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[Stunna]

None of the PD staff is available here. So it is completely moved over to that forum now ?
this could be locked in that case .

I'll be available on both.

[redferrari]

support only took 6 hours to reply this time. very nice

[MICRO]

support only took 6 hours to reply this time. very nice

Finally a positive word from Dank .

You submitted ticket during off hours otherwise it would been even faster.

Average first response time for last 30 days is now 2.8 hours.
Faster than 89% of the companies using Zendesk.
Industry average is 18.7 hours.

Pretty cool stats:
 

[Stunna]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

[zzaza]

support only took 6 hours to reply this time. very nice

Finally a positive word from Dank .

You submitted ticket during off hours otherwise it would been even faster.

Average first response time for last 30 days is now 2.8 hours.
Faster than 89% of the companies using Zendesk.
Industry average is 18.7 hours.

Pretty cool stats:
 

That looks really great MICRO! Congrats, and keep doing the good work

[bsdunx]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

[nicklovesBTC]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

I'm 99.9% sure this was not done to screw with your 9900x bets. This is done for security purposes I promise you

[bsdunx]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

I'm 99.9% sure this was not done to screw with your 9900x bets. This is done for security purposes I promise you

It does not change the fact that the outcome of my game has been altered and that I will not be compensated for the alteration. Unless they specifically doctor my new seed such that my rolls from win are equal to the current rolls from win, this is decidedly unfair. I most certainly have not even started doing the run if I had any indication this would happen.

[Stunna]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

I'm 99.9% sure this was not done to screw with your 9900x bets. This is done for security purposes I promise you

It does not change the fact that the outcome of my game has been altered and that I will not be compensated for the alteration. Unless they specifically doctor my new seed such that my rolls from win are equal to the current rolls from win, this is decidedly unfair. I most certainly have not even started doing the run if I had any indication this would happen.

So we're clear, we've done this a few times in the past and when it occurs a modal will appear that will ask you to set a brand new client seed. The odds of the game are not changing. This will be done either tonight or tomorrow.

[bsdunx]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

I'm 99.9% sure this was not done to screw with your 9900x bets. This is done for security purposes I promise you

It does not change the fact that the outcome of my game has been altered and that I will not be compensated for the alteration. Unless they specifically doctor my new seed such that my rolls from win are equal to the current rolls from win, this is decidedly unfair. I most certainly have not even started doing the run if I had any indication this would happen.

So we're clear, we've done this a few times in the past and when it occurs a modal will appear that will ask you to set a brand new client seed. The odds of the game are not changing. This will be done either tonight or tomorrow.

The outcome of my game is changed, that fact cannot be denied. I do not disagree that the odds remain the same. I am totally with you there and this could indeed be a blessing in disguise considering the extent of the variance I am currently dealing with. When the seed does get changed and I run verification and notice that my target was 10 rolls away or something, there is no denying that it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm by no means trying to imply that this is being done for nefarious reasons or anything like that. I hope you can understand the feelings of me and others on this subject who undertake high-payout runs slowly over time.

[Azaan]

support only took 6 hours to reply this time. very nice

Finally a positive word from Dank .

You submitted ticket during off hours otherwise it would been even faster.

Average first response time for last 30 days is now 2.8 hours.
Faster than 89% of the companies using Zendesk.
Industry average is 18.7 hours.

Pretty cool stats:
 https://i.imgur.com/ixDB2r5.jpg

GOOD WORK BRO!!!!

[DiamondCardz]

The outcome of my game is changed, that fact cannot be denied.

True.

I do not disagree that the odds remain the same. I am totally with you there and this could indeed be a blessing in disguise considering the extent of the variance I am currently dealing with. When the seed does get changed and I run verification and notice that my target was 10 rolls away or something, there is no denying that it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm by no means trying to imply that this is being done for nefarious reasons or anything like that. I hope you can understand the feelings of me and others on this subject who undertake high-payout runs slowly over time.

Your odds are statistically the exact same, like you said, and your chance of getting a winning roll is the exact same with the different seeds whether or not the outcome is actually going to be different. That's like gambling at another dice site and then being pissed off at that dice site because you didn't gamble on PrimeDice.

[hui]

The outcome of my game is changed, that fact cannot be denied.

True.

I do not disagree that the odds remain the same. I am totally with you there and this could indeed be a blessing in disguise considering the extent of the variance I am currently dealing with. When the seed does get changed and I run verification and notice that my target was 10 rolls away or something, there is no denying that it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm by no means trying to imply that this is being done for nefarious reasons or anything like that. I hope you can understand the feelings of me and others on this subject who undertake high-payout runs slowly over time.

Your odds are statistically the exact same, like you said, and your chance of getting a winning roll is the exact same with the different seeds whether or not the outcome is actually going to be different. That's like gambling at another dice site and then being pissed off at that dice site because you didn't gamble on PrimeDice.

True about the odds being the same, but its not the same as if the player chooses to play somewhere else. If YOU choose to play somewhere else its your choice, if pd chooses to change seeds it is not.

There is a somewhat esoteric scenario where the casino could use seed changes to maximise profits. Imagine there would be only one high stakes gambler, that does say 100 rolls on 9900x at 0.00202020 (max bet) a day and would hit it after 2 rolls on the next day. Since the casino can predict the behaviour of the gambler and knows the unhashed seed and so knows that it will hit soon they could change the seeds just in time. They wouldnt know if it hits after a few rolls on the new seed (since client seed can be changed by the user) but its would be a  good gamble on behalf of the casino.

I am far from saying something like this is happening, pd has way too many players and those have usually a rather unpredictable behaviour, but since the outcome of a series of rolls is changed due to actions of the casino one could very well argue that this is a little counterproductive on claiming its provably fairness.

Again, I think nobody believes pd does the seed change for reasons like stated above, but its a hypothetical scenario which would likely work on smaller sites with predictable high stakes gamblers.

[DiamondCardz]

True about the odds being the same, but its not the same as if the player chooses to play somewhere else. If YOU choose to play somewhere else its your choice, if pd chooses to change seeds it is not.

There is a somewhat esoteric scenario where the casino could use seed changes to maximise profits. Imagine there would be only one high stakes gambler, that does say 100 rolls on 9900x at 0.00202020 (max bet) a day and would hit it after 2 rolls on the next day. Since the casino can predict the behaviour of the gambler and knows the unhashed seed and so knows that it will hit soon they could change the seeds just in time. They wouldnt know if it hits after a few rolls on the new seed (since client seed can be changed by the user) but its would be a  good gamble on behalf of the casino.

I am far from saying something like this is happening, pd has way too many players and those have usually a rather unpredictable behaviour, but since the outcome of a series of rolls is changed due to actions of the casino one could very well argue that this is a little counterproductive on claiming its provably fairness.

Again, I think nobody believes pd does the seed change for reasons like stated above, but its a hypothetical scenario which would likely work on smaller sites with predictable high stakes gamblers.

Yes, it wasn't the best example, but the only difference here is that it's essentially forced. If the other casino has the same house edge as PD it would essentially just be a difference in seed as well.

That situation is only viable when the casino has an invalid implementation of provably fair verification, though. It's happened before but I don't think a casino like PrimeDice is going to do it, perhaps smaller casinos might. I know you obviously aren't accusing PD of this, but getting mad about a forced client seed change is equivalent to those people who believe PD is rigged no matter what despite its size

[MICRO]

The outcome of my game is changed, that fact cannot be denied.

True.

I do not disagree that the odds remain the same. I am totally with you there and this could indeed be a blessing in disguise considering the extent of the variance I am currently dealing with. When the seed does get changed and I run verification and notice that my target was 10 rolls away or something, there is no denying that it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm by no means trying to imply that this is being done for nefarious reasons or anything like that. I hope you can understand the feelings of me and others on this subject who undertake high-payout runs slowly over time.

Your odds are statistically the exact same, like you said, and your chance of getting a winning roll is the exact same with the different seeds whether or not the outcome is actually going to be different. That's like gambling at another dice site and then being pissed off at that dice site because you didn't gamble on PrimeDice.

True about the odds being the same, but its not the same as if the player chooses to play somewhere else. If YOU choose to play somewhere else its your choice, if pd chooses to change seeds it is not.

There is a somewhat esoteric scenario where the casino could use seed changes to maximise profits. Imagine there would be only one high stakes gambler, that does say 100 rolls on 9900x at 0.00202020 (max bet) a day and would hit it after 2 rolls on the next day. Since the casino can predict the behaviour of the gambler and knows the unhashed seed and so knows that it will hit soon they could change the seeds just in time. They wouldnt know if it hits after a few rolls on the new seed (since client seed can be changed by the user) but its would be a  good gamble on behalf of the casino.

I am far from saying something like this is happening, pd has way too many players and those have usually a rather unpredictable behaviour, but since the outcome of a series of rolls is changed due to actions of the casino one could very well argue that this is a little counterproductive on claiming its provably fairness.

Again, I think nobody believes pd does the seed change for reasons like stated above, but its a hypothetical scenario which would likely work on smaller sites with predictable high stakes gamblers.

If that would be the case he sure has a very long time to chase that WIN. Because PD always announces seed change in advance.

Also he can decide not to play anymore once seed changes.

I think this seed change is mostly because Torba will no longer work on Primedice so as a precaution they want to change seeds.

But also because they will be changing up some servers to permanently fix chat lag issue. 

[singpays]

support only took 6 hours to reply this time. very nice

Finally a positive word from Dank .

You submitted ticket during off hours otherwise it would been even faster.

Average first response time for last 30 days is now 2.8 hours.
Faster than 89% of the companies using Zendesk.
Industry average is 18.7 hours.

Pretty cool stats:
 

Dank sound like MICRO. MICRO sound like Dank .Because gay love ♥_♥

[Stunna]

A friendly reminder to all users not to trust anyone in the chat and be wary of all bets you make - Double check & verify all actions made on Primedice. We are not responsible for user errors or mistakes.

[Stunna]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

This will happen within the next 6-7 hours.

Thanks

[Stunna]

Seeds have been changed. Let me know if you have any questions regarding this

[hopenotlate]

We'll be doing a routine seed change soon for security reasons. Next time you place a bet you may be asked to set a new client seed.

So I take it having the outcome of my long running 9900x altered is something I'm just supposed to take with a smile?

I'm 99.9% sure this was not done to screw with your 9900x bets. This is done for security purposes I promise you

It does not change the fact that the outcome of my game has been altered and that I will not be compensated for the alteration. Unless they specifically doctor my new seed such that my rolls from win are equal to the current rolls from win, this is decidedly unfair. I most certainly have not even started doing the run if I had any indication this would happen.

So we're clear, we've done this a few times in the past and when it occurs a modal will appear that will ask you to set a brand new client seed. The odds of the game are not changing. This will be done either tonight or tomorrow.

The outcome of my game is changed, that fact cannot be denied. I do not disagree that the odds remain the same. I am totally with you there and this could indeed be a blessing in disguise considering the extent of the variance I am currently dealing with. When the seed does get changed and I run verification and notice that my target was 10 rolls away or something, there is no denying that it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm by no means trying to imply that this is being done for nefarious reasons or anything like that. I hope you can understand the feelings of me and others on this subject who undertake high-payout runs slowly over time.

For what I know every bet is theoretically indipendent from the other so if I'm betting at 1% chance, and already lost my previous 99 bets, it doesn't mean I'm going to win the 100th bet and neither the next 10 or 20 and so on.
On the other and I could start betting at 1% and hit 3 times in the first 10 bets.

I know also about normal (gaussian) distribution of random variables but I guess it's still valid even with a seed change.

But maybe I'm missing something and will be happy to hear more about it.