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May 17, 2018, 09:34:09 AM |
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a very bad situation with this project. The exchange rate of the coin has become much cheaper due to this news. Envion (EVN)
$0,180898 USD (-41,35%)
0,00002185 BTC (-41,57%)
0,00025854 ETH (-42,03%)
Isn't it normal? They have been postponing the mass production for months. CEO was trying to scam them as they said. What a project |
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May 17, 2018, 09:40:12 AM |
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I am buying more and more from yesterday during this panic sell it looking people are trying to get rid of this project but there is still good hope that matter will get resolved and it will back to the original level of price.
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May 17, 2018, 10:11:08 AM |
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I am buying more and more from yesterday during this panic sell it looking people are trying to get rid of this project but there is still good hope that matter will get resolved and it will back to the original level of price.
I owe some as well, but why do you think the price will go back? Aren't the founds stuck? so there will be no further development? |
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May 17, 2018, 10:35:15 AM |
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I am buying more and more from yesterday during this panic sell it looking people are trying to get rid of this project but there is still good hope that matter will get resolved and it will back to the original level of price.
I owe some as well, but why do you think the price will go back? Aren't the founds stuck? so there will be no further development? There will now be a legal dispute between the Founders and the CEO of Envion so the courts will decide who proceeds with the project. |
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May 17, 2018, 10:41:08 AM |
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I am very disappointed for investment into this project and now it showing there is no serious team behind this project some greedy people who are fighting for money. It seems this will be big lose for me and lesson learned never invest into this kind of project.
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May 17, 2018, 10:51:08 AM |
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At this price, it seems like a bargain, the problem is this is crypto...EVN raised a whooping +100 millions in ICO, and now it's only 1/5 of that. I'm not sure where all the $$$ went, but it doesn't looks so good right now. Again, this is crypto, so even at 30 millions market cap, that number could still goes down to zero, if the CEO decided to take the $ and run.
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May 17, 2018, 11:18:35 AM |
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It seems too bad things happened to Envion. But we need detailed update. Many things are still unclear.
"Woestmann filed a criminal complaint in Berlin and informed the Swiss financial supervisory authority FINMA."
Can anyone from small investors confirm this siituation from Berlin in Germany or in Swiss and put here notice?
There is a lot of shit flying around Envion project and now this shitstorm is even bigger. Here you are, watch this video. Founders explain the situation with the lawsuit against them. I had a little hope that finally, Envion wakes up but after watching this video I lost it. This is only beginning and we all will be witnesses of 100 million dollar scam, I think. If lawsuits start to fly around there will be nothing good in the end from this. "Founders Sue CEO Matthias Woestmann's corp. for world's first analogue hacking." Latest medium article: https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-founders-sue-for-worlds-first-analogue-ico-hacking-4fa42a636104Envion Founders Team Statement on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/270171512UPDATE I keep researching and found this site were CEO explains his side of things and as always when you hear his explanation founders are guilty. When you watched founders video on Vimeo you thought that CEO stole tokens. They even call it "First analogue hacking". But truly said there is nothing in the white paper about additional 20 million tokens. I heard about this first time 2 months ago when the announcement shoes up http://envion-recovery.org/What do you think guys? Who is the bad guy here? Looks like there is no agreement from day one just after the creation of additional tokens. Why all this lies about KYC and ongoing audits we have seen in the last announcement? There was nothing about a disagreement between CEO and founders team. Now they show up with video try to explain themselves. So from the first day, there was a problem and nobody said a word about this until yesterday. Why? I think because founders hoped on agreement and CEO don't. Founders did something wrong and against the law, so CEO is holding all cards now. It will be good if somebody from members has a knowledge and experience in such cases, especially from Switzerland. I would like to know how the next months will look like. What are the next legal steps and how long this would take? I will be glad to hear possible scenarios for investors. I know that this is almost impossible that we have a member with such a knowledge but maybe law students can be helpful with further explanations. |
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May 17, 2018, 11:46:28 AM |
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This is what happens when amateurs go into business... It's the same with 99% of crypto.
I think the best way for them is to start refunding ICO funds to investors because they apparently aren't capable running a business and surely won't be capable executing on their promise.
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May 17, 2018, 12:41:10 PM |
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This conflict has reached in front of court and since it is registered company it has chances to come back in future. At this stage risk of loosing everything is very high but seeing tokens this cheap I also put some money to gamble on Envion. It is purely an act of gamble which can bring further loss to me but who knows what actually is going on ?
Could you elaborate this a bit more, what court? I have no idea what Envion's doing and was waiting patiently any positive news. But my options are narrowing, and my patience is all but gone. Envion should be considered a security token, so maybe, if we are lucky we could have some legal support, and with a bit of luck we could have some refund in the future, if the project does not develop. Hope the things will turn well for us. For the ones that asking for bounties.. are you serious? The investors probably lost a big part of their stake/capital/investment cause the ceo of the project scammed them.. and you think that you will receive bounty? |
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May 17, 2018, 02:32:17 PM |
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Dont hold,sell That shit
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May 17, 2018, 02:45:26 PM |
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Market Cap now $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION
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May 17, 2018, 04:40:01 PM |
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the price is very low now,,
but, i don't see any good sign with this project
if i'm not wrong envion already collected about $100,000,000
then, whats wrong with this project ?
regards
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May 17, 2018, 05:18:27 PM |
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This is not investment or business advice at all but selling with loss under panicked situation never was good and will never be. Just pay attention to that press release to see issue isn't that big to not be resolved. This is matter over tokens allocation of registered company. This can not remain unsolved but being panicked to take any decision isn't good at all. Everyone should take pros and cons in consideration.
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May 17, 2018, 05:50:13 PM |
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My thoughts regarding this situation and i would love to know your opinion..
1) Founders story is true
2) CEO story is true
On those to stories the fight is about who gonna win the "chair" on the company.!!
On both 2 thoughts they have to find a solution on anycase cause at the end no matter who wins on courts their reputation will be the less they need to worry about.
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3)None of the stories is true, and maybe is a fake argument in order to regain as much token as possible back in the most possible low price
No matter what is true or not as me personaly never gonna exchange nore sell my ICO . WHen invested on this company i said to my self " I bet , no matter if i loose or win " and believe me i would love to do another invest on 0.01 cent per token. And i ensure you iam a 6 digit investor on this one!!!
So this is my prespective of view for this ICO!!!
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May 17, 2018, 08:19:16 PM |
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I will think about buying under 5 milllion mc. With this mess going on it will fall further
There are to many ICO scams and new noobs which are pushing prices. I mean 100 million wtf??? How this could ever be a profitable buy at ICO???
Dragonchain was valued about 10 million at ICO I think in Oktober and is still about 200 million even after this crash. This was my last biggest ICO investement and a good example of not a scam ICO with good profit. Very very rare now. I couldn't find a similar opportunity since then.
Guys just make a proper due diligence and don't invest in this ICO crap.
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May 17, 2018, 08:58:03 PM |
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May 17, 2018, 09:08:05 PM |
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Market Cap now $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION
people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not |
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May 17, 2018, 09:10:38 PM |
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Market Cap now $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION
people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not My personal opionion and i insist to it , is that this ICO hasnt ended, fast conclusions is always a mistake... I believe this is a welldone set up in order the company to obtaint he most of the ICO's back! |
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May 18, 2018, 01:39:13 AM |
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Market Cap now $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION
people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not My personal opionion and i insist to it , is that this ICO hasnt ended, fast conclusions is always a mistake... I believe this is a welldone set up in order the company to obtaint he most of the ICO's back! This project i who invested a lot must be disappointed. I went to see the market value until I was scared : $ 0.14 well below the value of ICO |
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May 18, 2018, 01:50:00 AM |
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CEO will do a runner to Philipines or Thailand and that be it, just watch.
Laurent is acting like its not a big deal, funds are there, all we need is change CEO and we good to go.
They dont provide any evidence as well, like court papers, emails conv. with CEO, nothing, this ICO from beggining is based on bullshiting promises, like ppl were asking for hardware deals proofs, electricity deals proofs, all they were saying we cant show it.
Fuck Them
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