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September 01, 2013, 02:22:57 PM
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ActM share price just dropped below Labcoin   Grin

dude, this is not a short term contest Wink

Longterm, ActM is going to annihilate LC, but for now LC is the winner.

People bough amc at first ipo price are real winners Smiley
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September 01, 2013, 02:44:59 PM
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If you think LC won't be above 0.01 BTC when hashing starts you're ignoring the maths, making you delusional.

you can't compare LC to the AM of today, you have to compare LC to the AM that first started hashing.  Returns were much higher, share price much lower for the amount of dividends.  Only after people gained confidence in AM did the share price rise compared to the dividend.

LC may eventually make it to .01, but not next week.

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September 01, 2013, 02:53:22 PM
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As long as it stays above 0.003 for the weekend I'll be happy.

Good luck. I am certain my buy orders between 0.002 and 0.0028 will be filled over the weekend.


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September 01, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
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As long as it stays above 0.003 for the weekend I'll be happy.

Good luck. I am certain my buy orders between 0.002 and 0.0028 will be filled over the weekend.


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September 01, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.
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September 01, 2013, 03:04:13 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.


How many and how much?

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September 01, 2013, 03:04:28 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.

I hope you didn't buy too many. The good news is you get a dividend paid from investor funds. :p
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September 01, 2013, 03:04:49 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.

ahahahaha I did that too but on purpose, sold them a few hours later with a small margin xD

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September 01, 2013, 03:07:55 PM
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If you think LC won't be above 0.01 BTC when hashing starts you're ignoring the maths, making you delusional.

you can't compare LC to the AM of today, you have to compare LC to the AM that first started hashing.  Returns were much higher, share price much lower for the amount of dividends.  Only after people gained confidence in AM did the share price rise compared to the dividend.

LC may eventually make it to .01, but not next week.

Comparing LC in 2 weeks time to AM when it fist started mining is simply idiotic. AM will be the already established competitor, making it perfectly valid to use it's current state as a basis for comparisons at the time LC start mining within the next 10 days.

You've already shown that you don't grasp basic maths, Vela, and put faith before facts, so I'm not really surprised you don't understand why LC will rise above 0.01 BTC.

Look at the numbers I've presented though, they're calling you an idiot.
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September 01, 2013, 03:08:55 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.


How many and how much?


about 4500 shares for .00349. I was trying to set a buy for LC but was on the wrong window.
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September 01, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
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I just accidentally purchased ActM shares instead of LC. This freaking sucks.


How many and how much?


about 4500 shares for .00349. I was trying to set a buy for LC but was on the wrong window.

Weekend slump sale.

You might get lucky.

If it goes under .0029 I might buy a few but only as a very short term investment.

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September 01, 2013, 05:23:24 PM
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you guys think so short term. i bet if you had the chance to buy into asicminer you would have sold off at .2 to .3.

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September 01, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
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you guys think so short term. i bet if you had the chance to buy into asicminer you would have sold off at .2 to .3.
Because currently in the Bitcoin world there are too many other opportunities to make money. It would be stupid to just buy and sit on stuff without taking your profit. Because it is likely going to swing back and forth multiple times from point A to point B. That type of strategy works in the matured financial markets but here it is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot.
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September 01, 2013, 05:45:01 PM
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It is perfectly rational to sell a share when you are at ×2/×3, outside of other information. Traditional investors have similar sayings, but for 30%.
You can even sell only half and have all your investment back, with half the shares left.

It's not perfectly rational. It's emotional, just a psychological method to calm yourself down so you can think "ok, phew, I got my initial investment out of there, nothing can go wrong from here."
It's completely understandable, but not rational. If you believe in the value of your investment and that it will rise in the future, the rational decision is to stay invested.



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September 01, 2013, 05:45:48 PM
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you guys think so short term. i bet if you had the chance to buy into asicminer you would have sold off at .2 to .3.

True, I learned quickly when I took profits on litecoin, bought 7 cents sold 15 cents.
Then it peaked at $6. (could've been a millionaire! not making that mistake again)
 
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September 01, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
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you guys think so short term. i bet if you had the chance to buy into asicminer you would have sold off at .2 to .3.

True, I learned quickly when I took profits on litecoin, bought 7 cents sold 15 cents.
Then it peaked at $6. (could've been a millionaire! not making that mistake again)
 
You sold at $0.15 and then completely ignored LTC price for a couple weeks? You aren't necessarily supposed to sell and never look back. You sell at the peak and buy back in the sell-off.
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September 01, 2013, 06:39:22 PM
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You do understand that you're never totally sure the investment will rise in the future, right?

That is the irrational part. The part where you're afraid that your judgement might turn out wrong.

A completely rational investment decision looks at the risk and the potential profit and decides to either invest or not invest.
And then if the risk evaluation changes over time and the potential profit becomes lower than the risk of losing, you'd take 100% out. It is not a solid investment anymore. You wouldn't decide to keep 75% in, or 50%, because it wouldn't make mathematical sense.

Just to be clear though, what I mean is that a perfectly rational investor doesn't exist, because making perfectly rational risk assessments is impossible.
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September 01, 2013, 06:45:17 PM
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Comparing LC in 2 weeks time to AM when it fist started mining is simply idiotic. AM will be the already established competitor, making it perfectly valid to use it's current state as a basis for comparisons at the time LC start mining within the next 10 days.

so, you think the market will judge an established company with a 12 month track record equally as one that starts hashing next week?  Ridiculous.

The risk is completely different on each security, and that's why when AM started hashing we saw APRs of over 70% for quite a while.  Gradually, as AM proved themselves, that APR went down (share price increased).  Expecting LC to jump immediately to be on par with AM ignores the significant risk LC carries.

There is no reason to assume that investors will be comfortable with APRs for LC as they are currently for AM.  LC is going to have to prove itself over time, and hashing at 4 TH/s is not proof that they are a stable investment worthy of a 30% APR share price.

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September 01, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
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wow, major sell off, 50K shares.

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September 01, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
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You do understand that you're never totally sure the investment will rise in the future, right?

That is the irrational part. The part where you're afraid that your judgement might turn out wrong.

A completely rational investment decision looks at the risk and the potential profit and decides to either invest or not invest.
And then if the risk evaluation changes over time and the potential profit becomes lower than the risk of losing, you'd take 100% out. It is not a solid investment anymore. You wouldn't decide to keep 75% in, or 50%, because it wouldn't make mathematical sense.

Just to be clear though, what I mean is that a perfectly rational investor doesn't exist, because making perfectly rational risk assessments is impossible.

WTF? Please stop making a fool of yourself and go learn some portfolio theory. There is beta associated with all securities, and proper diversification reduces your net beta without impacting alpha.

The risk level associated with a security may change with the price level, and therefore it may make a great deal of sense to eliminate (or add) fractions of your position.

Not to mention there may be marginal utility for your equity. You may be unwilling to lose the second BTC of the current 2 BTC investment a lot more than the first,  and therefore liquidate 1 BTC.

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