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[alabamafan1]

Not terribly imaginative, but each level could reduce house edge by .01% nominally. -Or .005%.

House edge can be only reduced individually through "rake back" . So u get that % of wagered back to ur account. Not a bad idea but it would  some coding.

Couldn't a user's level changing just trigger a check to re-calculate which number the user needs to roll under or over? Idunno how the formula looks now, but I'd guess you'd just want the server to add to the house edge multiplier variable (.99 if user wins on rolling under) .0001*UserLevel. -So if the player's level 8, say, the server'd calculate house edge for the user as .99+(.0001*8 ), where house edge is then .92% and the user needs to roll under 49.54 instead of 49.5 (if level 0) to win.

this is where i am stumped...how are these pseudo-random games effectively calibrated? tia! :\

It's just a random roll with one numerical outcome. It'd just be modifying which final numbers are considered a win or loss by the server. It'd be trickier to implement this on an impure casino with hundreds of rigged non-numerical outcomes. -Like you know how you frequently might get two 7's and then an off-center 7 on a slot machine? You weren't actually close to winning the jackpot, but it's rigged to look that way and's multitudes more likely to have two 7's and an off-center 7 than three centered 7s even though it should only be, at most, 2x more likely.

Kluge I do really wonder who you are in real life, you always sound very intelligent. A finance broker? A millionaire? A bitcoin millionaire? A guy with a PhD in economics? A guy who owns his own big business? A big CEO or international manager? I don't know. Maybe youre just an average joe type guy but I doubt it.

Also Kluge, don't feed the troll. He's just a really annoying (and good at it too) troll.

[BBmmBB]

Not terribly imaginative, but each level could reduce house edge by .01% nominally. -Or .005%.

House edge can be only reduced individually through "rake back" . So u get that % of wagered back to ur account. Not a bad idea but it would  some coding.

Couldn't a user's level changing just trigger a check to re-calculate which number the user needs to roll under or over? Idunno how the formula looks now, but I'd guess you'd just want the server to add to the house edge multiplier variable (.99 if user wins on rolling under) .0001*UserLevel. -So if the player's level 8, say, the server'd calculate house edge for the user as .99+(.0001*8 ), where house edge is then .92% and the user needs to roll under 49.54 instead of 49.5 (if level 0) to win.

this is where i am stumped...how are these pseudo-random games effectively calibrated? tia! :\

It's just a random roll with one numerical outcome. It'd just be modifying which final numbers are considered a win or loss by the server. It'd be trickier to implement this on an impure casino with hundreds of rigged non-numerical outcomes. -Like you know how you frequently might get two 7's and then an off-center 7 on a slot machine? You weren't actually close to winning the jackpot, but it's rigged to look that way and's multitudes more likely to have two 7's and an off-center 7 than three centered 7s even though it should only be, at most, 2x more likely.

the way i understand it in a Nevada slot machine by law the result is generated purely on timing of when the button is pushed whereas PD relies on a combination of generated hashes...major fundamental difference and is exploitable imo! :\

[Kluge]

Not terribly imaginative, but each level could reduce house edge by .01% nominally. -Or .005%.

House edge can be only reduced individually through "rake back" . So u get that % of wagered back to ur account. Not a bad idea but it would  some coding.

Couldn't a user's level changing just trigger a check to re-calculate which number the user needs to roll under or over? Idunno how the formula looks now, but I'd guess you'd just want the server to add to the house edge multiplier variable (.99 if user wins on rolling under) .0001*UserLevel. -So if the player's level 8, say, the server'd calculate house edge for the user as .99+(.0001*8 ), where house edge is then .92% and the user needs to roll under 49.54 instead of 49.5 (if level 0) to win.

this is where i am stumped...how are these pseudo-random games effectively calibrated? tia! :\

It's just a random roll with one numerical outcome. It'd just be modifying which final numbers are considered a win or loss by the server. It'd be trickier to implement this on an impure casino with hundreds of rigged non-numerical outcomes. -Like you know how you frequently might get two 7's and then an off-center 7 on a slot machine? You weren't actually close to winning the jackpot, but it's rigged to look that way and's multitudes more likely to have two 7's and an off-center 7 than three centered 7s even though it should only be, at most, 2x more likely.

the way i understand it in a Nevada slot machine by law the result is generated purely on timing of when the button is pushed whereas PD relies on a combination of generated hashes...major fundamental difference and is exploitable imo! :\

Aww, gee, I'd die in a B&M casino. I've never heard of one that sounds better than going to a Chuck E. Cheese with alcohol (though Chuck E. Cheese would be dramatically more tolerable if they served the parents alcohol...). I doubt our beloved impure BTC-taking casinos follow any NV standards, though.

[Kluge]

Kluge I do really wonder who you are in real life, you always sound very intelligent. A finance broker? A millionaire? A bitcoin millionaire? A guy with a PhD in economics? A guy who owns his own big business? A big CEO or international manager? I don't know. Maybe youre just an average joe type guy but I doubt it.

I'm an unemployable, near-penniless high school graduate with a work history of failed startups and contract work for NFPs. Seriously, I can't even get a job as a cashier at Dollar General, so all you get from me is that "minimum wage snark" but without even the minimum wage job.

[BBmmBB]

Not terribly imaginative, but each level could reduce house edge by .01% nominally. -Or .005%.

House edge can be only reduced individually through "rake back" . So u get that % of wagered back to ur account. Not a bad idea but it would  some coding.

Couldn't a user's level changing just trigger a check to re-calculate which number the user needs to roll under or over? Idunno how the formula looks now, but I'd guess you'd just want the server to add to the house edge multiplier variable (.99 if user wins on rolling under) .0001*UserLevel. -So if the player's level 8, say, the server'd calculate house edge for the user as .99+(.0001*8 ), where house edge is then .92% and the user needs to roll under 49.54 instead of 49.5 (if level 0) to win.

this is where i am stumped...how are these pseudo-random games effectively calibrated? tia! :\

It's just a random roll with one numerical outcome. It'd just be modifying which final numbers are considered a win or loss by the server. It'd be trickier to implement this on an impure casino with hundreds of rigged non-numerical outcomes. -Like you know how you frequently might get two 7's and then an off-center 7 on a slot machine? You weren't actually close to winning the jackpot, but it's rigged to look that way and's multitudes more likely to have two 7's and an off-center 7 than three centered 7s even though it should only be, at most, 2x more likely.

the way i understand it in a Nevada slot machine by law the result is generated purely on timing of when the button is pushed whereas PD relies on a combination of generated hashes...major fundamental difference and is exploitable imo! :\

Aww, gee, I'd die in a B&M casino. I've never heard of one that sounds better than going to a Chuck E. Cheese with alcohol (though Chuck E. Cheese would be dramatically more tolerable if they served the parents alcohol...). I doubt our beloved impure BTC-taking casinos follow any NV standards, though.

I'm not implying the casinos actually follow the laws to the t ...just the idea of fairness based on timing vs. some elaborate scheme of combining hashes that can be manipulated to suit the houses needs! :\

[MICRO]

Kluge I do really wonder who you are in real life, you always sound very intelligent. A finance broker? A millionaire? A bitcoin millionaire? A guy with a PhD in economics? A guy who owns his own big business? A big CEO or international manager? I don't know. Maybe youre just an average joe type guy but I doubt it.

I'm an unemployable, near-penniless high school graduate with a work history of failed startups and contract work for NFPs. Seriously, I can't even get a job as a cashier at Dollar General, so all you get from me is that "minimum wage snark" but without even the minimum wage job.

U also donated minimum 50btc to this forum at some point in ur life. And u don't remember that?

it was probably the time when btc was practically worthless .

[alabamafan1]

Kluge I do really wonder who you are in real life, you always sound very intelligent. A finance broker? A millionaire? A bitcoin millionaire? A guy with a PhD in economics? A guy who owns his own big business? A big CEO or international manager? I don't know. Maybe youre just an average joe type guy but I doubt it.

I'm an unemployable, near-penniless high school graduate with a work history of failed startups and contract work for NFPs. Seriously, I can't even get a job as a cashier at Dollar General, so all you get from me is that "minimum wage snark" but without even the minimum wage job.

U also donated minimum 50btc to this forum at some point in ur life. And u don't remember that?

it was probably the time when btc was practically worthless .

He donated 10-49 BTC actually Micro. If he donated 50 or more he would have the VIP status instead of Donator.

[MICRO]

Kluge I do really wonder who you are in real life, you always sound very intelligent. A finance broker? A millionaire? A bitcoin millionaire? A guy with a PhD in economics? A guy who owns his own big business? A big CEO or international manager? I don't know. Maybe youre just an average joe type guy but I doubt it.

I'm an unemployable, near-penniless high school graduate with a work history of failed startups and contract work for NFPs. Seriously, I can't even get a job as a cashier at Dollar General, so all you get from me is that "minimum wage snark" but without even the minimum wage job.

U also donated minimum 50btc to this forum at some point in ur life. And u don't remember that?

it was probably the time when btc was practically worthless .

He donated 10-49 BTC actually Micro. If he donated 50 or more he would have the VIP status instead of Donator.

Oh yes , my bad , it was long time since i read that post on ranks. .

[12rFkAtG1myp]

I think the faucet is a good way to "test" the site before depositing, i used it to make sure the site was legit - there are alot of spammy looking sites out there

[tozak]

Yeah I vote to keep faucet, it's a good idea and makes use of the whole leveling up idea

Also think those that regularly use the faucet are also more likely to deposit and refer high rollers down the track

I would rather see ad-space sold in the faucet area than see it go all together, and/or even slow down the leveling up to make it harder to get to larger faucet claims

[--Encrypted--]

I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.

What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?

Thanks

I think this is bad idea. why? because some people like me needs faucet to keep us hooked to the site after we're busted.
people don't have unlimited money to bet, you know. once they bust they'll have to wait for their paycheck or whatever before they have the money to gamble again. and they might search for and find a better way to increase their btc while they're waiting for that.

so yeah, I think removing the faucet would be a bad idea.

sorry if my English have some flaws

[Anony]

I started with faucet to get a feel of the game. I was new to dicing until I came to play at primedice so the faucet is how I learned to play. I went from freeloading the faucet to wagering 550+ BTC.

I am a regular on Primedice and deposit a few times per week, but in between those deposit I depend on the faucet to have fun. What will we do while waiting for a deposit that can take more than an hour?

Faucet, leveling up, and tips is what keeps me coming back to this site. Everything factors into the user experience and these things is what keeps people hook on your site.

If another dice site copys you and open up a faucet, they will take away 70-80% of your regular customers.

Stunna, if you value the user experience and the "fun" factor to the game, please leave faucet as is.

I agree with this, removing it completely is honestly a bad move. I understand you are dumping a decent amount of money on faucet every week, but there HAS to be a way to control the farmers. And not just the regular members who use it for fun everyday, let them use it as they please, give it they are not breaking rules. At the very least make it that newer users can only claim once or twice a day.

[Some1else0]

Honestly, removing the faucet is a terrible idea. It's how I got into gambling and using PrimeDice. I've lost a fair bit (.5 or so) BTC in it, but it was fun .

Removing the faucet would cause a lot of users to move and put their coins into another gambling website that does offer a faucet, and they'll eventually gamble their BTC there.

Since you say that support is the issue, why not have a separate team of volunteer community members to answer these tickets? You could create a "Category" section for support requests or have them email faucet@primedice.com instead of support@primedice.com.

Or, make it so that you can only use the faucet once per x amount of time, or make it so you can use the faucet say, 10 or 20 times, and then you'd have to deposit .001 BTC or something to continue using it.

Rather than remove the faucet, explore alternative solutions. It'll be good for us all .

[danksheeet]

why not just lower back to 100 sat reg and 1000 whitelist. that seemed to work during the pd2 days

That wasn't rly fair deal. Coz we (mods) get to chose who gets on that list. Its not fair , it can be subjective ...

it can be but it worked fine for all pd2 it seems

[HiGHiMROB]

Honestly, removing the faucet is a terrible idea. It's how I got into gambling and using PrimeDice. I've lost a fair bit (.5 or so) BTC in it, but it was fun .

Removing the faucet would cause a lot of users to move and put their coins into another gambling website that does offer a faucet, and they'll eventually gamble their BTC there.

Since you say that support is the issue, why not have a separate team of volunteer community members to answer these tickets? You could create a "Category" section for support requests or have them email faucet@primedice.com instead of support@primedice.com.

Or, make it so that you can only use the faucet once per x amount of time, or make it so you can use the faucet say, 10 or 20 times, and then you'd have to deposit .001 BTC or something to continue using it.

Rather than remove the faucet, explore alternative solutions. It'll be good for us all .

Completely agree. ^What this guy said!

[wry]

I started with faucet to get a feel of the game. I was new to dicing until I came to play at primedice so the faucet is how I learned to play. I went from freeloading the faucet to wagering 550+ BTC.

I am a regular on Primedice and deposit a few times per week, but in between those deposit I depend on the faucet to have fun. What will we do while waiting for a deposit that can take more than an hour?

Faucet, leveling up, and tips is what keeps me coming back to this site. Everything factors into the user experience and these things is what keeps people hook on your site.

If another dice site copys you and open up a faucet, they will take away 70-80% of your regular customers.

Stunna, if you value the user experience and the "fun" factor to the game, please leave faucet as is.

This is really well put and I think EarthBound is probably the "happy model" for what you expected from the faucet.  End faucet abuse and the support spam that goes with it, not the faucet.

Thanks for Primedice!

[dude_threat]

Username jason30

No NOOOO

please don't take away our faucet....
just kill all cheaters instead!!!

[YosemittySAM]

Yeah Earthbound is probably right.   There are plenty of people on primedice who work hard claiming from multiple faucets and try to double it, and cannot because there are pickles who abuse the PD faucet. Remove the faucet on PD get professional. Tip:yogi

[Anony]

I started with faucet to get a feel of the game. I was new to dicing until I came to play at primedice so the faucet is how I learned to play. I went from freeloading the faucet to wagering 550+ BTC.

I am a regular on Primedice and deposit a few times per week, but in between those deposit I depend on the faucet to have fun. What will we do while waiting for a deposit that can take more than an hour?

Faucet, leveling up, and tips is what keeps me coming back to this site. Everything factors into the user experience and these things is what keeps people hook on your site.

If another dice site copys you and open up a faucet, they will take away 70-80% of your regular customers.

Stunna, if you value the user experience and the "fun" factor to the game, please leave faucet as is.

This is really well put and I think EarthBound is probably the "happy model" for what you expected from the faucet.  End faucet abuse and the support spam that goes with it, not the faucet.

Thanks for Primedice!

If the issue is "support spam" ending faucet altogether is only going to cause more emails to support, from new members AND old members. If you want the faucet farming to stop, allow mods to mute anyone they suspect farming, only allow new members to claim once or twice a day, and tell support to suck it up and deal with it. That's their job anyway isn't it? To deal with support emails? I would assume they get paid, the mods deal with just as much, if not MORE complaints than support does, I guarantee it. And you don't see mods getting paid do you? And I don't think I have seen a mod complain not one time dealing with those individuals complaining about faucet changes.

[Stunna]

I started with faucet to get a feel of the game. I was new to dicing until I came to play at primedice so the faucet is how I learned to play. I went from freeloading the faucet to wagering 550+ BTC.

I am a regular on Primedice and deposit a few times per week, but in between those deposit I depend on the faucet to have fun. What will we do while waiting for a deposit that can take more than an hour?

Faucet, leveling up, and tips is what keeps me coming back to this site. Everything factors into the user experience and these things is what keeps people hook on your site.

If another dice site copys you and open up a faucet, they will take away 70-80% of your regular customers.

Stunna, if you value the user experience and the "fun" factor to the game, please leave faucet as is.

This is really well put and I think EarthBound is probably the "happy model" for what you expected from the faucet.  End faucet abuse and the support spam that goes with it, not the faucet.

Thanks for Primedice!

There probably are plenty of best case scenarios but the faucet is what causes the majority of spam on the website and account level farming/sales. How about an alternative that still rewards leveling up but in a less spammy and more difficult to game way?