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August 29, 2013, 11:56:11 PM
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Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



So.... If Labcoin hits 10% of their stated goal I am looking at almost exactly 2 year ROI on all the stock I buy right now.  Anywhere but bitcoinland those are astounding numbers.  If a 'real' company on the NYSE claimed it was going to do that no one would believe it.  If they did believe it would be absolute insanity with people falling over themselves to buy.  In a matter of hours the price would go up 10-fold.

People have got to stop expecting every company to be ASICMiner.  ASICMiner was a fluke, it will never happen again.  The ASIC boat has sailed and we can't expect insanely amazing profits from these companies.  We have have to settle for returns that are merely   really really good.
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August 30, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
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Maybe I am a noob, actually I am...but why are you looking at dividends as a way of getting the ROI? Isn't the share price important here?

If it stays on or above what you paid for (e.g. 0.003), you are good. Anything on top of that (and the dividends over the years) is just pure profit.



Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



So.... If Labcoin hits 10% of their stated goal I am looking at almost exactly 2 year ROI on all the stock I buy right now.  Anywhere but bitcoinland those are astounding numbers.  If a 'real' company on the NYSE claimed it was going to do that no one would believe it.  If they did believe it would be absolute insanity with people falling over themselves to buy.  In a matter of hours the price would go up 10-fold.

People have got to stop expecting every company to be ASICMiner.  ASICMiner was a fluke, it will never happen again.  The ASIC boat has sailed and we can't expect insanely amazing profits from these companies.  We have have to settle for returns that are merely   really really good.
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August 30, 2013, 12:25:27 AM
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For the test run we opted for QFP packaging, 44 pin, no exposed heat pad, here is a small preview :




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August 30, 2013, 12:26:59 AM
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Just to remind people of Labcoin's potential, if we assume equal profit to AM we get the following numbers:

AM
400,000 shares
2.712 BTC per share.

ActM
25,000,000 shares
62.5x more shares than AM
2.712 BTC / 62.5 = 0.043392 BTC per share

Labcoin
10,000,000 shares
25x more shares than AM
2.712 BTC / 25 = 0.10848 BTC per share

Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



Mark it down and compare with future share price and dividends.
Current action should be buy buy buy.
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August 30, 2013, 12:28:46 AM
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^That is what I figured someone would say. These could be any chip you order from Mouser or other. They aren't even the same chips in the photo, one has a circle in the corner, the other has a larger circle in the center. And the packaging is different.
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August 30, 2013, 01:07:09 AM
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August 30, 2013, 01:22:53 AM
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Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



So.... If Labcoin hits 10% of their stated goal I am looking at almost exactly 2 year ROI on all the stock I buy right now.  Anywhere but bitcoinland those are astounding numbers.  If a 'real' company on the NYSE claimed it was going to do that no one would believe it.  If they did believe it would be absolute insanity with people falling over themselves to buy.  In a matter of hours the price would go up 10-fold.

People have got to stop expecting every company to be ASICMiner.  ASICMiner was a fluke, it will never happen again.  The ASIC boat has sailed and we can't expect insanely amazing profits from these companies.  We have have to settle for returns that are merely   really really good.

No. If you bought right now at a price of 0.003609 BTC per share and assume that Labcoin had 10% of the network hash rate, it would take 0.003609 / 0.00035280 = 10.23 rounds to recoup the cost of the share. With the length of each round being 10-14 days depending on how fast the network is growing, 10.23 rounds would be take between 102 and 143 days.

AM was not a fluke. There is nothing special about AM. They make ASICs to mine with and sell. I don't understand why you would think that nobody else could possibly do that.
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August 30, 2013, 01:28:26 AM
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AM was not a fluke. There is nothing special about AM. They make ASICs to mine with and sell. I don't understand why you would think that nobody else could possibly do that.

I'm inclined to agree with that. There's no telling how much the bitcoin ecosystem is going to grow, although all signs seem to point to extreme growth. There's some solid evidence to suggest that the ASIC war is going to really start in Q4 2013.
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August 30, 2013, 01:28:42 AM
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Labcoins price is about to breakout above .004, the price took a dive to support, and rebounded strong, made a nice cup and handle formation and it looks like it's going to breakout again on the charts
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Labcoins price is about to breakout above .004, the price took a dive to support, and rebounded strong, made a nice cup and handle formation and it looks like it's going to breakout again on the charts
As if these stock prices can be analyzed like any traditional stock on the traditional exchanges.
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August 30, 2013, 02:14:56 AM
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Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



So.... If Labcoin hits 10% of their stated goal I am looking at almost exactly 2 year ROI on all the stock I buy right now.  Anywhere but bitcoinland those are astounding numbers.  If a 'real' company on the NYSE claimed it was going to do that no one would believe it.  If they did believe it would be absolute insanity with people falling over themselves to buy.  In a matter of hours the price would go up 10-fold.

People have got to stop expecting every company to be ASICMiner.  ASICMiner was a fluke, it will never happen again.  The ASIC boat has sailed and we can't expect insanely amazing profits from these companies.  We have have to settle for returns that are merely   really really good.

No. If you bought right now at a price of 0.003609 BTC per share and assume that Labcoin had 10% of the network hash rate, it would take 0.003609 / 0.00035280 = 10.23 rounds to recoup the cost of the share. With the length of each round being 10-14 days depending on how fast the network is growing, 10.23 rounds would be take between 102 and 143 days.

AM was not a fluke. There is nothing special about AM. They make ASICs to mine with and sell. I don't understand why you would think that nobody else could possibly do that.

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August 30, 2013, 02:16:46 AM
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No. If you bought right now at a price of 0.003609 BTC per share and assume that Labcoin had 10% of the network hash rate, it would take 0.003609 / 0.00035280 = 10.23 rounds to recoup the cost of the share. With the length of each round being 10-14 days depending on how fast the network is growing, 10.23 rounds would be take between 102 and 143 days.

AM was not a fluke. There is nothing special about AM. They make ASICs to mine with and sell. I don't understand why you would think that nobody else could possibly do that.

I keep track of weird things, and this is exactly the 2nd time I've agree'd with Mabsark.

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Labcoins price is about to breakout above .004, the price took a dive to support, and rebounded strong, made a nice cup and handle formation and it looks like it's going to breakout again on the charts
As if these stock prices can be analyzed like any traditional stock on the traditional exchanges.

Yes TA can apply whether on pink sheets, bitcoins or traditional exchanges.  I know the argument goes that on "real" exchanges you see a bunch of traders trading the formations thus the TA tends to make self fulfilling prophecies and here we have noobs without those TA skills but consider the following:

The reason chart formations can be such a reliable indicator is that they also reflect investor sentiment charted through time. So consider a cup and handle formation. There were investors who bought and watched the price fall and then watched it climb back up feeling a surge of emotions along each of those points. Then along the handle part of the formation they see stability... "OK" they say, "well the water looks safe, I don't think the odds of losing my money are great now, let me put a little more money in." But you have a whole herd thinking that.

Die hard TA traders often seem to forget that those charts represent extreme emotions charted over time which is why formations repeat so often. They get lost in a sea of math and oscillators and indicators and formations and forget about the emotions and psychology that make the math. That psychology is why nearly every parabolic spike that pops has a bull trap dead cat bounce. It's the people trying to be the smart ones catching a falling knife and buying at "the bottom"  meeting the people that just watched all their equity evaporate in the blink of an eye to resume the downward pressure and then those smart guys join the longs in a run to the exits as they all panic an the price drops even farther. These formations don't need a bunch of people trading following TA to be repeatable as they occur again and again as psychology operates the same over and over.

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August 30, 2013, 02:58:09 AM
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August 30, 2013, 02:58:28 AM
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Here's some numbers for dividends based on share of the network hash rate.

BTC/Block = 25 BTC
Blocks/Round = 2,016 Blocks
BTC/Round = 50,400 BTC
Labcoin shares = 10,000,000

0.1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 50.4 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 15.12 BTC
70% Dividends = 35.28 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00000353 BTC

0.5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 252 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 75.6 BTC
70% Dividends = 176.4 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00001764 BTC

1% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 504 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 151.2 BTC
70% Dividends = 352.8 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00003528 BTC

5% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 2520 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 756 BTC
70% Dividends = 1764 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00017640 BTC

10% of the network hash rate
BTC/Round = 5040 BTC
30% Reinvestment = 1512 BTC
70% Dividends = 3528 BTC
Dividends/Round = 0.00035280 BTC



So.... If Labcoin hits 10% of their stated goal I am looking at almost exactly 2 year ROI on all the stock I buy right now.  Anywhere but bitcoinland those are astounding numbers.  If a 'real' company on the NYSE claimed it was going to do that no one would believe it.  If they did believe it would be absolute insanity with people falling over themselves to buy.  In a matter of hours the price would go up 10-fold.

People have got to stop expecting every company to be ASICMiner.  ASICMiner was a fluke, it will never happen again.  The ASIC boat has sailed and we can't expect insanely amazing profits from these companies.  We have have to settle for returns that are merely   really really good.

No. If you bought right now at a price of 0.003609 BTC per share and assume that Labcoin had 10% of the network hash rate, it would take 0.003609 / 0.00035280 = 10.23 rounds to recoup the cost of the share. With the length of each round being 10-14 days depending on how fast the network is growing, 10.23 rounds would be take between 102 and 143 days.

AM was not a fluke. There is nothing special about AM. They make ASICs to mine with and sell. I don't understand why you would think that nobody else could possibly do that.

Nobody else is going to have a huge first mover advantage on the introduction of ASICs.  There will never be another disruptive technology that will increase hashing speed in a giant leap like the introduction of ASICs.  That does not mean I don't think other companies can be profitable and a good investment, just that ASICMiner was first and got a huge amount of initial profits because of it.  When ASICMiner started hashing difficulty was ~15 million.  That means that if Labcoin started hashing today they would need 4 times the hash power that ASICMiner had just to achieve parity.  Seeing that they are using the same circuit density, I kind of doubt we will see that big of a performance bump, but I am no expert.  

I own a fair amount in Labcoin.  I expect them to be competitive and profitable. But I certainly don't expect them to pay back my initial investment in the first few weeks of mining.  I don't expect a 50-fold  increase in share price in he first 4 or 5 months.  Those are things ASICminer did.  It won't happen again, there is too much competition now.

I will admit my math was bad though.  I meant to say that even if Labcoin only gets 10% of their stated goal (1% of network) returns would still be great according to normal investment standards.  I said 2 year ROI in that scenario, but apparently it would be more like 4.  Still great.
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rally!
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Labcoins price is about to breakout above .004, the price took a dive to support, and rebounded strong, made a nice cup and handle formation and it looks like it's going to breakout again on the charts
As if these stock prices can be analyzed like any traditional stock on the traditional exchanges.

Yes TA can apply whether on pink sheets, bitcoins or traditional exchanges.  I know the argument goes that on "real" exchanges you see a bunch of traders trading the formations thus the TA tends to make self fulfilling prophecies and here we have noobs without those TA skills but consider the following:

The reason chart formations can be such a reliable indicator is that they also reflect investor sentiment charted through time. So consider a cup and handle formation. There were investors who bought and watched the price fall and then watched it climb back up feeling a surge of emotions along each of those points. Then along the handle part of the formation they see stability... "OK" they say, "well the water looks safe, I don't think the odds of losing my money are great now, let me put a little more money in." But you have a whole herd thinking that.

Die hard TA traders often seem to forget that those charts represent extreme emotions charted over time which is why formations repeat so often. They get lost in a sea of math and oscillators and indicators and formations and forget about the emotions and psychology that make the math. That psychology is why nearly every parabolic spike that pops has a bull trap dead cat bounce. It's the people trying to be the smart ones catching a falling knife and buying at "the bottom"  meeting the people that just watched all their equity evaporate in the blink of an eye to resume the downward pressure and then those smart guys join the longs in a run to the exits as they all panic an the price drops even farther. These formations don't need a bunch of people trading following TA to be repeatable as they occur again and again as psychology operates the same over and over.


Good explanation.
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August 30, 2013, 03:47:24 AM
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1 pic = 0.0003

More pics, please.
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August 30, 2013, 05:02:28 AM
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1 pic = 0.0003

More pics, please.
+1. It's trying to break 0.004 but keeps bouncing off a clump of resistance. A few pics should do it. Grin

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I still think we will hover around here till we start mining.. Might flirt with.004 a bit here and there
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