[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[Mrpumperitis]

Tek i gave you a badge 
you earned it 

[tekmobile]

tek, do you follow everything blockstreamcore does?
if you do, please speak up and tell us how much control they have over the ENTIRE og btc chain because of segwet/ln.

The pic you have is of a few people that have come out in public and like to say what they are doing..they can go to any coin they feel like when they want..just like you and i.

but trust me when i say this...
There are far far bigger forces behind BCH than these guys.

You need to decide if it's blockstream or core because both are very different

Core is of of many Bitcoin implementations that follow the consensus rules while blockstream is a Bitcoin developer just like all the others just because they have produces some notable contributions does not mean they are in control

lol, i have explained many times in the past, you really do have the brain of a goldfish dont you 

https://www.segwetters.org/

No I just don't believe everything I read from other people unlike you seem to I believe what I see.

You say Bitcoin cash is soooo much bigger than ver, wright and Ayre so please inform everyone of your precious insider information

    guess gmax and co were at your house and told you directly...wouldnt be surprised since you are also a paid troll.

and no,    especially to you since you wont believe what you read 

I look over the code occasionally from git merges and follow code modifications and very few come from blockstream

[Mrpumperitis]

tek, do you follow everything blockstreamcore does?
if you do, please speak up and tell us how much control they have over the ENTIRE og btc chain because of segwet/ln.

The pic you have is of a few people that have come out in public and like to say what they are doing..they can go to any coin they feel like when they want..just like you and i.

but trust me when i say this...
There are far far bigger forces behind BCH than these guys.

You need to decide if it's blockstream or core because both are very different

Core is of of many Bitcoin implementations that follow the consensus rules while blockstream is a Bitcoin developer just like all the others just because they have produces some notable contributions does not mean they are in control

lol, i have explained many times in the past, you really do have the brain of a goldfish dont you 

https://www.segwetters.org/

No I just don't believe everything I read from other people unlike you seem to I believe what I see.

You say Bitcoin cash is soooo much bigger than ver, wright and Ayre so please inform everyone of your precious insider information

    guess gmax and co were at your house and told you directly...wouldnt be surprised since you are also a paid troll.

and no,    especially to you since you wont believe what you read 

I look over the code occasionally from git merges and follow code modifications and very few come from blockstream

You should look deeper, alot deeper...
right im going to give you ONE example of bigger forces....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_720SB_kX7w
remember this is an example.

[BlackMoon258]

BTC price gonna down soon, do you think it's time for BCC?

[bitcoin_diamond]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet the wallet is centralized Under government control.
The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users.. beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins In future the coins would get under government control making people to lose big money.

Beware

[bitcircle]

BTC price gonna down soon, do you think it's time for BCC?

First of all you provide the source of this news or share your research with us. This ecosystem is not work on anybody wish if you are asking for advise than it is really hard to get honest advise but always follow the simple rule invest what you can afford to lose.

[hv_]

After such you might better understand fraud

https://www.financemagnates.com/forex/brokers/perpetrator-binary-options-fraud-2-1m-facing-20-years-us-prison/

[hv_]

tek, do you follow everything blockstreamcore does?
if you do, please speak up and tell us how much control they have over the ENTIRE og btc chain because of segwet/ln.

The pic you have is of a few people that have come out in public and like to say what they are doing..they can go to any coin they feel like when they want..just like you and i.

but trust me when i say this...
There are far far bigger forces behind BCH than these guys.

You need to decide if it's blockstream or core because both are very different

Core is of of many Bitcoin implementations that follow the consensus rules while blockstream is a Bitcoin developer just like all the others just because they have produces some notable contributions does not mean they are in control

lol, i have explained many times in the past, you really do have the brain of a goldfish dont you 

https://www.segwetters.org/

No I just don't believe everything I read from other people unlike you seem to I believe what I see.

You say Bitcoin cash is soooo much bigger than ver, wright and Ayre so please inform everyone of your precious insider information

    guess gmax and co were at your house and told you directly...wouldnt be surprised since you are also a paid troll.

and no,    especially to you since you wont believe what you read 

I look over the code occasionally from git merges and follow code modifications and very few come from blockstream

You just get always to your point:  Segwit and slow down code.

> Your friend


Not for Bitcoin Cash!

[MaxiProf88]

Hello dear friends! Help please! 01.04.2018 I sent the BCH with Bitcoin ABC on the bittrex. The transaction in the wallet was confirmed and the coins were debited from the wallet. But Bitcoin Cash not credited to Bitrix. I looked at the transaction in the BCH blockchain. The transaction is not displayed in the blockchain. Please tell me how I can get your bitcoin Cash!  Who should I ask for help? Thank You!

Status: 5633 confirmations
Date: 01.04.2018 13:32
For: 1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o
Debit: -4.22843270 BCC
Commission: -0.00024560 BCC
Net amount: -4.22867830 BCC
Transaction ID: 620f59973fd7b10ec33dd3c4490ff838f2df6977e15cea215b5cfa7efb42565f
Total transaction size: 1226 bytes
Output number: 0

[hv_]

Hello dear friends! Help please! 01.04.2018 I sent the BCH with Bitcoin ABC on the bittrex. The transaction in the wallet was confirmed and the coins were debited from the wallet. But Bitcoin Cash not credited to Bitrix. I looked at the transaction in the BCH blockchain. The transaction is not displayed in the blockchain. Please tell me how I can get your bitcoin Cash!  Who should I ask for help? Thank You!

Status: 5633 confirmations
Date: 01.04.2018 13:32
For: 1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o
Debit: -4.22843270 BCC
Commission: -0.00024560 BCC
Net amount: -4.22867830 BCC
Transaction ID: 620f59973fd7b10ec33dd3c4490ff838f2df6977e15cea215b5cfa7efb42565f
Total transaction size: 1226 bytes
Output number: 0

Are you sure you used a BCH adress, since I only find sth  here

https://blockchain.info/en/address/1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

but not in

https://blockchair.com/search?q=1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

??

For questions regarding the ABC client reddit/rbc is moar coverd

or go directly over the Bittrex help desk .

Cheers

[BtcMan2009]

BTC price gonna down soon, do you think it's time for BCC?

I have another question, how do you know that the price will drop soon? In my opinion the price of BTC has already passed the bottom and now we are seeing the change in trend. I would very much so I would like to see growth, though of course now, no one can say exactly that. It will be known only later, after the future no one can know in advance.

[jbreher]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?

[Bitbobb]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?

will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

[Bitbobb]

did everybody have fun to pay your taxes?   

Does anyone wish to learn about a thing called non-tax payer?


or do you prefer to have the paperwork just done for you? 


you can pay 2k usd worth of bch and have them made for you, with no questions asked.



I wonder if the govs figured out yet how many did not voluntarily assess themselves as relates to the digital money side of their portfolio? 

better question:  I wonder if the taxpayers wondered yet if they really are taxpayers according to the govs own definitions for same..

[hv_]

Interesting signing use case spotted



https://mobile.twitter.com/Patziggy55/status/985873032110592009

[tekmobile]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?

will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

[MaxiProf88]

Hello dear friends! Help please! 01.04.2018 I sent the BCH with Bitcoin ABC on the bittrex. The transaction in the wallet was confirmed and the coins were debited from the wallet. But Bitcoin Cash not credited to Bitrix. I looked at the transaction in the BCH blockchain. The transaction is not displayed in the blockchain. Please tell me how I can get your bitcoin Cash!  Who should I ask for help? Thank You!

Status: 5633 confirmations
Date: 01.04.2018 13:32
For: 1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o
Debit: -4.22843270 BCC
Commission: -0.00024560 BCC
Net amount: -4.22867830 BCC
Transaction ID: 620f59973fd7b10ec33dd3c4490ff838f2df6977e15cea215b5cfa7efb42565f
Total transaction size: 1226 bytes
Output number: 0

Are you sure you used a BCH adress, since I only find sth  here

https://blockchain.info/en/address/1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

but not in

https://blockchair.com/search?q=1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

??

For questions regarding the ABC client reddit/rbc is moar coverd

or go directly over the Bittrex help desk .

Cheers

Thank you for your time. Yes, I am sure. I've checked the address many times before sending BCH.  On bittrex BCH - it's BCC. I need to contact bittrex Technical Support, right?

[jbreher]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?

will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

So you already admit to 1, 3, and 5 being unsupported by evidence.
For number 2 - no evidence supplied. Put up or shut up.
4: False. While I view BCH as The One True Bitcoin, I would not want to see it destroyed. Further, it would be detrimental to my finances for even BTC to be destroyed. From public statements, he (Roger Ver) also holds a lot of BTC. Accordingly, him seeking to destroy Bitcoin would be irrational - whether BCH or BTC.


Hey tek: did you just miss this post?:

The proposed fixes are listed here

https://github.com/bitcoincashorg/workgroups/blob/master/wg-malfix/summaries/20180130%20-%20Meeting%20Summary.md

Finally. We get to something concrete and debatable. Thanks.

Yes they are proposals nothing more I'm not saying that any will be adopted just that their is a chance

Exactly. Three people met and discussed what -- if anything -- to do about malleability. The outcome: nothing at this time. Slight preference for MalFix, but no consensus.

True, one of the participants was the individual who currently leads the market-leading client implementation. Was he the holdout? Who knows? Doesn't matter.

But you fail to support your claim that MalFix would result in Bitcoin Cash abandoning Bitcoin's tried and true security model. Again, put up or shut up. You may just be parroting my observation that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset has caused Bitcoin Segwit to abandon Bitcoin's tried and true security model. But you seem to fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. For it is not the separation of sig from tx within The SegWit Omnibus Changeset that has abandoned Bitcoin's security model. Rather, it is the misguided abortional crude hack of pretending that an anyonecanspend tx is anything other than exactly that, which has opened post- SegWit Omnibus Changeset Bitcoin Segwit to a myriad of new attack vectors.

Go sharpen your pencil and get back to us.

Again, until you provide some evidence, all can safely consider this claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited.

As for Bitcoin Cash users won't accept being forced into a new system the whole premise of Bitcoin cash is users nodes don't matter only mining nodes matter

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. Non-mining, fully-validating clients (often misrepresented as 'full nodes') have no power to effect the network itself. This is true whether discussing Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, or any other PoW satoshi-pattern cryptocurrency. Miners have the power to enact any change they want to - or the majority thereof does. This power is counterbalanced only by the power of users and holders to abandon any chain that does not implement the characteristics they desire. In contrast, the only power non-mining, fully-validating clients possess is to divorce themselves from the network. Period. Other than suiciding themselves, they do not affect they network in any way.

The above is true regardless of Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Segwit. For better or for worse, this is the system satoshi bequeathed us. True, miners are likely to use such chain abandonment as a signal of user/hodler displeasure. However, they are fully aware that such non-mining, fully-validating clients are subject to Sybil attacks. The only non-Sybillable resources are mining power and Bitcoin ownership, which is what makes the system work to begin with.

so you will get forced if the exchanges upgrade and the miners upgrade the users are forced to either upgrade or sell taking huge losses

Exactly - and exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

The only reason BTC users can have a say is the users run the majority of the nodes therefore the miners etc won't switch as it's not in their interest to mine something the vast majority of users define worthless

No. Non-mining, fully-validating clients are the only entities in the system subject to Sybil attack. While they bring benefits to their owners, they do nothing for the network itself. They are merely a Sybiled proxy for economic power. Again, this is exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

Still waiting on your rebuttal. Since days.

[wangmidi]

The BCH community has been plagued by this problem. The community is a unified understanding, BCH is a good stuff, but it is not punished, especially in the currency price

[tekmobile]

Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?

will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

So you already admit to 1, 3, and 5 being unsupported by evidence.
For number 2 - no evidence supplied. Put up or shut up.
4: False. While I view BCH as The One True Bitcoin, I would not want to see it destroyed. Further, it would be detrimental to my finances for even BTC to be destroyed. From public statements, he (Roger Ver) also holds a lot of BTC. Accordingly, him seeking to destroy Bitcoin would be irrational - whether BCH or BTC.


Hey tek: did you just miss this post?:

The proposed fixes are listed here

https://github.com/bitcoincashorg/workgroups/blob/master/wg-malfix/summaries/20180130%20-%20Meeting%20Summary.md

Finally. We get to something concrete and debatable. Thanks.

Yes they are proposals nothing more I'm not saying that any will be adopted just that their is a chance

Exactly. Three people met and discussed what -- if anything -- to do about malleability. The outcome: nothing at this time. Slight preference for MalFix, but no consensus.

True, one of the participants was the individual who currently leads the market-leading client implementation. Was he the holdout? Who knows? Doesn't matter.

But you fail to support your claim that MalFix would result in Bitcoin Cash abandoning Bitcoin's tried and true security model. Again, put up or shut up. You may just be parroting my observation that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset has caused Bitcoin Segwit to abandon Bitcoin's tried and true security model. But you seem to fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. For it is not the separation of sig from tx within The SegWit Omnibus Changeset that has abandoned Bitcoin's security model. Rather, it is the misguided abortional crude hack of pretending that an anyonecanspend tx is anything other than exactly that, which has opened post- SegWit Omnibus Changeset Bitcoin Segwit to a myriad of new attack vectors.

Go sharpen your pencil and get back to us.

Again, until you provide some evidence, all can safely consider this claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited.

As for Bitcoin Cash users won't accept being forced into a new system the whole premise of Bitcoin cash is users nodes don't matter only mining nodes matter

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. Non-mining, fully-validating clients (often misrepresented as 'full nodes') have no power to effect the network itself. This is true whether discussing Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, or any other PoW satoshi-pattern cryptocurrency. Miners have the power to enact any change they want to - or the majority thereof does. This power is counterbalanced only by the power of users and holders to abandon any chain that does not implement the characteristics they desire. In contrast, the only power non-mining, fully-validating clients possess is to divorce themselves from the network. Period. Other than suiciding themselves, they do not affect they network in any way.

The above is true regardless of Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Segwit. For better or for worse, this is the system satoshi bequeathed us. True, miners are likely to use such chain abandonment as a signal of user/hodler displeasure. However, they are fully aware that such non-mining, fully-validating clients are subject to Sybil attacks. The only non-Sybillable resources are mining power and Bitcoin ownership, which is what makes the system work to begin with.

so you will get forced if the exchanges upgrade and the miners upgrade the users are forced to either upgrade or sell taking huge losses

Exactly - and exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

The only reason BTC users can have a say is the users run the majority of the nodes therefore the miners etc won't switch as it's not in their interest to mine something the vast majority of users define worthless

No. Non-mining, fully-validating clients are the only entities in the system subject to Sybil attack. While they bring benefits to their owners, they do nothing for the network itself. They are merely a Sybiled proxy for economic power. Again, this is exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

Still waiting on your rebuttal. Since days.

There was nothing more to say regarding the above I said my opinion


As for point 4 you may not want to see BTC Bitcoin destroyed but most of the diehard BCHers would like nothing more including ver yes he still owns some as collateral in case BCH dies but he would rather see Bitcoin go down and BCH take it's place and of he was so confident that BCH would topple Bitcoin he would sell it all.