[OPEN] Confirmed*PAID* USA NO VAT KnC Neptune#3 - .25 BTC = 17 Shares = ~60 Gh/s

[DugOutDad]

As for btc refund I already converted into USD at the time it was sent

Ok, let's take that comment apart..

https://blockchain.info/address/1EDWX41YdanWd7Xe59kGRSN7BFf86BWCcL - until 7 days ago, had BTC296.65886997 in it, would you care to explain why you would need to send out 6 x BTC38.8xx and 1 x BTC69.2 to different numbers.

One would think if the funds were being used to pay for ELEVEN devices, there's either be 1 large payment to one BTC address, or 11 individual ones again to a singular address, or at the very worst, 11 (or 5 + 1) to different numbers, for exactly the same amounts (besides the Jupiter), aside for the fact the initial post claims the Saturns were paid for between the 12 and 26th of June, and the Jupiter on July 7th anyways.

Looking at the individual transactions, after the first step, they appear to then go to BIG BTC accounts, of the 50K + transaction range, so could easily be to KNC, but there's no way I have, of confirming that.

Could it be more likely that he's held onto the BTC from when the $ rate was $85/1BTC and got burned when it's risen to $123 as it ended on the 20th, and he's been ponzying in the hope to get enough funds to pay for the devices?

Ragingazn - making the leap of (huge at this stage) faith that you're not just a scammer who's done at least two groups (with this user name) out of the region of 425 BTC and 816 BTC respectively, what guarantees can you give, that even if the devices go online (I personally would like to see an order tracking number to enter into the KNC website order tracking system - I know JohnK has posted something, but I've still got the right to be paranoid IMO to see when [if] things were paid for), that any of us are going to see any of the resulting earnings, are payments made manually by yourself every 2 weeks, or something a little more professional akin to the system the likes of Eclipse Mining use ?

[fydel]

Hey guys. As promised I am posting now. If you want a refund via PayPal you have to open up a resolution case because I cannot return without doing so and it is much faster anyway. As for btc refund I already converted into USD at the time it was sent... So if you sent at $80 or like .6 or .7 btc its been already converted into USD. I would have to buy btc at $120 and lose money for refund and so I won't have enough to refund all... If you want refund in USD PayPal I would be more than happy to do so. Again please keep in mind that I'm not here to take anyone's money and run. I've refunded over 500 btc from both Avalon chips group buy in total when they were $150 per btc...

So people without a PP account can not get a refund?
Please explain!

[bowen151]

Paid in 6BTC. Refund should be 6BTC.

It really doesnt make sense any other way.

[norulezapply]

Hey guys. As promised I am posting now. If you want a refund via PayPal you have to open up a resolution case because I cannot return without doing so and it is much faster anyway. As for btc refund I already converted into USD at the time it was sent... So if you sent at $80 or like .6 or .7 btc its been already converted into USD. I would have to buy btc at $120 and lose money for refund and so I won't have enough to refund all... If you want refund in USD PayPal I would be more than happy to do so. Again please keep in mind that I'm not here to take anyone's money and run. I've refunded over 500 btc from both Avalon chips group buy in total when they were $150 per btc...

PS thank you for the text today it was good to hear that someone cares

If you would like to text me via Google voice its 8606317775

I don't particularly believe what you said, but I will accept either 10 BTC or a PayPal refund at 80GBP/BTC or 124USD/BTC if you pay the fees.

Please could you PM me if you are willing to do this, although I am trying my best to reserve my judgement at the moment and will take back anything I've said previous if you do indeed process the refund.

[minerpumpkin]

I feel sorry for his fish and corals   

[m_yaw]

@ ragingazn628:
OK, since your PayPal account is currently limited I think it's not feasible to refund people through Paypal. It will put the receiving persons at risk to come under investigation by Paypal as well.

Proposal:
You refund the USD value of each share at the current BTC/USD price.
 
In my case, I bought a total of 7 shares from Saturn #9 and 1 share from Jupiter #2.
You figure out what the USD value of 1 share was, buy some BTC and refund people.

I think it's sensible to get a refund from KnC as well.

Hope we can work something out this way...

[bowen151]

https://blockchain.info/tx/4358fd83fa393de5805d35f37a6b68124f9bc002103fdd5f912c410d5db387d4

That was my txid for the initial investment, confirmation from ragingazn here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233624.msg2510075#msg2510075

I would like my refund of 6BTC to 1H5mCkE7ix3Ect5nBnGgZiSqMnchB4CyNU

You may need to ask knc for a refund if you need to buy btc if you cant cover it, there was more than enough to cover a large portion of refunds up until the 20th in the address that is listed on the OP, was there not?

[danieldaniel]

Hey,
I just got a PM from someone, and he has a good point. 

It said this: Raginazn gave his login info to John right after the payments were sent from the address (maybe paying the orders).

That would explain why the orders showed up as paid, but it would also make us almost LAST in the shipping queue...

[donut]

Hey,
I just got a PM from someone, and he has a good point.  

It said this: Raginazn gave his login info to John right after the payments were sent from the address (maybe paying the orders).

That would explain why the orders showed up as paid, but it would also make us almost LAST in the shipping queue...

Are you fucking kidding me. I want my money back. All 3 BTC of it.

[floatyfish]

Hey,
I just got a PM from someone, and he has a good point. 

It said this: Raginazn gave his login info to John right after the payments were sent from the address (maybe paying the orders).

That would explain why the orders showed up as paid, but it would also make us almost LAST in the shipping queue...

In that case we're royally screwed, and I say that as somebody with only 1.1 BTC invested in this. We still have time to cancel, which means that we (or rather raginazn) should do it ASAP.

[ilpirata79]

I also would like to know the order dates.
John K., could you please log again into the OP account and see if the orders were really made when OP said?

Best regards,
ilpirata79

[physalis]

I also would like to know the order dates.
John K., could you please log again into the OP account and see if the orders were really made when OP said?

Best regards,
ilpirata79

Why would he need to log into the account again?
Before you grab the torches and make up your theories, how about you just check the post John K. made before:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233624.msg2972994#msg2972994

You can clearly already see the order dates there.
All ordered over 2 months ago.

[danieldaniel]

Before you grab the torches and make up your theories, how about you just check the post by John K a few pages back:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233624.msg2972994#msg2972994

You can clearly see the order dates there.

Yes, that's the day he made the order.  Not the day he paid...

He made the ORDERS before the group buys even finished, IIRC.

[physalis]

Yes, that's the day he made the order.  Not the day he paid...

He made the ORDERS before the group buys even finished, IIRC.

Oh, alright. Good point.

[lajz99]

You guys sharpening your pitchforks yet?

[danieldaniel]

You guys sharpening your pitchforks yet?

My pitchfork is always razor-sharp.

[ragingazn628]

KNCMiner lookeromissing! News: https://www.kncminer.com/news

Raging, I think this GB should recover is transparency. To do so you should:

1) finish the google docs spreadsheet
2) update every bought shares
3) complete the spreadsheet with all the refunds
4) add "shipping days" to every selling (if available by now)
5) whats the status of that company you were talking about?

One solution to the refunds gaps on every selling is to include the people waiting for jupiter2, if they agree of course.

This is first on my list to do thanks. So far prodigits7 and I are just doing damage control etc
 Yes due to life changing events I did cause trouble and distress but so far I have done nothing wrong. So what would you guys like me to do? There's no btc left. Everything is in USD. If you sent .7btc at the time it was worth $50, I can only send you $50 because I have no other funds. I don't even have enough in the bank to cover increased value of bitcoin. We need to fix this before btc skyrockets to $500. Then I will be screwed. But for now if you want refund in btc I think the best case is for me to owe you btc until I can mine with asic machines...

[floatyfish]

KNCMiner lookeromissing! News: https://www.kncminer.com/news

Raging, I think this GB should recover is transparency. To do so you should:

1) finish the google docs spreadsheet
2) update every bought shares
3) complete the spreadsheet with all the refunds
4) add "shipping days" to every selling (if available by now)
5) whats the status of that company you were talking about?

One solution to the refunds gaps on every selling is to include the people waiting for jupiter2, if they agree of course.

This is first on my list to do thanks. So far prodigits7 and I are just doing damage control etc
 Yes due to life changing events I did cause trouble and distress but so far I have done nothing wrong. So what would you guys like me to do? There's no btc left. Everything is in USD. If you sent .7btc at the time it was worth $50, I can only send you $50 because I have no other funds. I don't even have enough in the bank to cover increased value of bitcoin. We need to fix this before btc skyrockets to $500. Then I will be screwed. But for now if you want refund in btc I think the best case is for me to owe you btc until I can mine with asic machines...

This may have been answered already, but do you have an ETA on when these machines are shipping/arriving?

[dbasql]

KNCMiner lookeromissing! News: https://www.kncminer.com/news

Raging, I think this GB should recover is transparency. To do so you should:

1) finish the google docs spreadsheet
2) update every bought shares
3) complete the spreadsheet with all the refunds
4) add "shipping days" to every selling (if available by now)
5) whats the status of that company you were talking about?

One solution to the refunds gaps on every selling is to include the people waiting for jupiter2, if they agree of course.

This is first on my list to do thanks. So far prodigits7 and I are just doing damage control etc
 Yes due to life changing events I did cause trouble and distress but so far I have done nothing wrong. So what would you guys like me to do? There's no btc left. Everything is in USD. If you sent .7btc at the time it was worth $50, I can only send you $50 because I have no other funds. I don't even have enough in the bank to cover increased value of bitcoin. We need to fix this before btc skyrockets to $500. Then I will be screwed. But for now if you want refund in btc I think the best case is for me to owe you btc until I can mine with asic machines...

Good news: You pulled off the SCAM
Bad news: You don't know who you SCAMMED

See spreadsheet and get it done.

[lajz99]

count me in ~ please send me Ur PP account address
Thanks

This has got to be the best troll of the thread.