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March 09, 2018, 03:14:12 PM
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I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440
There is a martingale strategy of winning a roulette game (or any other game) by multiplying your stake each time you lose but it is a particularly bad strategy because it assumes you have infinite resources, which is clearly NOT the case. As everybody's resources are obviously finite, there is a moment when this strategy breaks and you lose it all.

Mathematics can help you choose the games you play and the moments you play them. As great war strategists said: "choose your battlefield" and this is exactly what math can do for you. Take card counting, for example: math telles you when the cards start to go in your favour and when you should enter the game, and when to leave it.
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March 16, 2018, 12:28:16 AM
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yea absolutely math helps in gambling but not for player.
it helps for game makers, developers. you know the house always win.
In a games of poker, I believe that mathematics and specifically Probability and Permutation are able to help someone get a hint of his chances of actually winning and with a little bit of luck on his side, He might end up winning the game.
I like that idea of poker and how it works because i am able to win on that game many times before. It is more into a mind game which you are about to think on every bet that you are going to do by doing strong maths that can beat your enemy.

Poker is for sure an interesting game. You need some psychology and some maths to ensure victory in the long run (winning a small majority of your hands will yield profits in the end). You also need a good bankroll management to have longstanding success in Poker but that's also just something that's nice and adds to the overall experience.

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March 16, 2018, 01:01:56 AM
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yea absolutely math helps in gambling but not for player.
it helps for game makers, developers. you know the house always win.
In a games of poker, I believe that mathematics and specifically Probability and Permutation are able to help someone get a hint of his chances of actually winning and with a little bit of luck on his side, He might end up winning the game.
I like that idea of poker and how it works because i am able to win on that game many times before. It is more into a mind game which you are about to think on every bet that you are going to do by doing strong maths that can beat your enemy.

Poker is for sure an interesting game. You need some psychology and some maths to ensure victory in the long run (winning a small majority of your hands will yield profits in the end). You also need a good bankroll management to have longstanding success in Poker but that's also just something that's nice and adds to the overall experience.

I do agree with you, a game where you play smart or dumb against your opponent to confused them what is really on your hand.  And in the end nailing it with your true set of cards.  But as I watched the games on youtube, it seems at the end it all matters how lucky a person is since the last game and winning cards depends on the last draw of the session.  Math and Psychology helps but as I said, it is still decided by the last draw and how lucky the person is.
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March 17, 2018, 02:52:17 AM
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For me it’s definitely yes, because in gambling calculation matters a lot, you cannot just push and play without thinking, and using strategie because you will just rely totally in luck if no techniques at all. In playing we have to be wise also, timing calculation and strategies must go together to more effective and profitable😊
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March 17, 2018, 03:44:00 AM
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I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440
You can possibly used mathematics when you are  in gambling because you can measure every games in every tactics you can measure in the game. You have an implications like permutations in number so that you may guess what is going to be done so that im preffering that using mathematics is effective when you are in gambling. As well as math is so helpful in aiming a balance gaming and not to be greedy.

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March 17, 2018, 05:20:36 AM
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For me it’s definitely yes, because in gambling calculation matters a lot, you cannot just push and play without thinking, and using strategie because you will just rely totally in luck if no techniques at all. In playing we have to be wise also, timing calculation and strategies must go together to more effective and profitable😊
Calculation don't have anything to do with our winning so it won't increase our winning percentage too,if no then maths experts may start doing gambling everyday then can become millionaires in very short time.Maybe it can help us in some games but it won't help to win the games either.

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March 17, 2018, 06:02:32 AM
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For me it’s definitely yes, because in gambling calculation matters a lot, you cannot just push and play without thinking, and using strategie because you will just rely totally in luck if no techniques at all. In playing we have to be wise also, timing calculation and strategies must go together to more effective and profitable😊
Calculation don't have anything to do with our winning so it won't increase our winning percentage too,if no then maths experts may start doing gambling everyday then can become millionaires in very short time.Maybe it can help us in some games but it won't help to win the games either.

It can help in very few games which require calculation in mind and knowing maths could just have an added advantage while calculating could be at faster pace and you can beat the other person if have an advantage in calculation and thus higher chances of winning becomes a probability.
 

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March 17, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
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But as I watched the games on youtube, it seems at the end it all matters how lucky a person is since the last game and winning cards depends on the last draw of the session.  Math and Psychology helps but as I said, it is still decided by the last draw and how lucky the person is.

That’s only true for particular hands, and good poker players make money on the long term, in spite of having bad luck in some particular hands. All players have long streaks where they are lucky and others where they are unlucky. What good poker players do is to lose little when they have bad luck and to maximize their profits when cards favor them.

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March 17, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
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But as I watched the games on youtube, it seems at the end it all matters how lucky a person is since the last game and winning cards depends on the last draw of the session.  Math and Psychology helps but as I said, it is still decided by the last draw and how lucky the person is.

That’s only true for particular hands, and good poker players make money on the long term, in spite of having bad luck in some particular hands. All players have long streaks where they are lucky and others where they are unlucky. What good poker players do is to lose little when they have bad luck and to maximize their profits when cards favor them.
We call them pro in that particular aspect, as they knew how to be wiser inside the game that they've got, math is not being use here it's a timing
and a strategy where the person who already gain a lots of knowledge about the game they choose, have his own perceptions and knows when to
take advantage, but in the end of the day both pro and newbie are only depend with their luck to win in any type of gamble.
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March 17, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
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But as I watched the games on youtube, it seems at the end it all matters how lucky a person is since the last game and winning cards depends on the last draw of the session.  Math and Psychology helps but as I said, it is still decided by the last draw and how lucky the person is.

That’s only true for particular hands, and good poker players make money on the long term, in spite of having bad luck in some particular hands. All players have long streaks where they are lucky and others where they are unlucky. What good poker players do is to lose little when they have bad luck and to maximize their profits when cards favor them.
In poker you can be successful since that depends on your skills.
As a gambler, you need to be discipline because with weak emotion we will not make a good decision to help us succeed.
Think of the long term so you can be able to manage your money very well, because not all the time you win but seek for wins most of the time.

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March 17, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
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But as I watched the games on youtube, it seems at the end it all matters how lucky a person is since the last game and winning cards depends on the last draw of the session.  Math and Psychology helps but as I said, it is still decided by the last draw and how lucky the person is.

That’s only true for particular hands, and good poker players make money on the long term, in spite of having bad luck in some particular hands. All players have long streaks where they are lucky and others where they are unlucky. What good poker players do is to lose little when they have bad luck and to maximize their profits when cards favor them.
In poker you can be successful since that depends on your skills.
As a gambler, you need to be discipline because with weak emotion we will not make a good decision to help us succeed.
Think of the long term so you can be able to manage your money very well, because not all the time you win but seek for wins most of the time.
Yeah, fully agreed with you sir self-discipline is a must in gambling don't let gambling control on you, you must control gambling so that you can avoid on gambling addiction.
Well, math calculation I think 15% can help in gambling they are base on your luck not by calculation especially in dice gaming no need for calculation. Strategy and Pure skills must you have when you are playing gambling.

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March 17, 2018, 06:26:27 PM
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For me it’s definitely yes, because in gambling calculation matters a lot, you cannot just push and play without thinking, and using strategie because you will just rely totally in luck if no techniques at all. In playing we have to be wise also, timing calculation and strategies must go together to more effective and profitable😊
Calculation don't have anything to do with our winning so it won't increase our winning percentage too,if no then maths experts may start doing gambling everyday then can become millionaires in very short time.Maybe it can help us in some games but it won't help to win the games either.

Yes if Math can affect the victory, then to win the gamble will not be as difficult now. Maybe in some card games, the count can be a little help to win, by counting out and outgoing cards, but for other games, we are required to depend on luck alone so math has no effect.

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March 17, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
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For me it’s definitely yes, because in gambling calculation matters a lot, you cannot just push and play without thinking, and using strategie because you will just rely totally in luck if no techniques at all. In playing we have to be wise also, timing calculation and strategies must go together to more effective and profitable😊

and for me instead of relying on luck as well but you must have the courage to make decisions in this gambling, because just relying on luck alone does not guarantee for you to get hockey, courage and strategy to be virtuous in playing beautiful can add confidence to yourself. rest assured hopefully this is useful.


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March 17, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
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 the winning of roulette bet is depend of the hash  so i think everything about the luck !!
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March 17, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
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Calculation don't have anything to do with our winning so it won't increase our winning percentage too,if no then maths experts may start doing gambling everyday then can become millionaires in very short time.Maybe it can help us in some games but it won't help to win the games either.
I don't know if that Math teacher was able to crack down the lotto jackpot correctly for 4 times or it's just a mere coincidence and pure luck.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023514/Joan-R-Ginther-won-lottery-4-times-Stanford-University-statistics-PhD.html

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March 17, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
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Calculation don't have anything to do with our winning so it won't increase our winning percentage too,if no then maths experts may start doing gambling everyday then can become millionaires in very short time.Maybe it can help us in some games but it won't help to win the games either.
I don't know if that Math teacher was able to crack down the lotto jackpot correctly for 4 times or it's just a mere coincidence and pure luck.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023514/Joan-R-Ginther-won-lottery-4-times-Stanford-University-statistics-PhD.html
That's a high reward for such a hard statistics problem knowing that the chances of that is enormous. Probably having a PhD in Stanford makes you the best among the rest and using mathematics to solve future possible problems even in predictions.

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Sometimes, it depends. There are number of of games that do requires one to caluclate their stakes and do quite a number of calculations to win while there are some that requires your luck; no matter how much good you are in arithmetics, you can't win if you don't have luck. Though most players in offline casinos have argued that arithmetics have helped them win in many games, though I don't know how true this is.
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March 18, 2018, 02:01:52 PM
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the winning of roulette bet is depend of the hash  so i think everything about the luck !!

I agree, math is out of the topic here in gambling, if math could help then many people would have won in gambling. If this is your mindset in gambling, you are too confident that you are going to win, then you might just get disappointed on the result. Playing gambling is not a joke where you could just simply bet your money and going to win in return, it is more than that.

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A spin of a roulette wheel is just like throwing a coin. Each spin is independent, with a 50:50 chance of landing on a black or red ball. Contrary to intuition, the same black number may appear after running from 20 consecutive black numbers as seemingly more likely red.

This randomness means there is a way of using probability to ensure profit: always bet on the same color, and if you lose, double the bet on the next round. Because your color will appear in the end, this method will always generate profits
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March 19, 2018, 04:22:15 AM
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I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440
In my math gambling calculations are still needed and may not be very influential in gambling but in the count of bets included in the math count and this is a logical way of thinking. and there are also some gambling games that use math and it all depends on the gambling being played. win or lose not because of math or anything but all the luck factors


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