a bunch I regretted it afterwards.

You really should only sell when you must... not to buy back lower..

however the long bear markets teached me that there are times when you really can't sell so I want to prepare a 4-5 year fiat cushion

Keeping 4-5 years in cash is a lot of fiat hanging around.. .though there could likely be ways to do some variation of that, so it probably is not totally unreasonable.. to consider..

Let's say, for example, that a person had been in bitcoin since 2017 (using your forum registration date), and sure maybe he front loaded his investment, but let's say that he largely had put most of his investment into bitcoin over a couple of years.  Let's say that he put 2 years worth of his income, and so then his average cost per BTC might have had been around $10k or perhaps even less than $10k.. so maybe something like $8k per BTC.   

If his income was $50k, then that would have had ONLY gotten him around 12.5 BTC, so, from my perspective, not quite enough BTC to be able to stack away 4-5 years of fiat.  From my perspective, he would have had needed to get into bitcoin sooner..   Of course, if his average cost per BTC would have had been closer to $6k rather than $8k, then he would have had been able to get 16.67 BTC.. and he would be in a better place,  yet still I would consider that borderline to be taking out 4-5 years of fiat from that... .. not totally unreasonable but there does not seem to be enough of a cushion to cash out 4-5 years worth of fiat.

btw I think nobody in the WO will sell his whole stash at 140k-150k
Me neither  Wink
It was a provocation hehe
No, but one could shave off 0.1% of his stash for...reasons.
Just sayin'...
exactly, it makes no sense sitting at home while hording numbers on a screen...  you gotta enjoy life too !

get a nice girl have fun together and so on..
My nice girl is putting the exact same talk/pressure on me: "let's spend".
I resist....to an extent  Cheesy

I haven't met too many "nice girls" who don't love spending.

I don't really have any problem spending as long as there is some kind of attempts to account for it, rather than just considering the money to have had grown off of trees.

Let's say a person bought a couple of bitcoin between 2017 and 2020, so maybe the average cost per BTC is around $8k per BTC, so the total amount invested might only be around $16k... , and if that same person had been spending 10% every doubling, then maybe he would have spent something like this:

$16k  - 0.2BTC = $3,200

$32k  - 0.18 BTC  = $5,760

$64k  - 0.162 BTC = $10,368

$128k  - 0.146 BTC = $18,688

So even once the sale of 0.146 BTC is made around $128k, there is still around 1.3122 BTC remain in the  BTC stash..  even though nearly 0.7 BTC had been spent and nearly $30k extracted... The remaining 1.3122 BTC seems to be burning a hole in the pocket, and there might even be a desire to convert from price-based selling and into time-based selling... and one of the great things about bitcoin is that it provides options, as long as we do not end up selling too much too soon.

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however... sometimes it's better to not tell a girl how mich money you really have...

That can be a big dilemma.
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Some of the OGs here are clearly uninformed about such financial matters...so grown men childishly act out like bullies due to their own ignorance   Tongue 

Hm, my recent impressions (or hopes?) were that @BTCETFtroll came to his senses and stopped posting toxic shit.
I'm a bit disappointed now  Angry
To say the least...

Maybe somebody else would explain the difference between an OG diversifying a minority of his self-custodial BTC holdings into derivatives, stonks, (physical) metals etc., and a Paper-Bitcoin holder trying to stir up regulars of a legendary Bitcoin thread with toxic shitposts, which seem like being written by a (seasoned?) teenager.
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