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May 21, 2018, 01:53:17 PM
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I have no idea WHY ZEN is not on Binance exchange.  I sure wish it was.  That's where I do the majority of my trading.  That's where I prefer to do all my trading.  I believe Cryptopia Exchange is a better platform than Bittrex.  I at least like the way it looks better than Bittrex.  I haven't traded on Bittrex for a while because it was very buggy the last time I was there about 6 months ago.  I simply got tired of the bugs and stopped trading on Bittrex.  Maybe it's better now.  I have no idea.


Binance had Zencash as a 'Community coin of the month' option - twice - and it didn't get the votes needed from the community for the discounted listing. So it has had the opportunity to be listed, but for whatever reason, didn't pull enough votes from people like us.

It could still get listed through the regular channels, but obviously it would be more costly for zencash and might take longer.
This is true, and this is why community engagement is also very important. Support from community is crucial for success.

Unfortunatly as I have seen in the Crypto Community... They do nothing for Free Tongue
Reward each unique Voter with a Zen or Two and see Zen get Listed on Binance like in Yesterday Smiley
It sucks, but it is true.
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May 22, 2018, 03:36:31 AM
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Binance had Zencash as a 'Community coin of the month' option - twice - and it didn't get the votes needed from the community for the discounted listing. So it has had the opportunity to be listed, but for whatever reason, didn't pull enough votes from people like us.

It could still get listed through the regular channels, but obviously it would be more costly for zencash and might take longer.
This is true, and this is why community engagement is also very important. Support from community is crucial for success.

Unfortunatly as I have seen in the Crypto Community... They do nothing for Free Tongue
Reward each unique Voter with a Zen or Two and see Zen get Listed on Binance like in Yesterday Smiley
It sucks, but it is true.

I get where you're coming from, although buying votes with Zen would be very costly, and isn't really in the spirit of supporting a 'community coin'! Binance is essentially getting the listing fee of a 'popular' coin by going through this voting process. Every vote costs 0.1 BNB, which in USD is about $1.50. This is returned to Binance and adds an additional utility to BNB on top of the reduced exchange fees.

Really instead of coin developers paying for the listing fee, all the users who want the coin listed and are voting are paying the listing fee. Each of those 0.1 BNB adds up quickly!
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May 22, 2018, 03:47:03 AM
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Perfect plans for future changes in algorithm of ZenCash, MedaR.
The health status of ZenCash network (of course, it's the same situation for all altcoins) depends on ability to deal with or better to prevent replay attacks. Those sort of attacks might create serious damages to networks. And, ASICs are amongst the most dangerous threads in mining industry, because of its potential to build up dominant hashrates from massive mining farms.
Again, thanks for your plans to change Zencash's algorithm, MedaR.
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May 22, 2018, 07:19:25 AM
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency Innovations from Consensus 2018



https://www.nasdaq.com/article/blockchain-and-cryptocurrency-innovations-from-consensus-2018-cm965521

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May 22, 2018, 08:47:45 AM
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency Innovations from Consensus 2018

[img width=400]http://business.nasdaq.com/images/Rob%20Viglione%20ZenCash%20Consensus%202018_tcm5044-61843.jpg[/img

https://www.nasdaq.com/article/blockchain-and-cryptocurrency-innovations-from-consensus-2018-cm965521

Thanks for sharing, MedaR

Great interview!  I only wish the interview could have been longer.   Grin

I'm curious, is that you?


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May 22, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency Innovations from Consensus 2018

[img width=400]http://business.nasdaq.com/images/Rob%20Viglione%20ZenCash%20Consensus%202018_tcm5044-61843.jpg[/img

https://www.nasdaq.com/article/blockchain-and-cryptocurrency-innovations-from-consensus-2018-cm965521

Thanks for sharing, MedaR

Great interview!  I only wish the interview could have been longer.   Grin

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ROB VIGLIONE akka @finpunk -  Team Lead
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-viglione-2780634
https://zencash.com/team/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=957495



MedaR @MedaR Smiley, I am Grassroots Marketing Associate - Marketing division

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May 22, 2018, 09:02:24 AM
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ROB VIGLIONE akka @finpunk -  Team Lead
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-viglione-2780634
https://zencash.com/team/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=957495
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Thanks!

I'll check it out...

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May 22, 2018, 01:08:10 PM
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Simply wanted to share something with the community:


ASICs are still necessary because they lead to more advancement in stronger asic-resistant coin. The problem...[Below]

ASICs could work if there is more competition in the market and no monopoly of single company. Another problem is there retail availabilty and pre mining which could be solved if competition increases. Intel only bought good processors for cheap when AMD bought them in the market first. Competition solves many problem and it is necessary for healthy working of capitalism.


As I've mentioned in previous posts in other threads:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those [And other requirements I've mentioned], I would be FINE with them."  At this current time... It's a NO for me.  Those criteria are not currently met and may never be.  Time will tell.

Some see ASIC's as a necessary evil.  "Necessary," because of "so-called" security of the network.  "Evil," because of not meeting the requirements I have mentioned in several posts in other threads/forums.

This falls pretty much into the same category as FREEDOM.  In what way?  If one decides they will give up some freedom for the sake of some security, they deserve and will get NEITHER!!! - Similar to Benjamin Franklin's quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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May 22, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
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THE ETHOS SURROUNDING ZENCASH IS OF FREEDOM, DECENTRALIZATION, AND PRIVACY AS A HUMAN RIGHT.

Recent days have been tough for our GPU miners after Bitmain’s announcement of the release of Antminer Equihash ASIC miner.  Many are fearful that ASIC miners will take over the Equihash network, overpowering the GPU community and putting ZenCash at risk of becoming centralized under a big company like Bitmain. The ultimate risks are in a potential 51% attack and overpowering the Zen ecosystem with our future DAO voting system.

We value decentralization and our GPU miners who are an integral part of the community.  Changing algorithms is an extremely complex activity and we are not going to rush into a decision that may compromise the safety or integrity of the Zen network. It’s important that we take time to conduct research and evaluate options to properly formulate a plan.

We welcome discussion during this evaluation period. Join the discussion on ZenCashOfficial Github Issue 142:  ASIC Resistance thread.
Also, listen to both co-founders, Rob Viglione and Rolf Versluis, discuss the issue in the videos to the right ->:

https://blog.zencash.com/mining-decentralization/
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May 22, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
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Can anyone pls comment on official ZEN statement on ASICs and changing algo to ASICs resistant, but in a short quick way.
whats the TLDR version?

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Potential Equihash Algorithm Change Preparation

Modifying ZenCash to use Equihash-144-5 is doable, and the software development team has started identifying the specific work that would need to be done in order to create and test this change. It would be a Hard Fork change, and for optimal success of the Hard Fork, it would be best to implement such a proposed change as quickly as reasonably possible before too many ASIC miners take over the hashrate of ZenCash.

https://blog.zencash.com/zencash-statement-on-potential-equihash-algorithm-change/?utm_source=blog&utm_medium=social&utm_content=mining&utm_campaign=re+bitmain

This sounds like good news, keeping the mining among the people instead of giving it up to the industry.
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May 22, 2018, 06:55:38 PM
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Can anyone pls comment on official ZEN statement on ASICs and changing algo to ASICs resistant, but in a short quick way.
whats the TLDR version?

Thanks.
Potential Equihash Algorithm Change Preparation

Modifying ZenCash to use Equihash-144-5 is doable, and the software development team has started identifying the specific work that would need to be done in order to create and test this change. It would be a Hard Fork change, and for optimal success of the Hard Fork, it would be best to implement such a proposed change as quickly as reasonably possible before too many ASIC miners take over the hashrate of ZenCash.

https://blog.zencash.com/zencash-statement-on-potential-equihash-algorithm-change/?utm_source=blog&utm_medium=social&utm_content=mining&utm_campaign=re+bitmain

This sounds like good news, keeping the mining among the people instead of giving it up to the industry.

Yes indeed. To keep the hashrate spread out GPU is the way not ASIC. Never been a fan of ASIC to be honest and would have prefered bitcoin not having it as well. But that wont happen as ASIC have the hash and power there.
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May 22, 2018, 11:49:07 PM
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Unfortunatly as I have seen in the Crypto Community... They do nothing for Free Tongue
Reward each unique Voter with a Zen or Two and see Zen get Listed on Binance like in Yesterday Smiley
It sucks, but it is true.

The good thing is the community is happy to help, everyone can participate with the project

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May 23, 2018, 02:59:02 AM
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Why is Zen pumping ATM? 0.009 BTC on OKEX
Why is no-one talking about it?
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May 23, 2018, 03:02:07 AM
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ZenCash will become more decentralized mineable coin after the change of it's algorithm to fight against ASIC from Bitman producer.
In MedaR and ZenCash, I believe the project will find a complete solution to deal with the issue.
It's time to bring decentralization back to mining industry.
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May 23, 2018, 03:06:50 AM
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Why is Zen pumping ATM? 0.009 BTC on OKEX
Why is no-one talking about it?

Zencash listed on Binance probably helps: https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004160491

Hilarious that we were just talking about how Zencash could have another go as a community coin, and boom, just gets listed no fuss.

MedaR was probably laughing and enjoying the discussion about how the community can help get a Binance listing - it was already happening! Wink
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May 23, 2018, 03:16:34 AM
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Zencash listed on Binance probably helps: https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004160491

Hilarious that we were just talking about how Zencash could have another go as a community coin, and boom, just gets listed no fuss.

MedaR was probably laughing and enjoying the discussion about how the community can help get a Binance listing - it was already happening! Wink

Thanks. That explains it. The binance ZEN markets open in 2h 15m?
You can load wallets on binance as of 45 minutes ago.

So people buy ZEN, send to binance, set high sell orders? I might give it a try, hype and all that Wink
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Zencash listed on Binance probably helps: https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004160491

Hilarious that we were just talking about how Zencash could have another go as a community coin, and boom, just gets listed no fuss.

MedaR was probably laughing and enjoying the discussion about how the community can help get a Binance listing - it was already happening! Wink

Thanks. That explains it. The binance ZEN markets open in 2h 15m?
You can load wallets on binance as of 45 minutes ago.

So people buy ZEN, send to binance, set high sell orders? I might give it a try, hype and all that Wink

Yeah they aren't mucking around, it will be open for trading very soon! Probably a lot of people who are thinking the same thing - buy on one exchange and sell high on the always popular Binance.

I've mined a bit of ZEN so might sell some. These exchange listing 'pumps' don't usually last long from what I've seen. Maybe a couple days before they drop back down slightly. Also given the ZEN listing isn't attached to a random Binance trade volume competition, the pump might not go for all that long.
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Yeah they aren't mucking around, it will be open for trading very soon! Probably a lot of people who are thinking the same thing - buy on one exchange and sell high on the always popular Binance.

I've mined a bit of ZEN so might sell some. These exchange listing 'pumps' don't usually last long from what I've seen. Maybe a couple days before they drop back down slightly. Also given the ZEN listing isn't attached to a random Binance trade volume competition, the pump might not go for all that long.

We are basically at ATH in BTC. Strong urges to dump the lot!!!
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Binance Zencash listing postponed due to high congestion traffic.

https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004162291
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On 5:30 AM UTC, Binance announced that Zencash was listed on the exchange platform. It already open for trading for ZEN/BNB, ZEN/BTC, and ZEN/ETH. - This is a signal to strong growing up for ZEN? Voting now - https://yeenot.today/catalog/news/284
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