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[NoobKid220]

So this is solely a CPU mining coin then? Like you can't mine it with ASICS or GPU?

[jsheets1970]

So this is solely a CPU mining coin then? Like you can't mine it with ASICS or GPU?

That is correct..

[jc12345]

What is the impact on stability by running different version of nodes? I notice on the Cryptoid block explorer a wide range of versions running ranging from 1.4.3.2 to 1.4.4.7 and one unknown version number. Will the old ones just be ignored or are the differences not mandatory.

Basically, we have not had a hard fork consensus break since 1.2.0.1 (that changes the consensus rules), so we have these old versions still running because they can - and there is very little harm in running the old versions.  That's why you still see some older versions in 'versionreport' because we havent enforced the upgrade in a hard way - this is primarily driven because we are trying to keep the exchanges on the last mandatory as long as possible.  (They view it as a nuisance to upgrade and could delist us if we abused the privilege).

The more recent versions are more efficient with gobject propagation.  Some things we learned this year require us to add business logic on top of dash's logic to delete old objects.  Then we have the endeavor to upgrade to deterministic sancs (pushed by Dash .14) in the recent versions, with the turnkey providers not supporting deterministic, so we are now adding code and testing it that allows workarounds to upgrade to deterministic in steps, etc.

In about 90 days though we should have all this consolidated into the .14 branch and be "allowed" to push a mandatory again - that would cause everyone to upgrade to one single version.

Thanks for the reply and it makes sense. Have you considered reducing the coin supply from 1.78bn to a lesser amount of say 1.78m? A lesser number of coins are almost always more preferable and of interested to the market. I also looked at the links to the exchanges to try and analyse the trading patterns and noticed that the C-CEX link on p1 does not work.

[bible_pay]

What is the impact on stability by running different version of nodes? I notice on the Cryptoid block explorer a wide range of versions running ranging from 1.4.3.2 to 1.4.4.7 and one unknown version number. Will the old ones just be ignored or are the differences not mandatory.

Basically, we have not had a hard fork consensus break since 1.2.0.1 (that changes the consensus rules), so we have these old versions still running because they can - and there is very little harm in running the old versions.  That's why you still see some older versions in 'versionreport' because we havent enforced the upgrade in a hard way - this is primarily driven because we are trying to keep the exchanges on the last mandatory as long as possible.  (They view it as a nuisance to upgrade and could delist us if we abused the privilege).

The more recent versions are more efficient with gobject propagation.  Some things we learned this year require us to add business logic on top of dash's logic to delete old objects.  Then we have the endeavor to upgrade to deterministic sancs (pushed by Dash .14) in the recent versions, with the turnkey providers not supporting deterministic, so we are now adding code and testing it that allows workarounds to upgrade to deterministic in steps, etc.

In about 90 days though we should have all this consolidated into the .14 branch and be "allowed" to push a mandatory again - that would cause everyone to upgrade to one single version.

Thanks for the reply and it makes sense. Have you considered reducing the coin supply from 1.78bn to a lesser amount of say 1.78m? A lesser number of coins are almost always more preferable and of interested to the market. I also looked at the links to the exchanges to try and analyse the trading patterns and noticed that the C-CEX link on p1 does not work.

Thanks for the update:  I removed QIEX and C-CEX and added Tokok.

As far as the supply count:
I personally believe in the original 5~ billion max supply for a few reasons.  One, I feel people who don't care about BBP lose more coins per year (IE coins that people could care less about if they accidentally lose the wallet or throw away the PC) - because they are dealing with tiny numbers.  I think over time, this will result in higher prices for us.  But more importantly, I think we will design a novel service that will use up all of our coin supply- over the long term.  For one, we have an announcement coming at the end of the month, for a new product called DSQL that will act as a utility (allowing people to buy and sell BBP for gas-type transactions in a decentralized database).  The other larger use case is we are investigating document mining.  If we ever make this part of the mining algorithm, miners will prove allocated space and users will lease the space for Christian storage, etc.  Once we have this and church tithing I think we will be able to setup an environment where each currency unit becomes much rarer.

On an unrelated side note, Sun asked if I believe in DGW:  Yes, I still personally like DGW also.

[jc12345]

What is the impact on stability by running different version of nodes? I notice on the Cryptoid block explorer a wide range of versions running ranging from 1.4.3.2 to 1.4.4.7 and one unknown version number. Will the old ones just be ignored or are the differences not mandatory.

Basically, we have not had a hard fork consensus break since 1.2.0.1 (that changes the consensus rules), so we have these old versions still running because they can - and there is very little harm in running the old versions.  That's why you still see some older versions in 'versionreport' because we havent enforced the upgrade in a hard way - this is primarily driven because we are trying to keep the exchanges on the last mandatory as long as possible.  (They view it as a nuisance to upgrade and could delist us if we abused the privilege).

The more recent versions are more efficient with gobject propagation.  Some things we learned this year require us to add business logic on top of dash's logic to delete old objects.  Then we have the endeavor to upgrade to deterministic sancs (pushed by Dash .14) in the recent versions, with the turnkey providers not supporting deterministic, so we are now adding code and testing it that allows workarounds to upgrade to deterministic in steps, etc.

In about 90 days though we should have all this consolidated into the .14 branch and be "allowed" to push a mandatory again - that would cause everyone to upgrade to one single version.

Thanks for the reply and it makes sense. Have you considered reducing the coin supply from 1.78bn to a lesser amount of say 1.78m? A lesser number of coins are almost always more preferable and of interested to the market. I also looked at the links to the exchanges to try and analyse the trading patterns and noticed that the C-CEX link on p1 does not work.

Thanks for the update:  I removed QIEX and C-CEX and added Tokok.

As far as the supply count:
I personally believe in the original 5~ billion max supply for a few reasons.  One, I feel people who don't care about BBP lose more coins per year (IE coins that people could care less about if they accidentally lose the wallet or throw away the PC) - because they are dealing with tiny numbers.  I think over time, this will result in higher prices for us.  But more importantly, I think we will design a novel service that will use up all of our coin supply- over the long term.  For one, we have an announcement coming at the end of the month, for a new product called DSQL that will act as a utility (allowing people to buy and sell BBP for gas-type transactions in a decentralized database).  The other larger use case is we are investigating document mining.  If we ever make this part of the mining algorithm, miners will prove allocated space and users will lease the space for Christian storage, etc.  Once we have this and church tithing I think we will be able to setup an environment where each currency unit becomes much rarer.

On an unrelated side note, Sun asked if I believe in DGW:  Yes, I still personally like DGW also.

The document storage sounds interesting. Although several other coins have done something similar (Storj comes to mind). Will the storage reside on the mining nodes or somewhere on the cloud and rights protected by the crypto and blockchain? Things that come to mind are distribution of gospel music and storage of biblical texts. What was interesting with other storage projects is that it becomes almost impossible to ensure that the content stays on topic. A content storage container on the Internet will very quickly become eg. a pornographic content store.

[bible_pay]

What is the impact on stability by running different version of nodes? I notice on the Cryptoid block explorer a wide range of versions running ranging from 1.4.3.2 to 1.4.4.7 and one unknown version number. Will the old ones just be ignored or are the differences not mandatory.

Basically, we have not had a hard fork consensus break since 1.2.0.1 (that changes the consensus rules), so we have these old versions still running because they can - and there is very little harm in running the old versions.  That's why you still see some older versions in 'versionreport' because we havent enforced the upgrade in a hard way - this is primarily driven because we are trying to keep the exchanges on the last mandatory as long as possible.  (They view it as a nuisance to upgrade and could delist us if we abused the privilege).

The more recent versions are more efficient with gobject propagation.  Some things we learned this year require us to add business logic on top of dash's logic to delete old objects.  Then we have the endeavor to upgrade to deterministic sancs (pushed by Dash .14) in the recent versions, with the turnkey providers not supporting deterministic, so we are now adding code and testing it that allows workarounds to upgrade to deterministic in steps, etc.

In about 90 days though we should have all this consolidated into the .14 branch and be "allowed" to push a mandatory again - that would cause everyone to upgrade to one single version.

Thanks for the reply and it makes sense. Have you considered reducing the coin supply from 1.78bn to a lesser amount of say 1.78m? A lesser number of coins are almost always more preferable and of interested to the market. I also looked at the links to the exchanges to try and analyse the trading patterns and noticed that the C-CEX link on p1 does not work.

Thanks for the update:  I removed QIEX and C-CEX and added Tokok.

As far as the supply count:
I personally believe in the original 5~ billion max supply for a few reasons.  One, I feel people who don't care about BBP lose more coins per year (IE coins that people could care less about if they accidentally lose the wallet or throw away the PC) - because they are dealing with tiny numbers.  I think over time, this will result in higher prices for us.  But more importantly, I think we will design a novel service that will use up all of our coin supply- over the long term.  For one, we have an announcement coming at the end of the month, for a new product called DSQL that will act as a utility (allowing people to buy and sell BBP for gas-type transactions in a decentralized database).  The other larger use case is we are investigating document mining.  If we ever make this part of the mining algorithm, miners will prove allocated space and users will lease the space for Christian storage, etc.  Once we have this and church tithing I think we will be able to setup an environment where each currency unit becomes much rarer.

On an unrelated side note, Sun asked if I believe in DGW:  Yes, I still personally like DGW also.

The document storage sounds interesting. Although several other coins have done something similar (Storj comes to mind). Will the storage reside on the mining nodes or somewhere on the cloud and rights protected by the crypto and blockchain? Things that come to mind are distribution of gospel music and storage of biblical texts. What was interesting with other storage projects is that it becomes almost impossible to ensure that the content stays on topic. A content storage container on the Internet will very quickly become eg. a pornographic content store.

Yes, there are a few other coins that lease space out for decentralized storage, although its not clear which are in production (I read a few months ago there were still technical problems with each solution).  We will be the first in production with reverse DNS and a decentralized SQL server.  We will be the first with human readable URLs.

The data will not be stored at cloud providers; it will be stored in zones across BiblePay BMS nodes.  In the first baby step, a volunteer will have to host a BMS node and run it on a piece of hardware such as a sanctuary and expose port 443.  But in the future as we design BIPFS mining, a miner may host a zone on their home machine potentially (this is completely unknown at this point) but I would imagine 10-20 miners hosting the same zone for durability.

As far as MPIAA, GDPR, RIAA takedown requests, the person leasing the storage will need to post a collateral transaction before they use BIPFS for storage.  Potentially $10-$20 or so minimum in a DSQL account, and each DSQL account is linked to the CPK.  Our server will automatically deduct fees from that account as time passes or as it is used.  If someone finds a hash pointing to porn we have a page - called a takedown request page - where the hash gets inserted in the DSQL table - in the takedown list permanently (this makes BMS physically delete it and block it).  I think what we can do is sieze the account of the person who did it and donate it to the foundation as a penalty, etc.  So because we will be the first with true decentralized reverse dns, we will be able to police this as we receive complaints.

I agree that we should probably make this a Christian oriented service and potentially not open to the whole of internet content.  We can control this by setting the fees appropriately.  If its expensive to host a video no one will host a video.  But we can host the Christian Treasure Trove (IE the protected data that the Antichrist will try to scrub), including end-time and rapture videos, gospel songs, and Vatican documents at a discount, etc.

[capulo]

Good Morning

It looks BBP/ETH trading is alive already on Tokok exchange.

Yeah he is already live in Tokok and don't forget about the trading competition for top 50 trader. I would say it was the best move for gain volume in the new exchange, I'm sure people will pay attention.

I see some bogus trading there on small quantities, sounds like a bot buying with one account and selling the same with the other, so the first account can reap the prize after buying millions (and selling millions with the second one).

I wonder if the exchange owners can detect this fraud and disqualify those accounts from the contest.

Its too early to know if they are "bogus" or not;  What I see so far is a lot of trades being executed between the bid and ask, that are in the execution list and on the chart but not in the order book. 

I think Tokok might have some type of market maker program where they provide an edge for people to buy/sell off of the level 2 book (IE if you act as a market maker you take part of the trading fee, if you take liquidity you pay the fee etc).  Its not clear to me "who" is running the bot, if its an exchange bot, or a market maker jumps in on every new ticker (similar to pools who jump on new coins the moment they are released).

Someone would need to ask Tokok who runs this.  One thing I did notice, is the trade that is executed in-between the bid & ask just now did change the chart and volume.  So the other question is, do market makers get special privileges (to trade bots between the market that arent even part of the order book)?  (As these small trades dont go in the order book).

Lets see how it plays out when we get entered into the ETH page, hopefully more people from China/Hong Kong will come on board and be part of BiblePay.

it is not bot or someone, it is just fake volume generator. it is generating orders between buy and sell. if buy will be 200 and sell 201 then it will stop, you can try. same with eth, ltc or other coins, just check. same was on qiex.

[bible_pay]

Good Morning

It looks BBP/ETH trading is alive already on Tokok exchange.

Yeah he is already live in Tokok and don't forget about the trading competition for top 50 trader. I would say it was the best move for gain volume in the new exchange, I'm sure people will pay attention.

I see some bogus trading there on small quantities, sounds like a bot buying with one account and selling the same with the other, so the first account can reap the prize after buying millions (and selling millions with the second one).

I wonder if the exchange owners can detect this fraud and disqualify those accounts from the contest.

Its too early to know if they are "bogus" or not;  What I see so far is a lot of trades being executed between the bid and ask, that are in the execution list and on the chart but not in the order book. 

I think Tokok might have some type of market maker program where they provide an edge for people to buy/sell off of the level 2 book (IE if you act as a market maker you take part of the trading fee, if you take liquidity you pay the fee etc).  Its not clear to me "who" is running the bot, if its an exchange bot, or a market maker jumps in on every new ticker (similar to pools who jump on new coins the moment they are released).

Someone would need to ask Tokok who runs this.  One thing I did notice, is the trade that is executed in-between the bid & ask just now did change the chart and volume.  So the other question is, do market makers get special privileges (to trade bots between the market that arent even part of the order book)?  (As these small trades dont go in the order book).

Lets see how it plays out when we get entered into the ETH page, hopefully more people from China/Hong Kong will come on board and be part of BiblePay.

it is not bot or someone, it is just fake volume generator. it is generating orders between buy and sell. if buy will be 200 and sell 201 then it will stop, you can try. same with eth, ltc or other coins, just check. same was on qiex.

I'm not sure I come to the same conclusion.

The IT dept of Tokok sent me a 100meg "program" and asked me if I wanted to be a market maker.  It requires a massive amount of setup.  It has a lot of rules.  I wasn't particularly interested in it because I've got a backlog and more important things to do for God.

But it sort of appears to be the same thing being run by someone else - they put in a certain amount of risk capital, IE .50 BTC, add in the business logic and let it run and it executes these through the API.  The thing I don't know about is if those trades in between bid-ask are "real" on a level2 book.  Someone should ask Tokok if they really debit/credit balances with those (for professional traders etc).

[jc12345]

Good Morning

It looks BBP/ETH trading is alive already on Tokok exchange.

Yeah he is already live in Tokok and don't forget about the trading competition for top 50 trader. I would say it was the best move for gain volume in the new exchange, I'm sure people will pay attention.

I see some bogus trading there on small quantities, sounds like a bot buying with one account and selling the same with the other, so the first account can reap the prize after buying millions (and selling millions with the second one).

I wonder if the exchange owners can detect this fraud and disqualify those accounts from the contest.

Its too early to know if they are "bogus" or not;  What I see so far is a lot of trades being executed between the bid and ask, that are in the execution list and on the chart but not in the order book. 

I think Tokok might have some type of market maker program where they provide an edge for people to buy/sell off of the level 2 book (IE if you act as a market maker you take part of the trading fee, if you take liquidity you pay the fee etc).  Its not clear to me "who" is running the bot, if its an exchange bot, or a market maker jumps in on every new ticker (similar to pools who jump on new coins the moment they are released).

Someone would need to ask Tokok who runs this.  One thing I did notice, is the trade that is executed in-between the bid & ask just now did change the chart and volume.  So the other question is, do market makers get special privileges (to trade bots between the market that arent even part of the order book)?  (As these small trades dont go in the order book).

Lets see how it plays out when we get entered into the ETH page, hopefully more people from China/Hong Kong will come on board and be part of BiblePay.

it is not bot or someone, it is just fake volume generator. it is generating orders between buy and sell. if buy will be 200 and sell 201 then it will stop, you can try. same with eth, ltc or other coins, just check. same was on qiex.

I'm not sure I come to the same conclusion.

The IT dept of Tokok sent me a 100meg "program" and asked me if I wanted to be a market maker.  It requires a massive amount of setup.  It has a lot of rules.  I wasn't particularly interested in it because I've got a backlog and more important things to do for God.

But it sort of appears to be the same thing being run by someone else - they put in a certain amount of risk capital, IE .50 BTC, add in the business logic and let it run and it executes these through the API.  The thing I don't know about is if those trades in between bid-ask are "real" on a level2 book.  Someone should ask Tokok if they really debit/credit balances with those (for professional traders etc).

These things should actually be banned. It will never be allowed with normal share trading and should not be allowed in crypto. Fake volume is one of the big culprits in crypto. Luckily it is easy to spot a bot but some noobs might be caught. I wonder if coinmarketcap will pick up on it and mark as fake volume.

[bible_pay]

** Notice of New BiblePay version coming soon **

Someone asked recently if these old versions were harming biblepay. 

I've been doing analysis of governance propagation and I'm coming to the conclusion that these old versions *are* hurting biblepay.

I'm seeing that the reason we have excessive traffic and a failure to replicate objects is the high percentage of nodes that never upgraded (25%-50% are running a version that has different gobject propagation rules).

In light of this we will be having a mandatory upgrade soon (within 7 days).

Please keep an eye on this thread.

[jc12345]

** Notice of New BiblePay version coming soon **

Someone asked recently if these old versions were harming biblepay. 

I've been doing analysis of governance propagation and I'm coming to the conclusion that these old versions *are* hurting biblepay.

I'm seeing that the reason we have excessive traffic and a failure to replicate objects is the high percentage of nodes that never upgraded (25%-50% are running a version that has different gobject propagation rules).

In light of this we will be having a mandatory upgrade soon (within 7 days).

Please keep an eye on this thread.

The reason why I asked is that sometimes older nodes are problematic with some other coins. If I want to run a node, will the new mandatory upgraded wallet compile on Ubuntu 19.04? I am trying to get a away from Ubuntu 14/16.

[bible_pay]

** Notice of New BiblePay version coming soon **

Someone asked recently if these old versions were harming biblepay. 

I've been doing analysis of governance propagation and I'm coming to the conclusion that these old versions *are* hurting biblepay.

I'm seeing that the reason we have excessive traffic and a failure to replicate objects is the high percentage of nodes that never upgraded (25%-50% are running a version that has different gobject propagation rules).

In light of this we will be having a mandatory upgrade soon (within 7 days).

Please keep an eye on this thread.

The reason why I asked is that sometimes older nodes are problematic with some other coins. If I want to run a node, will the new mandatory upgraded wallet compile on Ubuntu 19.04? I am trying to get a away from Ubuntu 14/16.

In our case it was just a matter of trying to get mileage out of this last mandatory "era" but we're pressed to force it.  I assumed 95% would upgrade when we released that version with the gobject rules, but what actually happened, (I believe), is a lot of miners kept the old version for some reason, and Im seeing that they aren't forwarding our gobjects.  If they are in a diverse location, this means we have pockets of areas where the objects dont get forwarded.

Ill have to ask MIP on that question; MIP do you know if our binaries support 19.04?

[togoshigekata]

FACEBOOK AD

Results:
https://imgur.com/a/hBWlFYr

Post:
https://www.facebook.com/BiblePay/photos/a.637617183257961/930231620663181/

I received the $30 credit for spending $10 (Spent $22 [$10 of my own, $12 of the credit])

I targeted a Christian audience across USA and Europe
(I can only target: location, age, gender and interests)

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Ive entered a 2nd Facebook ad now that is just our logo
and a short description with a button titled "Learn More" that links to our website
https://i.imgur.com/MuFZlTv.png
(Budgeting $17, Ad is currently under review)

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WEBSITE DESIGN

Im thinking about running a website landing page design contest
http://biblepay.org/

Im not sure how to run it though,
I have at least 1 million BBP Id be willing to front for this, any ideas?

Website Google Analytics: https://imgur.com/a/Z5PyW3I
(The most viewed pages are: 1. landing/home page, 2. mining page, 3. wallet page)

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CODE COMMITS

"640 Crypto Projects Have Failed to Publish a Single Line of Code This Year"
https://bitcoinist.com/640-crypto-projects-have-failed-to-publish-a-single-line-of-code-this-year/

"Analyzing Cryptocurrencies Github Activity"
https://blog.coincodecap.com/analyzing-cryptocurrencies-github-activity/

BiblePay is Ranked #86 and #150!
CryptoMiso: https://www.cryptomiso.com/#BBP
CodeCodeCap: https://coincodecap.com/project/BBP

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MINING POOL

I submitted us to be addded to Mining Pool Stats:
https://miningpoolstats.stream/biblepay
Does the biblepay pool have an API?

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HELP BIBLEPAY!

Anyone can get paid BBP for helping do work for BiblePay!
http://wiki.biblepay.org/UnderstandingGovernance

From GUI Wallet, in top menu click Proposals >> Proposals Add
NOTE: Only costs 2500 BBP to submit a proposal requesting funding for your work

We also welcome all volunteers!

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Open TODO List:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/cwoj86/open_todo_list/

Help Update WhitePaper:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/cyd12g/need_help_updating_white_paper/

[MIP]

Ill have to ask MIP on that question; MIP do you know if our binaries support 19.04?

I will try the binaries in 19.04 then come back with the results

EDIT: test indicate that both current QT and daemon binaries for x86_64 architecture work fine in Ubuntu 19.04

[bible_pay]

I'm sorry if the comment is offense to you or Dev.

I just conveyed the information what we discussed.

This information does not affect my confidence in TOKOK, because I currently use it as a BBP deposit and trading other coins.

It’s just that I don’t think we have a clear understanding of China’s domestic market information, and that their mainstream direction is on which side.

No problem my friend, I'm sorry I came across harshly.

If you can find any of the major exchanges in China that have a low quote, or are willing to list us, please enter us and I will be happy to finish the integration.

[togoshigekata]

Togo, can you please ask someone to ask CryptoBridge to put us in maintenance, or ask them for us?

Task completed, CryptoBridge has been notified in their Discord, in private #bbp channel with CryptoBridge admins
If you and/or MIP are interested in joining into that channel, just let me know and I will ask them to add you in

CryptoBridge Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/H6Qt2dQ

[togoshigekata]

Ive upgraded the biblepay explorer:
http://explorer.biblepay.org/

[capulo]

anybody got some reward in trading comeptition on tokok?
i bought about 5m so i believe i was pretty high in rank, but no reward yet

[SEO_Account]

anybody got some reward in trading comeptition on tokok?
i bought about 5m so i believe i was pretty high in rank, but no reward yet

Yeah I got 9574

[Moshen]

Togo, can you please ask someone to ask CryptoBridge to put us in maintenance, or ask them for us?

Task completed, CryptoBridge has been notified in their Discord, in private #bbp channel with CryptoBridge admins
If you and/or MIP are interested in joining into that channel, just let me know and I will ask them to add you in

CryptoBridge Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/H6Qt2dQ

That Bridge guy has been treating his own customers with discord and very high level of contempt. If u let him deprave this coin also, I will leave and close the door behind me. Public expressions of detestation demonstrated in a closed channel is a sort of conduct which makes him look like an angry social worker. Too much beverage in his stomach confused his neurocortex capabilities.