BTC-e hacked ??

[NootropicPlace]

I have $200,000$ Bitcoin in BTC-E.. about 2/3 my net worth..I have always been legit, even went out of my way and paid upward of $25,000 taxes to USGOV when I wire transferred out of BTC-E year or two ago.. There is no legal basis to steal our money, I like to think it can't be done.

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[smartcrypto]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

no chance of feds sitting prepping an empty account 50days ago.(no need for this really).
no need for a btc-e admin to use some account receiving payouts from poloniex either.
which makes me think its plausible the feds really are using it to transfer to some wallet which was setup 50 days ago. (a laptop or pc in some basement?). not sure because taking control of such amount would require some kind of state approval? lol.

[mv_USA_devnull]

https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/address/LXA3i9eEAVDbgDqkThCa4D6BUJ3SEULkEr/

Just for reference, this should be one of the BTC-e litecoin hotwallet

Any evidence?

[E_1337]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

Also it is strange that above account received another payout from Poloniex AFTER 0.0001 test. Weird who ever is in control of it. But maybe some else was joking.

Did not even notice that I thought it was the same account testing it by sending it back wtf 

[OMlite]

https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/address/LXA3i9eEAVDbgDqkThCa4D6BUJ3SEULkEr/

Just for reference, this should be one of the BTC-e litecoin hotwallet

Any evidence?

Followed one of my LTC deposits (made several months ago).
If someone has ever sent LTC to BTC-e can verify as well.

[bj9k]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

no chance of feds sitting prepping an empty account 50days ago.(no need for this really).
no need for a btc-e admin to use some account receiving payouts from poloniex either.
which makes me think its plausible the feds really are using it to transfer to some wallet which was setup 50 days ago. (a laptop or pc in some basement?). not sure because taking control of such amount would require some kind of state approval? lol.

The question is why that account received payout from Poloniex AFTER 0.0001 test.

[MAbtc]

Well, I'm not saying there is a good outcome here. I don't think there will be. But I also don't think Vinnik is an owner, nor has access to BTC-E's storage. If you read the Russian forums, those who have been in contact with the owners and admins over the years -- none of them recognize this Vinnik. I don't think the owners would step foot in Greece, either.

But this might all be irrelevant. What matters is that the feds want to shut down BTC-E. What the feds want, they usually get

This is not always the case

Sometimes they fail miserably. They wanted Snowden extradited, and they had to back off eventually. If the Russian government steps in, all those bald eagles may have to fuck off instantly. Say, Putin through his minions like Greff allows the owners to restart the exchange under whatever name in Russia or in some friendly country or territory (like Abkhazia or Mongolia). In fact, there were certain rumors that Btc-e exchange is (was) strongly affiliated with Sberbank, the biggest Russian state-owned bank. For example, Btc-e has never had any issues with Yandex.Money (at least, as long as I remember), the online payment processing service owned by Sberbank. Further, fiat transactions seem to have been processed via Mongolian companies (banks) where Uncle Sam has no footing altogether. So it all mostly comes down to safety of the crypto wallets and whether the FBI managed to seize any coins

Indeed, sometimes they fail miserably in political situations against e.g. Russia. But I don't see that happening here. BTC-E was banned in Russia long ago (hence the popularity of the .nz domain). I believe they were on BTC-E.ru and moved to .com and supposedly to Bulgaria because of this. And Russia is still busy banning access to exchanges today. Why change stance here and now? If they've never had any issues with Yandex, I'm not sure it follows that they are cozy with the Russian government. Agreed, it seems likely that their bank accounts in Mongolia are untouched, so if there was not much to freeze in their 3rd party Okpay/Moneypolo accounts, that might explain the lack of mention of funds being seized by the feds.

But even if most of their fiat and crypto are intact...and absent some highly political intervention by e.g. Russia, how can they survive under constant threat from the FBI? Operate like the Pirate Bay did and constantly shift domains? How can they manage to pay people fiat? I suppose shell company payment processors work in the poker world (to some extent), maybe it could still work for BTC-E. It just seems far fetched to me at this point, without some miracle intervention like you mentioned. That would be interesting as hell, though.

I certainly know about the overall negative attitude of the Russian government toward Bitcoin in the past years. But if we are to get things as straight as possible, Bitcoin has never been banned in Russia. All these years it remained in gray zone entirely. But recently this attitude seem to have started to change dramatically, so the question is now about legalizing Bitcoin in Russia (regardless of Btc-e), at least to a certain degree. In this manner, protecting the money of Russian citizens (which were the most numerous group of traders at this exchange) may be the step in that direction, especially given the current political circumstances and tensions rising between the US and Russia

Anyway, we can only wait and see right now

I agree, the attitudes of governments globally (including Russia) seem to be softening towards Bitcoin. And I would hope that Russia has an interest in protecting its residents here. Unfortunately, I suspect BTC-E is too small, and being actively banned in Russia seems to make this possibility less likely.

Indeed, we can only hope for the best, and otherwise try to move on...

[letsbereasonable]

I have $200,000$ Bitcoin in BTC-E.. about 2/3 my net worth..I have always been legit, even went out of my way and paid upward of $25,000 taxes to USGOV when I wire transferred out of BTC-E year or two ago.. There is no legal basis to steal our money, I like to think it can't be done.

I have to agree with you. There is no way the US, if they did in fact seize the assets, can legally confiscate our money. They would need to prove the money was dirty. For those of us that can prove that our funds are legitimate, they cannot hold our funds indefinitely. And if they try, we have the right to file a class action lawsuit--there are many legitimate traders and a lot of money at stake. My 9k that I invested was worth 21k. If I had withdrawn it, I would have done so through Coinbase and would have reported it in my taxes. They have no right to take my money. I will fight for it. I hope you will too. Strength in numbers.

[npsonic]

Here is all our ETH

https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6

[European Central Bank]

I have to agree with you. There is no way the US, if they did in fact seize the assets, can legally confiscate our money. They would need to prove the money was dirty. For those of us that can prove that our funds are legitimate, they cannot hold our funds indefinitely. And if they try, we have the right to file a class action lawsuit--there are many legitimate traders and a lot of money at stake. My 9k that I invested was worth 21k. If I had withdrawn it, I would have done so through Coinbase and would have reported it in my taxes. They have no right to take my money. I will fight for it. I hope you will too. Strength in numbers.

have you not read of civil asset forfeiture? they're stepping it up too. and that's for cut and dry innocent cases. this is gonna be a real mess.

[E_1337]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

no chance of feds sitting prepping an empty account 50days ago.(no need for this really).
no need for a btc-e admin to use some account receiving payouts from poloniex either.
which makes me think its plausible the feds really are using it to transfer to some wallet which was setup 50 days ago. (a laptop or pc in some basement?). not sure because taking control of such amount would require some kind of state approval? lol.

The question is why that account received payout from Poloniex AFTER 0.0001 test.

Strange the plot thickens...

[LightningSphere]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

[MAbtc]

I think we lost all. Would like everybody have his money back,but if we lost better than russian btce guys steal our money and not usa goverment,that they are the biggest thieves

are you out of your mind?
BTC-e has been sized because it was doing illegal business.
Or, at least, one of its head operator was.
They are responsible of all the money lost. And you also want to give them a hug?

If the coins have not been seized by Fed (as it seems for now)... they have to return them.
Otherwise they will be additionally charge of theft and fraud.

They cannot simply disappear with the money. And no one should wish this.
(unless you work at BTCe )

As far As I can see, there are 3 options:
1). money has been seized. bye bye money.
2). btc-e still have all the money (at least the crypto assets) and they run for it. ---> They already have the feds on their tails. The feds would love to tear them all apart confirming that btc-e was "indeed an illegal operation". More arrests follow.
3). BTC-e dismisses the arrested guy. Pays the fine. Restores a mirror site, enforces rules, and gives back the money.

The third option will:
Keep most of BTC-e employers out of jail.
Restoring (although it takes time) the valuable business they had.
Return money to happy costumers that will praise their new god (btc-e).

We will see how it plays.
But please, stop wishing that Russian guys have steal the money

Entirely reasonable analysis in a sea of chaos, thanks buddy.

The trouble with the conclusion made is that in the the third scenario, the feds are still on their tails. So they are risking arrest and seizure of funds. Customers know this too, so reopening to keep "printing money" starts to look less fruitful. I get the feeling given the language from the agency press releases and money laundering charge against BTC-E that they aren't interested in letting them operate in any capacity. Sure, they could play cat-and-mouse with domains or even run a TOR hidden service, but that seems quite risky for the admins. I also think doing so would put Mayzus Financial / Okpay in jeopardy (if they aren't already), because of their close connections to BTC-E.

[NootropicPlace]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

From my understanding, from reading the indictment, BTC-E did have servers in United States.

[LavaWave]

What are the chances of getting the amount back?
one of my friends 31BTC stuck in it..

he wasnt expected something like this to happen..

[CaptainClaw]

https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/address/LXA3i9eEAVDbgDqkThCa4D6BUJ3SEULkEr/

Just for reference, this should be one of the BTC-e litecoin hotwallet

Any evidence?

Followed one of my LTC deposits (made several months ago).
If someone has ever sent LTC to BTC-e can verify as well.

I can verify this is also where my LTC went

[npsonic]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

It is possible. They moved out 0.0001 ETH and then in 0.0001 from clearly someones private ETH wallet, because there is poloniex transfers.

[bj9k]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).
So could it be this ETH move is done by the BTC-e admins for their new website???

Servers are in USA at Equinix, at least some.

Btw to all....... chat channel about BTC-e at: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#fegbox

[MAbtc]

As far as I know, the BTC-e servers are in russia, US can't have taken them and so I don't think they have any private keys at all (maybe only Alexanders one from his phone).

Why do you think their servers were in Russia? Their main domain was banned in Russia. They used to run on BTC-E.ru before moving to .com. I've heard servers run from Bulgaria, Cyprus, Panama... so who knows? And it's quite possible that whatever the feds were able to seize were just running scripts pointing to remote servers. But this still may not bode well for customers, due to the risk of future arrest by US authorities.

[fuckfbi]

What are the chances of getting the amount back?
one of my friends 31BTC stuck in it..

he wasnt expected something like this to happen..

No chance if you ask anyone who isnt a victim

Slightly hope if you ask a victim.

So around 2% chance