Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[jimmothy]

Fun Facts:

Number of butthurt people who wanted refunds from BFL for 1+ year delays: 10,000

Number of people who took legal action against BFL for the delays and won: 0

Number of those butthurt people who actually lost money (in terms of USD): 0

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/

One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies is now facing its first civil lawsuit in a United States federal court, with many more likely on the way.

 

How is this related? BFL literally stole this guys money. This has nothing to do with a delayed shipment.

And again if you want a refund contact BA directly through their site and they will likely be able to refund you (especially if you complain hard enough)

[SirWizz]

So, blackarrow has been online multiple times since I sent my PM (twice) and since I've posted here multiple times too. So much for better communication.

BA:
You guys said that you would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Because they lied? Please do not act surprised... I mean these guys are so shady that we don't even know who is running this so called enterprise. Makes me wonder what I was thinking when I ordered from them (serious lapse in judgement on my part obviously).

[david105396]

Please send me a PM and I'll do the best I can to help you. We are very sorry for the inconvenience and the long response times we have at the moment.

[TinkerTom]

Please send me a PM and I'll do the best I can to help you. We are very sorry for the inconvenience and the long response times we have at the moment.

Lol, seriously? When are you not sorry about the long response times? Why don't you just publicly answer the question?
And there's no way you're the new "press officer" cuz you've been on their forums for months now.

My interpretation of their original 'CNY won't impact our delivery date' was that they had never planned to work during CNY, but had capacity before and after to assemble the units and make their date. Obviously with everything else going out the window that did too. So it (according to my theory) isn't that they were originally going to work through CNY, but that they had originally accounted for it in their project plan.

But who knows, just a guess.

[david105396]

I'm not the new PR representative. I've been very busy the past while, but now I have finally found some extra time for the bitcointalk forum.

[RickJamesBTC]

Lol, quick, everyone change their signature file to read "Black Arrow Support" and you can all be black arrow people too!  Don't forget to give him your credit card ##

[david105396]

You can have Matt confirm who I am. Or look at the ecointalk forum if you would like to check.

[sticky]

I'm not the new PR representative. I've been very busy the past while, but now I have finally found some extra time for the bitcointalk forum.

Why even bother? You haven't answered a single question on the other forum, so why would you come over here?

"Looking into it", "I'll ask about that"," Update soon". Just stop. You're just making everyone more pissed with the bullshit "answers and updates".

If it's not pictures of product or official announcements that contain actual information, don't post!

[david105396]

It may not look that way to you but I actually do my very best to get to the bottom of things, and get as much information as possible. However like I have said before, not everything can be released and that is not up to me. If there are people having problems with orders, shipping and other tickets I can look into what is happening there and why it hasn't been resolved yet. 

[david105396]

Well I haven't had time to read the entire thread here, so forgive me if I'm wrong. Is your concern about the Chinese New Years or is it about something different?

[david105396]

Well TinkerTom mainly explained it. With the initial plans we had taken into account that everybody, or almost everybody, would be away. This was before the redesigning of the chips to achieve the better power efficiency. Because the redesign was not planned it did not fit into the schedule with the Chinese New Year. So the Chinese New Year wasn't supposed to affect us, but it did with the changes.

[david105396]

Not all of us are in Europe. I can't say who is and who isn't. But yes I am in Europe at the moment.

[jimmothy]

This is what happens when a company decides not to be public; people do their own digging. And whether or not some stuff is true or some stuff is false will fall on deaf ears because y'all chose to be as private and secretive as possible.

What made them lose your trust? Giving updates about delays? You ordered from a private company and because they had delays you want them to transform into a public company?

They have responded to nearly all of the questions (most retarded/unhelpful like yours) in this thread so I don't know how that makes them as secretive as possible.


I am almost starting to think this is just a PG alt account

[Starlightbreaker]

Remember Cablepair!!!

now he's namedropping.

lol.

[raskul]

this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD

'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'

stinks of fraud to me.

And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins.

Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ.

My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space...
Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads.

just saying.

[jimmothy]

this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD

'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'

stinks of fraud to me.

And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins.

Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ.

My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space...
Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads.

just saying.

You fudsters aren't even trying anymore are you?

[Slander]

Its become the same few guys having fun together in a room. What's the name for the? Oh ya, circle jerk.

[raskul]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

"Earlier TSMC indicated that the first five products to be made using 20nm fabrication process were designed for mobile computing, CPU and PLD [programmable logic device] industries."


best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery)  

[jimmothy]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery)  

You are so uninformed it is painful to read.

First of all, FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt, which is exactly what you and the other circle jerking fudsters are doing.

Second: I make my opinions based on facts. Black arrow has, in fact, produced and sold working bitcoin FPGAs and bitfury asics.

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

Fourth: Only one person made the speculation that they ditched 28nm for 20nm. How did you come to assume that all of us think this? It is ridiculous to imagine BA can just simply switch to 20nm from 28nm.

Fifth: Why are you bashing preorders now when you literally just said you and your family were considering them?

[terrapinflyer]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

best luck with your 'pre-order' 

Fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda.

FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.

Yea, seems like FUD to me. Without actual facts all you are doing is speculating. You are more than entitled to speculate but dont get so upset when someone disagrees with your OPINION. By coming to this thread and spouting accusations of fraud you are causing distractions and spreading more speculative rumors. PG has made a thread for that, please keep you FUD over there. PG has actually done some work to find facts, at this point he is the only one who has made an attempt to be an effective fear monger.