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August 17, 2017, 12:41:04 PM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.
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August 17, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
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Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

Yesterday I have received fake Bittrex notification about my account to be frozen because of inactivity. After inspecting their link that link was actually for bittrex.CAM instead of .COM

But anyway I have never opened account on Bittrex anyway. Seems that this phishing issue is based on BTC-e stolen data couple of years ago.
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August 17, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
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Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

Yesterday I have received fake Bittrex notification about my account to be frozen because of inactivity. After inspecting their link that link was actually for bittrex.CAM instead of .COM

lol might as well been bittrex.SCAM xD
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August 18, 2017, 08:21:20 AM
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So, no more actual refund for fiat holders? They will be paid 100% in shit tokens?
This is unfair as I never actually deposited fiat. I deposited bitcoin and converted it to USD for trading purpose.

Fiat holders will get a mix of 7 cryptos for 55% of their balance, BTE tokens for other 45%

No, after last update it is clear, everybody gets his "balance currency". E.g. Coin holder gets 55% coins and Fiat holder gets 55% fiat. Then you can do whatever you want or what is possible with your balance.
They didn't clearly mention that they have aborted the plan to give fiat users mix of seven coin but one of their post seems to suggest what you are saying.
I think if they are able to pay in fiat by some means it would be better. As ALT could easily crash and Fiat users end up losing more.

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August 18, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
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They didn't clearly mention that they have aborted the plan to give fiat users mix of seven coin but one of their post seems to suggest what you are saying.
I think if they are able to pay in fiat by some means it would be better. As ALT could easily crash and Fiat users end up losing more.
How are they going to pay fiat when the fiat accounts are what was seized?

Perhaps they can conjure fiat out of thing air like central banks do?

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August 18, 2017, 10:17:51 AM
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They didn't clearly mention that they have aborted the plan to give fiat users mix of seven coin but one of their post seems to suggest what you are saying.
I think if they are able to pay in fiat by some means it would be better. As ALT could easily crash and Fiat users end up losing more.
How are they going to pay fiat when the fiat accounts are what was seized?

Perhaps they can conjure fiat out of thing air like central banks do?


Maybe pay via some third party payment processor like Webmoney. But, it could also be unsafe.
Is it possible that they pay us via USDT? This seems to be safer.

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August 18, 2017, 10:59:08 AM
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Maybe pay via some third party payment processor like Webmoney. But, it could also be unsafe.
Is it possible that they pay us via USDT? This seems to be safer.

You are missing a very basic point, without access to the seized fiat accounts, BTC-e have a massive shortfall in their assets to pay anything with!



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August 18, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
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Maybe pay via some third party payment processor like Webmoney. But, it could also be unsafe.
Is it possible that they pay us via USDT? This seems to be safer.

You are missing a very basic point, without access to the seized fiat accounts, BTC-e have a massive shortfall in their assets to pay anything with!




I'm not missing anything. BTC-E already announced that they have access to 55% funds and losses will be socialized among crypto and fiat holders. Both crypto and fiat holders will get 55% instantly on relaunch and the rest in the form debt tokens.

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August 18, 2017, 11:57:13 AM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

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I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?

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August 18, 2017, 12:23:53 PM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

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I did not know that information



I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?


That's because it's BS, mayax is a troll and should be on everyone's Ignore List.

Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.

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August 18, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

 Shocked

I did not know that information



I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?


That's because it's BS, mayax is a troll and should be on everyone's Ignore List.

Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.



I am sorry to say that you are misinformed(I don't want to say that you are so stupid because you are an arrogant kid) Smiley

according to FINCEN : a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts de-centralized virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.

so, ALL the exchangers are MSB(even they don't deal with fiat), including the miners who are selling bitcoin for currency, little snotty .

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August 18, 2017, 03:50:37 PM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

 Shocked

I did not know that information



I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?


That's because it's BS, mayax is a troll and should be on everyone's Ignore List.

Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.



I am sorry to say that you are misinformed(I don't want to say that you are so stupid because you are an arrogant kid) Smiley

according to FINCEN : a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts de-centralized virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.

so, ALL the exchangers are MSB(even they don't deal with fiat), including the miners who are selling bitcoin for currency, little snotty .



Although you are correct that the US exchanges (even crypto-to-crypto), are indeed required to register with FinCen and the individual States as an MSB, I don't think you have properly inquired into Bitrrex in the FinCen MSB Database.

It would appear they registered as of May and do indeed have licenses applicable in all States.

Do the do diligence if you're going to accuse someone of something instead of getting obstreperous over a non-issue; you're going to give yourself a heart-attack.


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Although you are correct that the US exchanges (even crypto-to-crypto), are indeed required to register with FinCen and the individual States as an MSB, I don't think you have properly inquired into Bitrrex in the FinCen MSB Database.

It would appear they registered as of May and do indeed have licenses applicable in all States.

Do the do diligence if you're going to accuse someone of something instead of getting obstreperous over a non-issue; you're going to give yourself a heart-attack.


I  did the due diligence. Smiley

FinCEN number it's just federal registration number. It is NOT a license. FinEN registration does NOT provide you licensing rights to operate as a money transmitter in the States.  

Any exchanger who want to operates in USA(this includes Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex and many others) MUST register as MSB in  ALL the States where they want to make business and then to register with FINCEN.

They register on FINCEN website(it's very simple do that; you can do it yourself by using any name you want) and they are saying that they are MSB. It's a PURE LIE  Smiley

If you take a look on FINCEN website(at bottom), you will notice that there is an alert toward to this thing :

"Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN"

https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-search

Many exchangers are lying and misleading. In fact, they have no license, so they are considered as unlicensed money transmitting business.
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August 18, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
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I  did the do diligence. Smiley

FinCEN number it's just federal registration number. It is NOT a license. FinEN registration does NOT provide you licensing rights to operate as a money transmitter in the States.  

Any exchanger who want to operates in USA(this includes Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex and many others) MUST register as MSB in  ALL the States where they want to make business and then to register with FINCEN.

They register on FINCEN website(it's very simple do that; you can do it yourself by using any name you want) and they are saying that they are MSB. It's a PURE LIE  Smiley

If you take a look on FINCEN website(at bottom), you will notice that there is an alert toward to this thing :

"Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN"

https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-search

Many exchangers are lying and misleading. In fact, they have no license, so they are considered as unlicensed money transmitting business.

Wow if they are blatantly lying and deceiving people about it yes that is very bad.

You may be right because I looked them up here: http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org/Home.aspx/SubSearch?searchText=Bittrex%2c+Inc

Which is supposed to show the State licenses obtained by any financial service providers and it doesn't list them here. Have you checked the various department of State websites to see if they provide any other licensing info?

This is actually pretty incredible if true....people should get their money OFF bittrex until they register...
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August 18, 2017, 08:16:10 PM
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Get out with your exchanges shit talk, it is about btce here.
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August 18, 2017, 08:24:12 PM
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Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.

Their legal teams may have determined that revoking service from Washington customers is sufficient, but at least in the case of Polo, their own terms of service contradict their legal compliance requirements:

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Poloniex is registered with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (“FinCEN”) as a Money Services Business (“MSB”), registration number 31000091844018. Poloniex may be required to file details of Account activity to FinCEN from time to time. Poloniex may also be required to provide information to government agencies as required by law to other state or federal agencies.

They openly admit that they are an MSB, yet they do not hold any licenses anywhere. It's almost like they announced to FINCEN, "Hey, look! I'm an unlicensed MSB, operating in 49 US states. Come shut me down and fine me!"

Personally, I get the risks, and they can be worth it. But you need to be a good trader capitalizing on the massive volatility, and you need to minimize the time you hold funds on these unlicensed exchanges, especially after what happened to BTC-e last month. Don't expose too much of your funds to this risk, and mitigate it as much as possible.

And if you're a losing trader, don't bother. Get your funds out.
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August 18, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
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Get out with your exchanges shit talk, it is about btce here.

BTC-e is a dead shit so the comments are pretty useless. Their users lost the funds and now they are whining tjat about even most of them knew what shit exchanger are using   Cheesy


De mortuis nil nisi bonum   Grin

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August 18, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
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There were MANY warnings about BTC-e as they are about Poloniex, Kraken and Bitfinex.   Mark my words literally : all these exchangers will be closed soon. I said the same about BTC-e and literally it was like that Smiley

today, many are still using these exchangers despite the high risks and they will come whining that some "authority" seized their funds (like they are doing with BTC-e now ). Smiley  

yes, this thing is amazing.



Are you forecasting closure for Bitstamp , Coinbase, Bittrex as well even though they're regulated ?

Bittrex is NOT regulated so it can be closed anytime.

 Shocked

I did not know that information



I know it may sound like I came here to make jokes, but the intention is not this, does anyone here believe that can recover his bitcoin?


That's because it's BS, mayax is a troll and should be on everyone's Ignore List.

Bittrex is a crypto only exchange, no fiat.
The only place that regulates pure crypto exchanges is Washington State, and both Bitfinex and Poloniex don't service customers from there as part of the terms and condition.



I am sorry to say that you are misinformed(I don't want to say that you are so stupid because you are an arrogant kid) Smiley

according to FINCEN : a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts de-centralized virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.

so, ALL the exchangers are MSB(even they don't deal with fiat), including the miners who are selling bitcoin for currency, little snotty .



HI Mynax. I would never ignore you , however I never get round to actually reading your posts

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August 19, 2017, 01:56:41 PM
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I think they are already SCAM, no convinced reason to comeback. They are just need more times to disperse the fun, so that no one will prosecute them. Everyone will just wait for their Update and do nothing... Dont lie yourselves anymore guys. It's just like a joke for people out of this.

Feel sorry.
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August 19, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
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I think they are already SCAM, no convinced reason to comeback. They are just need more times to disperse the fun, so that no one will prosecute them. Everyone will just wait for their Update and do nothing... Dont lie yourselves anymore guys. It's just like a joke for people out of this.

Feel sorry.

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