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November 04, 2017, 06:26:24 AM
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Need updates here.  Im sure this project is on point but lack of communication makes it smell fishy.  I have a tiny fear that these guys just bought a bunch of spr early on and this whole thing was a manufactured pump and dump for spr.  

I don't think it's a scam, coins101 has a very good reputation. But yes, the communication is a disaster. It's only after someone here raises a big stink that we get any progress information. I can't understand what's so hard about writing a bi-weekly update, even if you have a day job. This is especially galling as they claim to do "Agile Development" in the ANN post. Now I work as an agile coder and frequent and timely communication is one of the top obligations of an agile team. Just as a reminder, there's an agile manifesto, and it says (among other things; emphasis mine):


Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
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of valuable software.

Business people and developers must work
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Honestly thinking about dumping all HLM once they can be traded and get out of this. Should have bought into Crown - team is also a split-off from SPR and they have a working masternode coin and service nodes and all the nice stuff.

DEVS: Please, you are doing your own project a huge disservice claiming Agile when you rarely communicate, your github is empty and you have no MVP to show. I bought into this not least because of your reputation and the Agile claim (which is rare enough). I confess I am losing hope by what I see instead. At least strike the Agile claim, it rubs it in every time I read it.



This this this. Really undermines the confidence in the team when they make such claims and completely fail at it right from the get go. Or maybe they're doing 3 month sprints.  Grin


As someone who has signed this manifesto since 2005 and worked on various Agile projects. I like to say it is not quite the same for this Project as these "Customers" have no feedback into the backlog or requirements and are really not owed any update as they are not "stakeholders" in the sense they do not pay for the Project nor have they determined what Helium should be or is. Updates are usually given to Customers to manage the backlog or establish priorities.

When Helium is launched and the governance is in place and you as a Masternode holder has made a vote on a Project, maybe then you can demand updates because you determined what should be done as a Stakeholder.

Helium uses the Agile method of development does not mean they should be accountable to everyone. Accountability is to Stakeholders. If Google where to design a open source tool for everyone or anyone, using Agile methods does that give everyone off the street a right to an update?  I think not. When you pay the piper you call the tune, until then sit tight and relax.
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November 04, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
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Need updates here.  Im sure this project is on point but lack of communication makes it smell fishy.  I have a tiny fear that these guys just bought a bunch of spr early on and this whole thing was a manufactured pump and dump for spr.  

I don't think it's a scam, coins101 has a very good reputation. But yes, the communication is a disaster. It's only after someone here raises a big stink that we get any progress information. I can't understand what's so hard about writing a bi-weekly update, even if you have a day job. This is especially galling as they claim to do "Agile Development" in the ANN post. Now I work as an agile coder and frequent and timely communication is one of the top obligations of an agile team. Just as a reminder, there's an agile manifesto, and it says (among other things; emphasis mine):


Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
through early and continuous delivery
of valuable software.

Business people and developers must work
together daily
throughout the project.


Honestly thinking about dumping all HLM once they can be traded and get out of this. Should have bought into Crown - team is also a split-off from SPR and they have a working masternode coin and service nodes and all the nice stuff.

DEVS: Please, you are doing your own project a huge disservice claiming Agile when you rarely communicate, your github is empty and you have no MVP to show. I bought into this not least because of your reputation and the Agile claim (which is rare enough). I confess I am losing hope by what I see instead. At least strike the Agile claim, it rubs it in every time I read it.



This this this. Really undermines the confidence in the team when they make such claims and completely fail at it right from the get go. Or maybe they're doing 3 month sprints.  Grin


As someone who has signed this manifesto since 2005 and worked on various Agile projects. I like to say it is not quite the same for this Project as these "Customers" have no feedback into the backlog or requirements and are really not owed any update as they are not "stakeholders" in the sense they do not pay for the Project nor have they determined what Helium should be or is. Updates are usually given to Customers to manage the backlog or establish priorities.

When Helium is launched and the governance is in place and you as a Masternode holder has made a vote on a Project, maybe then you can demand updates because you determined what should be done as a Stakeholder.

Helium uses the Agile method of development does not mean they should be accountable to everyone. Accountability is to Stakeholders. If Google where to design a open source tool for everyone or anyone, using Agile methods does that give everyone off the street a right to an update?  I think not. When you pay the piper you call the tune, until then sit tight and relax.

"When you pay the piper you call the tune" - I m not sure of your situation, but I am not having a free ride here, I paid my way for HLM, it didn't just appeared in my account for free of charge.

The updates are important. That is the part of PR which make or break a project/company/organisation. There are many other project, many other opportunity. Why would a customer/stakeholder stay with one which leave them in the dark? People want to know what happen with their money. Helium is a good and promising project, but I am a bit worried it will be killed by the inadequacy of PR/communication in the medium run.

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November 04, 2017, 10:21:19 AM
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Trying to figure out where is the link for the windows wallet?
anyone can help out with that? thanks in advance.

the coin is not launched yet you need to wait for them to announce the launch date before releasing the wallet, anyway i think they are safe on cryptopia, i would probably sell at the first pump lol
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Project is really interesting and such amazing idea. It seems that blockchain will be used heavily.

What kind of pointless spammy comment is this? D'oh it uses blockchain tech heavily? No shit, Sherlock.

OK, I get it, bot trying to up its post count.

Helium uses the Agile method of development does not mean they should be accountable to everyone. Accountability is to Stakeholders. If Google where to design a open source tool for everyone or anyone, using Agile methods does that give everyone off the street a right to an update?  I think not. When you pay the piper you call the tune, until then sit tight and relax.

IDK, I avoided the direct comparison of a FOSS project and a company for various reasons. But if you bring it up - I am not sure if Google investors would be amused if they got told to bugger off. I sure as hell don't have to answer everyone individually, but if I told the company I have no accountability to shareholders, I am sure I know what would happen. I am not demanding the HLM team answers each token holder's every question. I am asking for regular updates of achievements, impediments, roadmap changes and the like.

Agile is not a religion, it serves a couple of goals - one of them is keeping every stakeholder in the loop. And yes, I believe that stewardship over a ambitious crypto project also entails regarding token holders as stakeholders - after all, they trust you and put money into your project that keeps the lights on in the long run. If you compare SPR and DASH, you can see what difference it makes if investors believe in your ability to keep developing the coin. Developers of successful crypto projects get paid by investors buying up the coins.

Ninja edit: I know that if I am proud of one of my projects, I love to tell everyone, it's only if it hits a snag that I stop. I fully understand that interacting with BCT (and maybe me) is hard and frustrating, but I don't think it helps just going radio silent. I am invested in another MN coin, KORE and the devs there fire on all cylinders giving updates. And it's not like they don't catch flak heavily.
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November 04, 2017, 03:04:03 PM
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Trying to figure out where is the link for the windows wallet?
anyone can help out with that? thanks in advance.

the coin is not launched yet you need to wait for them to announce the launch date before releasing the wallet, anyway i think they are safe on cryptopia, i would probably sell at the first pump lol

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November 04, 2017, 03:07:18 PM
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SPR is pretty much worthless after Helium go online? it is almost like a coin swap, transferring the value from one coin to another...
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November 04, 2017, 03:53:56 PM
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If value of HLM is transfered from SPR, SPR would have negative value - the biggest breakthrough in crypto.
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November 04, 2017, 03:58:19 PM
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SPR is pretty much worthless after Helium go online? it is almost like a coin swap, transferring the value from one coin to another...

yeah but the difference is that HLM comes with many more features than spreadcoin, like masternodes and has a better name maybe, also x11 maybe could be better will attract more miner than gpu now
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November 04, 2017, 04:32:41 PM
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waiting for the next update,
already have few helium on cryptopia,,
hope can transfer helium wallet, but when the wallet will be ready ?
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November 04, 2017, 04:35:03 PM
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SPR is pretty much worthless after Helium go online? it is almost like a coin swap, transferring the value from one coin to another...

yeah but the difference is that HLM comes with many more features than spreadcoin, like masternodes and has a better name maybe, also x11 maybe could be better will attract more miner than gpu now

the new coin with the new tech is definetely better, it would be good for the holders of spreadcoin, they get two coins.
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November 04, 2017, 04:48:44 PM
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waiting for the next update,
already have few helium on cryptopia,,
hope can transfer helium wallet, but when the wallet will be ready ?

Please see the Helium FAQ before asking questions.  It answers a lot of the common questions that people ask over and over and (and over) again, apparently without taking to do much, if any research first.

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November 05, 2017, 02:25:31 AM
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Need updates here.  Im sure this project is on point but lack of communication makes it smell fishy.  I have a tiny fear that these guys just bought a bunch of spr early on and this whole thing was a manufactured pump and dump for spr.  

I don't think it's a scam, coins101 has a very good reputation. But yes, the communication is a disaster. It's only after someone here raises a big stink that we get any progress information. I can't understand what's so hard about writing a bi-weekly update, even if you have a day job. This is especially galling as they claim to do "Agile Development" in the ANN post. Now I work as an agile coder and frequent and timely communication is one of the top obligations of an agile team. Just as a reminder, there's an agile manifesto, and it says (among other things; emphasis mine):


Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
through early and continuous delivery
of valuable software.

Business people and developers must work
together daily
throughout the project.


Honestly thinking about dumping all HLM once they can be traded and get out of this. Should have bought into Crown - team is also a split-off from SPR and they have a working masternode coin and service nodes and all the nice stuff.

DEVS: Please, you are doing your own project a huge disservice claiming Agile when you rarely communicate, your github is empty and you have no MVP to show. I bought into this not least because of your reputation and the Agile claim (which is rare enough). I confess I am losing hope by what I see instead. At least strike the Agile claim, it rubs it in every time I read it.



This this this. Really undermines the confidence in the team when they make such claims and completely fail at it right from the get go. Or maybe they're doing 3 month sprints.  Grin


As someone who has signed this manifesto since 2005 and worked on various Agile projects. I like to say it is not quite the same for this Project as these "Customers" have no feedback into the backlog or requirements and are really not owed any update as they are not "stakeholders" in the sense they do not pay for the Project nor have they determined what Helium should be or is. Updates are usually given to Customers to manage the backlog or establish priorities.

When Helium is launched and the governance is in place and you as a Masternode holder has made a vote on a Project, maybe then you can demand updates because you determined what should be done as a Stakeholder.

Helium uses the Agile method of development does not mean they should be accountable to everyone. Accountability is to Stakeholders. If Google where to design a open source tool for everyone or anyone, using Agile methods does that give everyone off the street a right to an update?  I think not. When you pay the piper you call the tune, until then sit tight and relax.

"When you pay the piper you call the tune" - I m not sure of your situation, but I am not having a free ride here, I paid my way for HLM, it didn't just appeared in my account for free of charge.

The updates are important. That is the part of PR which make or break a project/company/organisation. There are many other project, many other opportunity. Why would a customer/stakeholder stay with one which leave them in the dark? People want to know what happen with their money. Helium is a good and promising project, but I am a bit worried it will be killed by the inadequacy of PR/communication in the medium run.

Technically you paid for "Spreadcoin" and you already have that in your wallet. How exactly do you pay for a coin that is not launched yet when there was no ICO. Look at your order details or transaction id. You need to check your understanding of Projects you "pay for"
Updates are important especially relevant ones. All I am saying if you caught the vision of the project based on words hold the faith and wait for them to deliver. You may want to join the Slack. Like I keep saying good applications = good codes= adequate/good testing and it all takes time. We are almost there, its not long now. (however long it takes we are still closer than we were last month)
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November 05, 2017, 04:25:22 AM
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I wish I were paying more attention to this. One really can't take a break from crypto. I'd really like to get master node going when the network comes online. We need some really good, quick currencies and I hope this will be one of them.
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November 05, 2017, 01:16:30 PM
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waiying for more than 1 month i'm becoming a litte bit worried
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Technically you paid for "Spreadcoin" and you already have that in your wallet. How exactly do you pay for a coin that is not launched yet when there was no ICO. Look at your order details or transaction id. You need to check your understanding of Projects you "pay for"

So like if I am buying stock futures, I should not have an expectation I am dealing in that stock? Or if my employer rewards me with options, I should not assume they will ever vest?

Dude, playing semantical tricks on technicalities just makes things worse. In all ICO's I put money in (oh, I didn't, I just put in ETH), I had the reasonable expectation I'd receive their tokens - based on the ANN and their WP. If they had told me I'd never paid them money so I shouldn't expect to receive anything, I'd call that a scam. Owning up to delays is one thing, but trying to move the goal posts is a major red flag.

May I ask whether you are playing this shenanigans as part of the HLM team?
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November 05, 2017, 10:41:49 PM
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waiying for more than 1 month i'm becoming a litte bit worried

Maybe scam? HLM is scam? when starts? when roadmap? please update !!!!

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November 06, 2017, 03:54:59 AM
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well at this point regardless of a scam this is a terrible start.  this could have been a great project if it wasnt just vapor.  But no communication and no community building will not make this a great project regardless.  Dash's success is built on its community and communication.  You guys arent even trying.  A weekly update isnt hard.  Even just a hey were here and working on some bugs would be fine.  Instead we get nothing... 

If your project is real i really hope you do a better job at community building when it launches.  I was excited about being a masternode holder.  Now im just hoping this isnt a scam and wondering if I should just dump it when it comes out if this is the way your project will go forward.
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Technically you paid for "Spreadcoin" and you already have that in your wallet. How exactly do you pay for a coin that is not launched yet when there was no ICO. Look at your order details or transaction id. You need to check your understanding of Projects you "pay for"

So like if I am buying stock futures, I should not have an expectation I am dealing in that stock? Or if my employer rewards me with options, I should not assume they will ever vest?

Dude, playing semantical tricks on technicalities just makes things worse. In all ICO's I put money in (oh, I didn't, I just put in ETH), I had the reasonable expectation I'd receive their tokens - based on the ANN and their WP. If they had told me I'd never paid them money so I shouldn't expect to receive anything, I'd call that a scam. Owning up to delays is one thing, but trying to move the goal posts is a major red flag.

May I ask whether you are playing this shenanigans as part of the HLM team?

Not a dude. and not part of the Helium team. I am part of the community and I know a good Project takes time if you understand the scope of what needs to be done.How do you like BitcoinGold's approach? trying to deliver before they are actually ready and everything is still hanging. I like the attention to details I see in this team so I do not fret.
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Technically you paid for "Spreadcoin" and you already have that in your wallet. How exactly do you pay for a coin that is not launched yet when there was no ICO. Look at your order details or transaction id. You need to check your understanding of Projects you "pay for"

So like if I am buying stock futures, I should not have an expectation I am dealing in that stock? Or if my employer rewards me with options, I should not assume they will ever vest?

Dude, playing semantical tricks on technicalities just makes things worse. In all ICO's I put money in (oh, I didn't, I just put in ETH), I had the reasonable expectation I'd receive their tokens - based on the ANN and their WP. If they had told me I'd never paid them money so I shouldn't expect to receive anything, I'd call that a scam. Owning up to delays is one thing, but trying to move the goal posts is a major red flag.

May I ask whether you are playing this shenanigans as part of the HLM team?

Not a dude. and not part of the Helium team. I am part of the community and I know a good Project takes time if you understand the scope of what needs to be done.How do you like BitcoinGold's approach? trying to deliver before they are actually ready and everything is still hanging. I like the attention to details I see in this team so I do not fret.

Well stated.

As I said earlier ... if it is a scam, there's not much we can do about it now.  No point in fretting about it.  Or anything, for that matter! Smiley

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November 06, 2017, 06:40:05 AM
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Guys, what do you think about the ICO? how promissing the project is?

There is no ICO for Helium. An economic fork of Spreadcoin was done months ago. Only way to get Helium coins is to wait for an exchange to start trading. Most likely Cryptopia will be the first exchange.

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