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June 05, 2018, 12:40:53 PM
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The higher hashrate the more secure,so we need the ascis which can provide higher hashrate,saying,more secure system as BITCOIN.
It is a hysterical disease for fearing advanced machine,are we the uncivilized man who use pen and paper to calculate HASH? Ridiculous.

what a silly and clueless comment.

Man who fears advanced technology is a silly socialist.
Doesn't bitcoin maintain network security with ASCIS miners?ASCIS is not demon, the silly socialist is.The silly socialist weakens everything.SAD。


Where do these cupcakes come from?



He is not a cupcake. Cupcakes are pleasant. He is a fruit fly. As intellectually insignificant as he is pesky and annoying.
The silly and stupid socialists attempt to evade 51%attack by centralization fork,it's completely shameless and stupid,According to their shameful coward and the fool's logic,BITCOIN should also be fork immediately to boycott ASCIS,right?ASCIS can provide cheap and powerful hashrate to protect ZEN from 51%attack,but the stupid and shameless socialists choose to solve problems by centralization FORK  rather than market and efficiency.Where there are socialists, there are morbid state.


Socialist again, sad little kid... The more you comment the dumber/clueless you look. I blame your parents (and Trump).
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June 05, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
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i didnt buy the z9 mini and having 2nd thoughts now cause i should have, and being anti asic before now im having 2nd thoughts also

Why bother coming here "shilling" for Bitmain?  You KNOW ZEN will fork and you're on here lobbying for Bitmain; NOT ASIC's.

WHY do you think all of us GPU miners and developers who are PRO GPU "chose" to create coins that were "supposedly" ASIC resistant?  It's because we KNOW how CENTRALIZED mining would be with ASIC's and BITMAIN dominating.  We know it full well.

Yes, most developers dropped the ball in regards to ensuring the network REMAINED ASIC RESISTANT.  It's a lesson learned and will "hopefully" not occur again.

What's done is done!  ZEN WILL FORK and there is NOTHING you can do or say to LOBBY to change the mind of the community.

Yes, there is an issue with a large portion of hash pointed at Suprnova Pool.  That's a whole other issue of centralization to deal with.  Yet, you actually want us to add ANOTHER centralization issue to the mix by TRUSTING ASIC manufacturers; namely BITMAIN.

NO THANKS!

lol and the nxt time bitmain cracks our new algo and they dont sell what do you think happens to us? and as i researched most of the pools bitmain owns arent really  all hash coming from bitmain and since when did bitmain attack any of the networks that they got asics on? just compute nxt time cos unless were gonna be changing algo every 3months a new asic will come for our new algo and we will be at a disadvantage imagine 80mhs coming from 8k units of bitmain from theyr own pool lets say they dont do a network attack but think of how much we have to pay for electricity and how much for them, 10k sols for 1080ti is 3k watts and thats just 300watts for the z9 mini and bitmain can just re tweak again

and you think a fork will stop bitmain from cracking it nxt time? and if that time they dont announce that they have a new zencash miner that can do 20k sols, you think 80mhs total network of zencash is what? lol you think im pro asic? lol i have 1080ti's mining zencash since last year, im just pointing out that forking now is temporary but it might change how bitmain or any other asic manufacturer thinks nxt time, like i said if they didnt announce they got an asic for equihash is there any way for you to know that there is an asic already? well of course we wouldnt know but they could easily have mined in silence, and nxt time they crack our new algo they will stay quiet and when that time comes it wont be a z9 mini, remember there is a mini on that miner so means they have smething bigger and they want us to change algo so they can crack the new one and use that bigger miner there, 80mhs total net hash of zen right now, bitmain only needs 8000units of z9 mini to control the network and ots only worth 16m for them remember they made 4b usd last year thats like loose change and they dont need to sell any to the public

remember also that zencash total net hash is almost same as what nicehash sells on equihash and can be more so what can stop 1 guy from doing a network attack as it is even with gpu only were are still screwed

and what would stop a guy or froup from privately dealing with bitmain after we fork and ask bitmain to develop a new asic but they agree not to sell it publicly and that guy or group makes a 20m usd deal.  they only need to tweak the z9 mini and a new miner is out again. my concern here is if they didnt sell it publicly would we know that there is an asic already? ask that to yourself in the future after we fork cos what seemed to be asic resistant is already not asic resistant they cracked everything from ethash to cryptonight to equihash

and if bitmain has miners were in no better situation on gpu because its also monopolized by nvidia and amd, while there are shortage of supplu how come you see other people selling at an insane price and have stock, for me if bitmain will agree to always do a max 1 unit per buyer this might actually be better than gpu mining


This statement alone PROVES the community would be at the mercy of ONE CENTRALIZED MANUFACTURER to "TRUST" they would do what you suggest AND ALSO APPLY THAT RULE TO THEMSELVES.

DON'T BE NAIVE.

Take your BITMAIN SHILLING elsewhere.

This community will NOT stand for it.
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June 05, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
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its you who is naive, tell me and everybody here that if bitmain didnt announce an equihash miner would we be changing algo?

 as of this writing nicehash has 58mhs available and zencash hash 48mhs, is bitmain to be blamed for this? i think not, just so you know i was pro gpu mining like i told you i was mining btcz and zencash last year add hush zclassic while it was 1usd only and even snowgem i started mining zencash at 3usd my view only changed recently because of the network attack done on btg and verge and i asked myself why btc ltc and dash all have asics isnt being attacked lol as of writing we are already vulnerable to that 51% attack because nicehash has more hash than our network, so why dont you tell the nicehash boys selling theyr hash there that they are worse than bitmain because for the past 2 weeks i have been looking at asics bitmain actually did btc ltc dash a favor by making the network less prone to 51% attack yet i have looked at bitmain as the devil until now looking at zencash that we are also vulnerable to the same attack that btg got and bitmain has nothing to do with it because those hash from nicehash arent asics and yet they have more hash then the total network hash of zencash

and why are we at the mercy of 1 centralized manufacturer there are others, didnt gmo produce the first 7nm btc miner, how about halong miner theyr starting at btc but they will eventually go to other algo, but even with gpu arent we also at the mercy of nvidia and amd, like what i posted until now i have not yet seen any retailer here with a vega56 or 64 but last year there are people who was able to buy 500pcs or more, how is that any better, well at least when bitmain announced the z9 mini it was just 1 unit per customer, and i still dont have any vega56/64, i only have 1080ti, like i said i should have bought the z9 mini but i didnt and theyr out of stock already lol is it that they sold only a few of them of is it that many people who bought it
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June 05, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
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asics are not to be blamed for the network attacks, because the attacker is getting those hash from nicehash and we all know bitmain doesnt sell hash to nicehash that amount of hash has been there on nicehash for a long time, i have yet to see anyone speak against nicehash cause were all pointing to asics but in reality why are the main coins with asic not being attacked, and next thing is we all know that the attacker only rents his hash

i just posted all of this today because zencash just had a 51% attack and the attacker aint done yet, just keep an eye on whattomine on how much hash nicehash has to sell for equihash and it always has more than our total network hash, been looking at it since yesterday and a guy here even posted that its because of asics that this attack happened, lol the amount of gpu on nicehash and there are no asics there, actually bitmain might have done us a favor by mining zcash, probably they have asics on zcash because 3weeks ago that total hash of zcash was just 400 or lower and spiked to 600mhs the other day, probably already testing the asics before they ship it out, but still zencash is in alot of trouble and zcash is actually safer and ironically we have to thank bitmain for that, its because of nicehash(actually the sellers, because if no one is selling hash there we wont have attacks, this goes to other hash sellers also not just nicehash, and dont point your fingers to asics cos there are no asics on nicehash at the moment

in actual we might need those asics now to increase zencash network so we dont get another attack but of course thats not happening especially right now since those asics are gonna be shipped july i think, that gives the attacker 1 more month to exploit nicehash to attack zencash wtf
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June 05, 2018, 02:10:42 PM
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Socialist again, sad little kid... The more you comment the dumber/clueless you look. I blame your parents (and Trump).

All you're doing is name calling and shilling for a BITMAIN.  BItmain acts like a communist/socialist dictator over the crypto community.

Your name calling gets you nowhere.  Especially, since you're basically advocating we "trust" BITMAIN to have honorable intentions for the community instead of selfish intensions for themselves.  Which describes what I intend to convey in my previous statement about them acting like a communist/socialist dictator who seeks to deceive those who support them; only to end up showing their true intensions to take advantage of those fooled by their illusion.  They have done this over and over again with other coins they secretly/privately mined.  They do not offer their ASIC for sale until they see it's no longer as profitable to mine with it anymore for themselves -OR- they get wind of a potential fork on the horizon.  

In fact, they took advantage of those with the D3 and X3.  I'm sure the same thing will occur once again with Z9 and Z9 mini.  Meaning, they do not give those who purchased a batch to be shipped at a later date an opportunity for refund before it's shipped.  Especially, when those who purchased it see their investment is on the verge of getting bricked.  BITMAIN, says, "Sorry, but not sorry.  You simply lose."  Not good for business.  

BITMAIN, does not give a damn about "community."  They only care to gratify themselves at the expense of community.

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and you can help stop the 51% attacks were getting now on zencash?

a nwe btc miner 24ths at 2k usd will be for sale tomorow and its not from bitmain im gonna be trying my first asic and you can stick with gpu but im diversifyng and still doesnt change the fact if we change algo those hash from nicehash will still be chasing us and making us vulnerable to network attacks

equihash wouldnt be changing algo if they didnt announce they have a miner for equihash so why did they sell z9 mini if they could have just mined the crap out of zcash and zencash, well at least we know they dont do network attacks, but if they didnt announce the z9 mini were all still mining equihash with 1080ti that uses 3k watts for 10k sols while they will be happy with 300watts and 10k sols so how are they not profitable with z9 mini that they had to sell to us, 1080ti are still a little profitable and if they secretly mine z9 mini on equihash we wont be having this discussion and theyr making shit ton more than us means they actually didnt have to sell the z9 mini if your assumption that they sell miners when its not profitable for them anymore

and no im not telling you to trust bitmain, i simply posted today because ZENCASH WAS 51% ATTACKED A FEW HOURS AGO and it came from rented hash and not from asics which made me think that asics or bitmain isnt the issue with decentralization which in the first thing was the only issue why we dont want asics, but even without asics we have a bigger problem, so if you were to choose, would you choose bitmain asics and pools mining zencash or would you rather let someone rent hash and do 51% attacks and mine every block while we all get zero, choose which devil you can live with

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June 05, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
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and you can help stop the 51% attacks were getting now on zencash?

The Developers can.  How?  By what's called a "fork."   Grin

I assure you; it was not GPU's that performed a 51% attack.  It was ASIC's and more than likely owned by BITMAIN.

Now we have BITMAIN proxies [Like yourself] trolling social media to spread propaganda and do damage control.  BITMAIN's selfish antics are being revealed to the entire community with every selfish act.

If you wish to say, they will simply invest in more R&D for another ASIC, that's fine and dandy.  However, any attempts to do so for private/secret mining in the future will be futile.  The community will be more diligent to monitor the network hash rate in correlation with speculative price to discourage vain attempts to gratify self at the expense of community again.

If ZEN and others adopt and/or create POW algorithms that render ASIC's and FPGA's on an even keel with GPU's similar to PROG Proof of Work, this would put an end to vain attempts by BITMAIN and others to gratify themselves at the expense of community.

BITMAIN has lost their edge in SHA-256 and are simply looking for another algorithm to regain that edge.

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June 05, 2018, 02:27:03 PM
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lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

lol you thnk gpu didnt do the attack on zencash? its already a fact that the attacker rented his hash and you think there are asics now on nicehash thats selling equihash? lol you must be dreaming man
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June 05, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
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lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Bitmain Shill."  Remember?   Grin

I've already mentioned in posts past my opinion of the 51% attack.

Does this ring a bell:

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

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June 05, 2018, 02:30:05 PM
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Pre-sale soft launch on 5 June https://order.xeeda.io/ and excited to provide the ZenCash community a special launch price of $99 USD.





Webpage shows $119 how can we get for $99?

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June 05, 2018, 02:32:48 PM
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lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Shill."  Remember?   Grin

and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?
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and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?

Notice, you said, "WHICH DEVIL..."  Let's deal with one devil at a time how about it?  The worst devil at the moment is BITMAIN (ASIC'S).  PERIOD...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

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June 05, 2018, 02:35:52 PM
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lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Bitmain Shill."  Remember?   Grin

I've already mentioned in posts past my opinion of the 51% attack.

Does this ring a bell:

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash
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June 05, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
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like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash

It's obvious you don't give a &#%@.  You're too busy shilling for Bitmain.  Remember, one devil at a time...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

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June 05, 2018, 02:39:10 PM
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and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?

Notice, you said, "WHICH DEVIL..."  Let's deal with one devil at a time how about it?  The worst devil at the moment is BITMAIN (ASIC'S).  PERIOD...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

so your completely fine with zencash being 51% attacked cuase you just did say bitmain is the worst devil compared to the network attacks were getting?? wow dude your gpu aint gonna be mining any coin if the attacker keeps attacking so lets fork away from asics and let 51% attacks happen, are youaware of of what 51% attack is? and lol you say im a new account how about looking when i registered cause ive been here since last year
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June 05, 2018, 02:40:21 PM
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so your completely fine with zencash being 51% attacked cuase you just did say bitmain is the worst devil compared to the network attacks were getting?? wow dude your gpu aint gonna be mining any coin if the attacker keeps attacking so lets fork away from asics and let 51% attacks happen, are youaware of of what 51% attack is? and lol you say im a new account how about looking when i registered cause ive been here since last year

So, you can continue to ignore BITMAIN has "motive" for that 51% attack?  Much more so than a pool.

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June 05, 2018, 02:41:44 PM
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like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash

It's obvious you don't give a &#%@.  You're too busy shilling for Bitmain.  Remember, one devil at a time...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.


nope we have 2 devils right now and its here and is a fact, so the question is who do you deal with first bitmain or the network attacks but you already answered that bitmain is the worst devil right so ya i get it and everyone here gets it that your fine with the network attacks, LOL
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June 05, 2018, 02:42:10 PM
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nope we have 2 devils right now and its here and is a fact, so the question is who do you deal with first bitmain or the network attacks but you already answered that bitmain is the worst devil right so ya i get it and everyone here gets it that your fine with the network attacks, LOL


You can continue to ignore BITMAIN has "motive" for that 51% attack?  Much more so than a pool.

You continue to ignore it was not the pool who attacked but it was the pool who reported to Rob a potential attack was underway.  Rob then advised the pools to raise confirmations.

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June 05, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
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MedaR,

Not sure if you are self moderating...

Feel free to delete these posts of mine and this other guys posts who is trolling; saying the same thing over and over again with no "support" for what he's saying.

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June 05, 2018, 02:48:22 PM
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lol i did my reaearch bitmain mines the main coin only and they dont sell hash to nicehash, so who rented the hash from nicehash? those attacks on verge and btg came also i dont know if bitmain has asics for lyra but i think they dont have, you really think bitmain rented hash on nicehash to do attacks while they can just do it with theyr own miners, if bitmain didnt announce that they have an equihash miner already they could have done the attacks and not rent hash, i already did the computation 8k units of z9 mini is 80mhs and is only 16m srp if bitmain didnt sell those they just write off 16m usd on theyr books and they could have just religously done the network attacks if they were the ones doing it, have you gotten your facts already that the attacker used rented hash to attack the network?

probably lets talk tomorow or ill wait for the nxt attack then we can talk and see which devil your better with because you cant run away from the attacker or that asics are coming whether we fork or not, you even said that they were mining with z9 for a long time already, so we change algo they crakc it again but theyr gonna be smarter and not sell those asics to public and when that happens can you guess that there are asics on our new algo?
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