BTC-e hacked ??

[deisik]

What's the problem with that?

You seem to underestimate how whole-heartedly and how much the US is hated in the world. I guess there would be enough people eager to get that job even for half pay just for the feeling they are doing something which is going to show Murica the middle finger

Feels are not important but treaties that many countries have been forced to sign with USA. Would you risk to go into jail in a foreign country and be threatened to be extradited into USA like that happen to Vinnik (who ever he is and forget that he might be rich)?! Think about his family, think how your family will feel thinking of you being held in jail in a foreign country 5000km away. That's the question for each employee and they know that. Or do you think that they are Russian mafia boys without families?

I get you are disconnected from reality

Thousand of people from developed countries and from all over the world join terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS risking and actually paying with their lives just for some obscure idea of fairness, justice and equality (as these dudes understand them). Now you talk about otherwise quite decent job which actually serves for the betterment of society. Feelings are what driving not just separate people but the whole humanity

You are really legendary. Who's going to work for YOUR ability to trade and to make MONEY for yourself while risking to get into jail? ? ? ? ? How stupid you want them to be! This is about money and not ideas

Why are you repeating the same stuff again and again?

Could you just accept that there will be enough people to help Btc-e rise from the ashes despite all the warrants the US government may order, the threats of imprisonment they may throw, and the fears of being extradited to the US and prosecuted they may instill? People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking even if they know that they will be prosecuted if caught, and there are still enough drug-dealers. Now compare those nasty and filthy operations to something which most of us consider the right thing to do

Who's helping them? You can't help them. They don't need your help.

"People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking"...... you want to say that btc-e operators are really some mafia guys deliberately doing illegal things?

First learn to read

Then learn to understand what is being said or written. I meant to say that a lot of people are voluntarily involved in activities that are considered as nefarious and despicable by the majority of sane people in any part of the world. This was to show that helping or just working for Btc-e is not really a question of whether there will be enough hands. This was not to show that what they do has anything in common with criminal operations. Now I'm seriously starting to wonder what is your agenda here

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[bj9k]

What's the problem with that?

You seem to underestimate how whole-heartedly and how much the US is hated in the world. I guess there would be enough people eager to get that job even for half pay just for the feeling they are doing something which is going to show Murica the middle finger

Feels are not important but treaties that many countries have been forced to sign with USA. Would you risk to go into jail in a foreign country and be threatened to be extradited into USA like that happen to Vinnik (who ever he is and forget that he might be rich)?! Think about his family, think how your family will feel thinking of you being held in jail in a foreign country 5000km away. That's the question for each employee and they know that. Or do you think that they are Russian mafia boys without families?

I get you are disconnected from reality

Thousand of people from developed countries and from all over the world join terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS risking and actually paying with their lives just for some obscure idea of fairness, justice and equality (as these dudes understand them). Now you talk about otherwise quite decent job which actually serves for the betterment of society. Feelings are what driving not just separate people but the whole humanity

You are really legendary. Who's going to work for YOUR ability to trade and to make MONEY for yourself while risking to get into jail? ? ? ? ? How stupid you want them to be! This is about money and not ideas

Why are you repeating the same stuff again and again?

Could you just accept that there will be enough people to help Btc-e rise from the ashes despite all the warrants the US government may order, the threats of imprisonment they may throw, and the fears of being extradited to the US and prosecuted they may instill? People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking even if they know that they will be prosecuted if caught, and there are still enough drug-dealers. Now compare those nasty and filthy operations to something which most of us consider the right thing to do

Who's helping them? You can't help them. They don't need your help.

"People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking"...... you want to say that btc-e operators are really some mafia guys deliberately doing illegal things?

First learn to read

Then learn to understand what is being said or written. I meant to say that that people are voluntarily involved in activities that are considered as nefarious and despicable by the majority of sane people in any part of the world. This was to show that helping or just working for them Btc-e is not really a question of whether there will be enough hands. This was not to show that what they do has anything in common with criminal operation. Now I'm seriously starting to wonder what is your agenda here

I understood you very well but you haven't understood what you have actually said. You are actually saying that anyone desperate, stupid or mafia is ok to run an exchange.

Wait for US wild west to return.

[jojo69]

Wait for US wild west to return.

listen you Statist fuck

learn to edit out all but the most recent reply or get ignored

[fuckfbi]

im a victim and i didnt read forums for 2 days. i didnt bellive we got our coins before

and i still dont bellive we will get them


cya in a couple days

[deisik]

What's the problem with that?

You seem to underestimate how whole-heartedly and how much the US is hated in the world. I guess there would be enough people eager to get that job even for half pay just for the feeling they are doing something which is going to show Murica the middle finger

Feels are not important but treaties that many countries have been forced to sign with USA. Would you risk to go into jail in a foreign country and be threatened to be extradited into USA like that happen to Vinnik (who ever he is and forget that he might be rich)?! Think about his family, think how your family will feel thinking of you being held in jail in a foreign country 5000km away. That's the question for each employee and they know that. Or do you think that they are Russian mafia boys without families?

I get you are disconnected from reality

Thousand of people from developed countries and from all over the world join terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS risking and actually paying with their lives just for some obscure idea of fairness, justice and equality (as these dudes understand them). Now you talk about otherwise quite decent job which actually serves for the betterment of society. Feelings are what driving not just separate people but the whole humanity

You are really legendary. Who's going to work for YOUR ability to trade and to make MONEY for yourself while risking to get into jail? ? ? ? ? How stupid you want them to be! This is about money and not ideas

Why are you repeating the same stuff again and again?

Could you just accept that there will be enough people to help Btc-e rise from the ashes despite all the warrants the US government may order, the threats of imprisonment they may throw, and the fears of being extradited to the US and prosecuted they may instill? People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking even if they know that they will be prosecuted if caught, and there are still enough drug-dealers. Now compare those nasty and filthy operations to something which most of us consider the right thing to do

Who's helping them? You can't help them. They don't need your help.

"People are consciously involved in drug-trafficking"...... you want to say that btc-e operators are really some mafia guys deliberately doing illegal things?

First learn to read

Then learn to understand what is being said or written. I meant to say that that people are voluntarily involved in activities that are considered as nefarious and despicable by the majority of sane people in any part of the world. This was to show that helping or just working for them Btc-e is not really a question of whether there will be enough hands. This was not to show that what they do has anything in common with criminal operation. Now I'm seriously starting to wonder what is your agenda here

I understood you very well but you haven't understood what you have actually said. You are actually saying that anyone desperate, stupid or mafia is ok to run an exchange.

Wait for US wild west to return

Oh, now you no longer talk about not enough hands

How come really? I remember that you started with claiming that no one is going to work for Btce-e because "would you be working as an employee for an exchange that there is international arrest warrant against it"? And now you seem to proceed to what you actually meant to say (but didn't say) that Btc-e is a criminal operation. But I can only tell you what I have already told, i.e. many people don't actually think of this exchange as a criminal operation, and that's why the exchange won't have any issues with helping hands or just hiring qualified personnel. No need to distort my point (since that's what you are trying to do right now). Btc-e is not a criminal operation in the public eye (at least, not in the eye of Bitcoin users)

[bj9k]

Oh, now you no longer talk about not enough hands

How come really? I remember that you started with claiming that no one is going to work for Btce-e because "would you be working as an employee for an exchange that there is international arrest warrant against it"? And now you seem to proceed to what you actually meant to say (but didn't say) that Btc-e is a criminal operation. But I can only tell you what I have already told, i.e. many people don't actually think of this exchange as a criminal operation, and that's why they won't have any issues with helping hands or just hiring qualified personnel. No need to distort my point (since that's what you are trying to do now)

You have said that not me. You are completely lost. You have equalized exchange work with illegal ideas, needs and wishes. On contrary I have said that BTC-e employees and owners will first think of their personal safety and their families. So be real that there are very slim chances that BTC-e will be back. That's the only reason why they have extended this waiting period for 30 days. Nothing else!

[jojo69]

better

[matt4054]

better

...call Saul?

[bitcoinlitcoinbtcltc]

this bullshit, they arent going to refund a penny

[bj9k]

better

I don't see you have insulted your buddy deisik for long quotations. I have shorten quotation because I wanted to bring that discussion to an end and not because of your insulting comment.

[stompix]

they manage to land this thing they are my go-to exchange for sure

Is this a B-17?

Judging by the tail fin, yes that's a B-17. ))
But comparing the exchange with the bomber...not so great idea.
That thing came back after killing a few, same will happen with btc-e if it does.
A few will get fleeced.

[bj9k]

This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?

[SEELE^^01]

better

...call Saul?

thats it! .... rofl

[bonker]

This tread is in danger of turning into a shitposting contest. Please remain on topic gentlemen. Obviously not ladies, because ladies don't understand crypto and are probably posting endless shit selfies on facebook as we speak.

[deisik]

Oh, now you no longer talk about not enough hands

How come really? I remember that you started with claiming that no one is going to work for Btce-e because "would you be working as an employee for an exchange that there is international arrest warrant against it"? And now you seem to proceed to what you actually meant to say (but didn't say) that Btc-e is a criminal operation. But I can only tell you what I have already told, i.e. many people don't actually think of this exchange as a criminal operation, and that's why they won't have any issues with helping hands or just hiring qualified personnel. No need to distort my point (since that's what you are trying to do now)

You have said that not me. You are completely lost. You have equalized exchange work with illegal ideas, needs and wishes. On contrary I have said that BTC-e employees and owners will first think of their personal safety and their families. So be real that there are very slim chances that BTC-e will be back. That's the only reason why they have extended this waiting period for 30 days. Nothing else!

What the fuck are you talking about?

It seems like you can't meaningfully address my point and now simply try to assert some bullshit like I'm "completely lost". I don't think anyone will fall victim to your demagoguery but regardless I repeat that if outright illegal and nefarious activities attract enough people to keep these activities ticking, something which is considered as perfectly legit in the public eye will attract even more people with helping hand even if there are numerous warrants, threats, extraditions, prosecutions, and whatnot issued and performed by some rogue government like that of the US. But that doesn't in the least mean that this activity is of the same kind that I mentioned. Do you understand that? Further, whatever bad things Uncle Sam may say or assert in respect to something, that won't suffice, and still less so if it is not in fact bad at all

[bonker]

This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?

If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

[erk]

If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

The US gov behaves like a gigantic organized crime mob, stand over tactics and all. It's so big that the people think it's legitimate because they know no better having been brought up with it's spin. Corruption is everywhere. If the government was for the people, they would be the ones encouraging crypto and privacy, not trying to force it underground.

[bj9k]

This situation with BTC-e is not important just to BTC-e but for the whole crypto exchange system.

For example, SimpleFX (exchange?) is not allowing transfers between crypto and hard currency balances. You can trade crypto-hard pairs but you can't: deposit crypto then buy usd and then use that usd to fund mt4 account or to withdraw that usd bought onto EXCHANGE(?). FXOpen does not allow US citizens. Will the rest of exchanges follow those rules?

If theres one thing I've learnt from all this bullshit is that the biggest problem is crypto is fiat. If a viable living economy can exist purely based on crypto, then the ties to fiat can be cut and these government shakedowns can end

That's the problem only with USD cash because US gov thinks that if you accept or send USD that you are doing business with USA. And you are actually doing business with them because dealing with any foreign fiat you are actually influencing their country payment system by freezing or releasing their own funds onto which they have no legal influence (if there were not those AML and so USA treaties). It just depends the scale of that business when they will react.

[OMlite]

Guys, please keep the topic clean. It serves an important purpose.
If you have to dump bullshit, simply open a new topic.

"To date, part of the service funds were arrested by FBI"

Probably the fiat.

hot wallets for automated trade settlement

Although... they really chose to put the hot wallets on US resident servers?

That's not clear at all. But they may have been in a country more friendly to US intervention than they thought. Ideally, the keys on such servers would be encrypted, with the database and exchange data being constantly dumped to remote servers. But it's really unclear how much of the infrastructure was left intact.

That's the part I miss.
How can a company such as BTC-e, which has anonymous shell companies in the virgin islands and so on... leave hot wallets valued hundreds of millions... in US friendly servers?
I still believe that crypto assets are not in Fed hands, although this does not necessarily mean that they will return to right owners.

Anyway:

- A popular bitcoin mixer suddenly decided to stop it service 2 days before btc-e went down
- Alexander Vinnik arrested in Greece and suspected to be the head of btc-e
- On July 27th a popular antiddos hosting service moved all their network equipment to another datacenter (probably to avoid this type of problem in the future because they also host an exchanger service almost similar to btc-e)

From the russian thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056158.msg20521221#msg20521221

Anyone has info about point 1 and 3?
Name of the services etc?


 

[jojo69]

I don't see you have insulted your buddy deisik for long quotations. I have shorten quotation because I wanted to bring that discussion to an end and not because of your insulting comment.

yeah, I was going to PM him about it, because he isn't a Statist fuck