Evolution is a hoax

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

According to dawkins texts, we know what you say is true. all these cells developed to become rocks and some developed to become fish, later dinosaurs, monkeys, water, cosmos and other evolution figures. They automatically developed them selves and I believe we will continue to evolve to become three handed and more intelligent capabilities. Evevn unicors will develop at some point in time but it will take billions of years to evolve an ant from a whale according to darwins texts. You have a lot to learn from this belief

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

According to dawkins texts, we know what you say is true. all these cells developed to become rocks and some developed to become fish, later dinosaurs, monkeys, water, cosmos and other evolution figures. They automatically developed them selves and I believe we will continue to evolve to become three handed and more intelligent capabilities. Evevn unicors will develop at some point in time but it will take billions of years to evolve an ant from a whale according to darwins texts. You have a lot to learn from this belief

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

Since nobody has seen god create the world and since all the evidence fits evolution, creation is a hoax.

[BADecker]

2018 2019 2020 2021 2022    will evolve into bad times for the many great times for the few and then the many will have enough ..

See evolution is real ..

I wonder if a UNIVERSAL INCOME will evolve?..
Soon the many will come for the few if no UNIVERSAL INCOME..

Darwin himself predicted these changes from dinosaur to become full capable human being so what are you askeng for?

But there is no proof that it was evolution that made the changes. In fact, there is no proof for evolution at all, and barely any evidence. All the evidence fits the "like begets like" creation model better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet no scientist has ever taken the ''creationist model'' seriously because there is literally no proof for it. Unlike evolution that is fully documented and supported/used by the whole scientific community and majority of religions/religious people accept it.

You are mistaken. I was taught in high school by a scientist who took the creation model very seriously. There are many others. Most don't speak what they really believe, because they have a family to support, and they would get fired from their job in the university if they came out with the truth.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Justin Biebers]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

According to dawkins texts, we know what you say is true. all these cells developed to become rocks and some developed to become fish, later dinosaurs, monkeys, water, cosmos and other evolution figures. They automatically developed them selves and I believe we will continue to evolve to become three handed and more intelligent capabilities. Evevn unicors will develop at some point in time but it will take billions of years to evolve an ant from a whale according to darwins texts. You have a lot to learn from this belief

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

but you can't see it because it took billions of years to become true. darwin told us to believe and thats why we are studying his teachings in school these days because we are so advanced. we don't have to listen to other any more because this is the new stage of evolution in our intelligence

[Astargath]

2018 2019 2020 2021 2022    will evolve into bad times for the many great times for the few and then the many will have enough ..

See evolution is real ..

I wonder if a UNIVERSAL INCOME will evolve?..
Soon the many will come for the few if no UNIVERSAL INCOME..

Darwin himself predicted these changes from dinosaur to become full capable human being so what are you askeng for?

But there is no proof that it was evolution that made the changes. In fact, there is no proof for evolution at all, and barely any evidence. All the evidence fits the "like begets like" creation model better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet no scientist has ever taken the ''creationist model'' seriously because there is literally no proof for it. Unlike evolution that is fully documented and supported/used by the whole scientific community and majority of religions/religious people accept it.

You are mistaken. I was taught in high school by a scientist who took the creation model very seriously. There are many others. Most don't speak what they really believe, because they have a family to support, and they would get fired from their job in the university if they came out with the truth.

Evolution is a hoax.

I have seen many who take evolution model very seriously, far more than creation, therefore evolution beats creation.

[BADecker]

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Radioactive decay

No proof. But examples of the opposite, which I have already shown you.

Evolution is a hoax.
Astargath is a hoax.

[BADecker]

2018 2019 2020 2021 2022    will evolve into bad times for the many great times for the few and then the many will have enough ..

See evolution is real ..

I wonder if a UNIVERSAL INCOME will evolve?..
Soon the many will come for the few if no UNIVERSAL INCOME..

Darwin himself predicted these changes from dinosaur to become full capable human being so what are you askeng for?

But there is no proof that it was evolution that made the changes. In fact, there is no proof for evolution at all, and barely any evidence. All the evidence fits the "like begets like" creation model better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

You haven't read darwins texts far enough. They simply tell humand involved from cell which evolved from water billions of years ago. without an asteroid hitting ciberia 650 million years ago dinosaurs might still rule the earth. You should go to university to learn these thing and get wisdom from darvins texts which is a base of this belief of ours. It requires lots of intelligence to reach this far in darwins teaching

No proof for any of this. A nice story, however.

Evolution is a hoax.

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

According to dawkins texts, we know what you say is true. all these cells developed to become rocks and some developed to become fish, later dinosaurs, monkeys, water, cosmos and other evolution figures. They automatically developed them selves and I believe we will continue to evolve to become three handed and more intelligent capabilities. Evevn unicors will develop at some point in time but it will take billions of years to evolve an ant from a whale according to darwins texts. You have a lot to learn from this belief

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

Since nobody has seen god create the world and since all the evidence fits evolution, creation is a hoax.

Cause and effect shows that it wasn't evolution in the sense that evolution theory suggests.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Justin Biebers]

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Radioactive decay

No proof. But examples of the opposite, which I have already shown you.

Evolution is a hoax.
Astargath is a hoax.

radioactive decay is a proof according to dawkins teachings. he is quoted to be the most advanced man ever alive because evolution has gone so far in advancing

[BADecker]

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

but you can't see it because it took billions of years to become true. darwin told us to believe and thats why we are studying his teachings in school these days because we are so advanced. we don't have to listen to other any more because this is the new stage of evolution in our intelligence

Nobody saw it take billions of year. In fact, nobody has even seen billions of years. Just a nice story.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

According to dawkins texts, we know what you say is true. all these cells developed to become rocks and some developed to become fish, later dinosaurs, monkeys, water, cosmos and other evolution figures. They automatically developed them selves and I believe we will continue to evolve to become three handed and more intelligent capabilities. Evevn unicors will develop at some point in time but it will take billions of years to evolve an ant from a whale according to darwins texts. You have a lot to learn from this belief

Since nobody has seen any of it happen, and since it all fits the creation model better than the evolution model...

Evolution is a hoax.

Since nobody has seen god create the world and since all the evidence fits evolution, creation is a hoax.

Cause and effect shows that it wasn't evolution in the sense that evolution theory suggests.

Evolution is a hoax.

You still haven't shown proof that everything has a cause, though.

[BADecker]

2018 2019 2020 2021 2022    will evolve into bad times for the many great times for the few and then the many will have enough ..

See evolution is real ..

I wonder if a UNIVERSAL INCOME will evolve?..
Soon the many will come for the few if no UNIVERSAL INCOME..

Darwin himself predicted these changes from dinosaur to become full capable human being so what are you askeng for?

But there is no proof that it was evolution that made the changes. In fact, there is no proof for evolution at all, and barely any evidence. All the evidence fits the "like begets like" creation model better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet no scientist has ever taken the ''creationist model'' seriously because there is literally no proof for it. Unlike evolution that is fully documented and supported/used by the whole scientific community and majority of religions/religious people accept it.

You are mistaken. I was taught in high school by a scientist who took the creation model very seriously. There are many others. Most don't speak what they really believe, because they have a family to support, and they would get fired from their job in the university if they came out with the truth.

Evolution is a hoax.

I have seen many who take evolution model very seriously, far more than creation, therefore evolution beats creation.

Evolutionist hopefuls. Not evolutionists who can provide any proof. Even the slight bit of evolution evidence fits creation better. If this weren't enough, cause and effect shows that the evolution model is all guesswork.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Radioactive decay

No proof. But examples of the opposite, which I have already shown you.

Evolution is a hoax.
Astargath is a hoax.

Radioactive decay is studied by the brightest minds, they have concluded that it is indeed truly random.  You don't need any outside influence to get the isotope to decay. The decay is random just like (almost) all other Quantum Mechanical phenomena.

[popcorn1]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

ou still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Evolution is a hoax.

Prove that there is even one causeless effect. ..You messed up ..

God created all the universe YES?..
So because of all this earth and universe something must of made it all like a god?..

So who created your god..Now remember you said this..<<Prove that there is even one causeless effect..

So even you believe a causeless effect ..

So know you believe but you don't believe in what your saying ..

[BADecker]

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Radioactive decay

No proof. But examples of the opposite, which I have already shown you.

Evolution is a hoax.
Astargath is a hoax.

radioactive decay is a proof according to dawkins teachings. he is quoted to be the most advanced man ever alive because evolution has gone so far in advancing

Dawkins isn't proof. He isn't really even strong evidence.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

2018 2019 2020 2021 2022    will evolve into bad times for the many great times for the few and then the many will have enough ..

See evolution is real ..

I wonder if a UNIVERSAL INCOME will evolve?..
Soon the many will come for the few if no UNIVERSAL INCOME..

Darwin himself predicted these changes from dinosaur to become full capable human being so what are you askeng for?

But there is no proof that it was evolution that made the changes. In fact, there is no proof for evolution at all, and barely any evidence. All the evidence fits the "like begets like" creation model better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet no scientist has ever taken the ''creationist model'' seriously because there is literally no proof for it. Unlike evolution that is fully documented and supported/used by the whole scientific community and majority of religions/religious people accept it.

You are mistaken. I was taught in high school by a scientist who took the creation model very seriously. There are many others. Most don't speak what they really believe, because they have a family to support, and they would get fired from their job in the university if they came out with the truth.

Evolution is a hoax.

I have seen many who take evolution model very seriously, far more than creation, therefore evolution beats creation.

Evolutionist hopefuls. Not evolutionists who can provide any proof. Even the slight bit of evolution evidence fits creation better. If this weren't enough, cause and effect shows that the evolution model is all guesswork.

Evolution is a hoax.

Actually almost all the evidence shows the bible is wrong:

http://www.discoveringislam.org/bible_scientific_errors.htm

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

[BADecker]

You still haven't shown proof that everything has a cause, though.

Sure I have.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

You still haven't shown proof that everything has a cause, though.

Sure I have.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

However even if everything is in motion, what matters is the cause/causes of all the motions and you can't prove or show all the causes of all the motions, can you? True randomness exists, at least it's just the way quantum mechanics works. It may seem a bit unsatifactory to just have to accept the randomness, but remember that quantum mechanics is only a mathematical model - one that so far successfully describes the universe we see around us. All mathematical models are based on some assumptions, and the randomness in making measurements is one of these assumptions. It's possible that some deeper model will be developed one day, and this model will explain why the randomness occurs. However there is no such model at the moment, nor even a hint of one.

[Justin Biebers]

Why do I have to prove this? Remember, it is you who are embracing evolution. Prove that there is even one causeless effect.

Radioactive decay

No proof. But examples of the opposite, which I have already shown you.

Evolution is a hoax.
Astargath is a hoax.

Radioactive decay is studied by the brightest minds, they have concluded that it is indeed truly random.  You don't need any outside influence to get the isotope to decay. The decay is random just like (almost) all other Quantum Mechanical phenomena.

excatly right. dawkins told us to believe this new type of advanced science which is the proff of millions of years old fossils and their age being true

[popcorn1]

You still haven't shown proof that everything has a cause, though.

Sure I have.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

what makes you think that everything that's alive you can touch and hold?..

You can stroke a dog but what if your hand went right threw it like a ghost ?..
Like smoke that's alive ..Explain it's existence  ..

Many things that humans minds haven't even thought of to explain how the universe come to be
BUT we can start with how this earth come to be and all it's life..

To explain the empty space is way way in the future ..

Imagine you live in a box?
so where does the box sit ? in empty space waiting for it to be opened ..

So then do we live in a box within a box within a box and so on and so on..

Break out of 1 box and end up in another box..

So the big bang is one box what box was before the big bang?..