BTC-e hacked ??

[bitjoin]

Can't foreign investors sue the Justice Department in the US if they don't get their money back? Afterall they're taking money from people outside the US following laws that are not their laws. This is basically like stealing since most people in BTC-e were not doing anything wrong basically.

Are there any EU citizens? If we don't get our money back, we should sue US.

I doubt anyone can sue the us gov.  1 thing though is when the poker sites got their domains taken years back it didn't stop customers getting money in the end. The poker sites just had to pay fine and block US customers.

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[favila]

I have $200,000$ Bitcoin in BTC-E.. about 2/3 my net worth..I have always been legit, even went out of my way and paid upward of $25,000 taxes to USGOV when I wire transferred out of BTC-E year or two ago.. There is no legal basis to steal our money, I like to think it can't be done.

I suggest wait for the dust to settle there will most likely be a way to claim your coins back, otherwise lawyer up.

[NootropicPlace]

If these funds are seized by government I wonder how many suicides there will be, we should keep track of that if aforementioned is the case.

[MAbtc]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

From my understanding, from reading the indictment, BTC-E did have servers in United States.

Yes, but the question is, what are they defining as servers? I've heard their Metatrader servers were in the US ... they used Cloudflare for DDOS protection but clearly that has nothing to do with their servers. And whatever servers may have been seized (in US or EU) may have just been running scripts to remote servers. So the authorities may not have recovered anything valuable. This might explain the lack of announcement regarding seizure of funds.

[xtimus]

Maybe we can ask poloniex to investigate the transaction

[MAbtc]

u guys think so much about your money in btc-e. i feel bad for the ones that has legit money in btc-e, but at the same time you are stupid to be trading in a exchanger that is so shady for so many years.

Well, to some extent this is true. But they had the best trading engine, best API and Metatrader. There was certainly a lot of legitimate traders and great technical features. This is why FXOpen and others used them for liquidity... and I'm sure those platforms have lost money from this.

if these guys wasnt russians, i could NEVER amagine btc-e up again. but russians has balls.

This is true. This might be the only realistic hope here.

[letsbereasonable]

I have to agree with you. There is no way the US, if they did in fact seize the assets, can legally confiscate our money. They would need to prove the money was dirty. For those of us that can prove that our funds are legitimate, they cannot hold our funds indefinitely. And if they try, we have the right to file a class action lawsuit--there are many legitimate traders and a lot of money at stake. My 9k that I invested was worth 21k. If I had withdrawn it, I would have done so through Coinbase and would have reported it in my taxes. They have no right to take my money. I will fight for it. I hope you will too. Strength in numbers.

have you not read of civil asset forfeiture? they're stepping it up too. and that's for cut and dry innocent cases. this is gonna be a real mess.

Yes and if you can prove your money is clean, you can get it back but you will have to fight for it. That just allows them to seize it without due process. This is why we need to file a class action lawsuit if they do not allow us to withdraw our funds. Having purchased coins with a verified identity on Coinbase, I am personally not worried. It's very easy for me to prove that I wasn't involved in any crime. And who knows, maybe it won't even come to this. Maybe in a week they will let us withdraw.

However, if not, we need to start thinking about how to band together in this and get the ball rolling with an attorney. You all should start gathering your personal account information/emails/transfers/wallet addresses that will help your case and show that your assets were obtained legally. If it comes to it, we can put it all together and hand it over to an attorney.

[vortexz]

If I am from Asia, can i claim my BTC stucked in BTC-e exchange?
i am ready to provide proof and other required documents

[E_1337]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

It is possible. They moved out 0.0001 ETH and then in 0.0001 from clearly someones private ETH wallet, because there is poloniex transfers.

It can be a troll sending back the 0.0001 ETH from another ETH account because he seeing action on the BTC-e ETH wallet and wants to stirr up more shit right?

[MAbtc]

Right now, only Vinnik is indicted. BTC-e only received a fine (as far as we know).

Unfortunately, it's worse than that. BTC-E was indicted on two counts, as part of the same indictment -- running an unlicensed money service business and conspiracy to commit money laundering. And the feds seized their main domain (BTC-E.nz still seems untouched, not sure about the others). So it looks a bit more grim; I think they expected that $110mm fine to be paid out of seized funds. But it's still not entirely clear if they were able to seize funds. One would think they would have announced it in the initial press releases...

[bj9k]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

It is possible. They moved out 0.0001 ETH and then in 0.0001 from clearly someones private ETH wallet, because there is poloniex transfers.

It can be a troll sending back the 0.0001 ETH from another ETH account because he seeing action on the BTC-e ETH wallet and wants to stirr up more shit right?

That is one possibility but if you check that middle account that had only 2 transactions before this 0.0001 transaction it makes it hard to believe that it is average joe personal account.

[thenoblebot]

Yes and if you can prove your money is clean, you can get it back but you will have to fight for it. That just allows them to seize it without due process. This is why we need to file a class action lawsuit if they do not allow us to withdraw our funds. Having purchased coins with a verified identity on Coinbase, I am personally not worried. It's very easy for me to prove that I wasn't involved in any crime. And who knows, maybe it won't even come to this. Maybe in a week they will let us withdraw.

However, if not, we need to start thinking about how to band together in this and get the ball rolling with an attorney. You all should start gathering your personal account information/emails/transfers/wallet addresses that will help your case and show that your assets were obtained legally. If it comes to it, we can put it all together and hand it over to an attorney.

The situation is somewhat ridiculous, don't blame you for saying that. Instead of the Feds proving people are criminals, people will have to prove they are innocent. That is what it has come to !! This narrative needs to change - all users should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. The mainstream media is simply assuming what the US wants them to - need to step up and stand up. Innocent until proven guilty.

[WhPh]

For me these 3 transactions look like somebody have set up a script to:
1. transfer 0.0001 ETH
2. wait an hour
3. transfer the whole sum (original one, including that 0.0001 ETH)

Now pay attention that (1) makes (3) impossible: the transaction would be invalid without that 0.0001 ETH
So my guess is that somebody made an incoming transaction of 0.0001 after he checked that everything is fine and this was a way to enable transaction of the big money.

Don't think that feds would do such complicated transfer.

[bj9k]

For me these 3 transactions look like somebody have set up a script to:
1. transfer 0.0001 ETH
2. wait an hour
3. transfer the whole sum (original one, including that 0.0001 ETH)

Now pay attention that (1) makes (3) impossible: the transaction would be invalid without that 0.0001 ETH
So my guess is that somebody made an incoming transaction of 0.0001 after he checked that everything is fine and this was a way to enable transaction of the big money.

Don't think that feds would do such complicated transfer.

Question is why 0.0001 was sent back from 3rd account https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234 and why this account received another payout from Poloniex after that 0.0001

[donalddump]

What if btc-e admins dump database with every email address and balance after fbi seized their funds and 51% of btc,ltc,etc. miners decide to empty fbi addresses containing stolen fund and refund the innocents?

In the end all cryptos are open source, everyone is free to modify and run the version they want so it will not be anything illegal.

This will send a strong message to US that if they play dirty the community can play dirty too.

[locked_in]

US or BTC/e owners withdraw the ETH for the fine to be paied,....

they wont allow anyone to pay their fines with the actual funds that were seized as part of the criminal investigation lol

[stompix]

What if btc-e admins dump database with every email address and balance after fbi seized their funds and 51% of btc,ltc,etc. miners decide to empty fbi addresses containing stolen fund and refund the innocents?

In the end all cryptos are open source, everyone is free to modify and run the version they want so it will not be anything illegal.

This will send a strong message to US that if they play dirty the community can play dirty too.

It's going to be the end of crypto.

It has been debated on every hack, it has been debated on the last FBI auction.
By doing this the miners will act like a central bank so it will set a precedent.
Who will be next?

[mv_USA_devnull]

From my understanding, from reading the indictment, BTC-E did have servers in United States.

Yes they did have servers in the USA but only according to the "world police" USA.

PDF of the indictment is here: btc-e indictment (click the link "Download Vinnik Superseding Indictment Redacted" at the very bottom of the page).

So now, please define "server".

BTC-e.com had a lot of servers in multiple countries. It was not only cloudfare.com but also for example pusher.com (api for realtime trading data to extend the (polling) REST api).

Now, if BTC-e delegated (outsourced!) some parts of its service to services like cloudflare or pusher, did they themself operate servers in the USA?

That is the question.

You can make the comparison with Swiss banks.

Swiss banks (UBS and others) actually did send their employees to the USA, they acted within US territory and hence in that case the Swiss banks and the according employees were really guilty.

But in the case of BTC-e, running some btc-e servers located in USA without any BTC-e staff on site I cannot see any infringement.

[erk]

Right now, only Vinnik is indicted. BTC-e only received a fine (as far as we know).

Unfortunately, it's worse than that. BTC-E was indicted on two counts, as part of the same indictment -- running an unlicensed money service business and conspiracy to commit money laundering. And the feds seized their main domain (BTC-E.nz still seems untouched, not sure about the others). So it looks a bit more grim; I think they expected that $110mm fine to be paid out of seized funds. But it's still not entirely clear if they were able to seize funds. One would think they would have announced it in the initial press releases...

Yes, but the were not running the business in the US, and there is no mention of a take down order which would only be enforceable for companies under US jurisdiction. To take someone else down overseas requires the action of local authorities, the US are not going to raid and snatch things in another country without a political uproar.

What I think is most likely is the BTC-e hosting provider was US owned and took them offline so they are looking for a new provider.

If BTC-e have instead decided to close up shop and do a runner, which would be a bad thing to do as it's an admission of guilt, then the chase begins.

[bj9k]

(copied from irc chat) Balthazar response on ETH movement:

"Well, ETH stash is still incomparable to BTC wallets. Anyway, FBI would notify everybody in the world in case of successful seizure of funds. So I think that it's just a new wallet created by automatical task which is still function properly. It looks like at least some part of exchange's infrastructure is still up."