Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[mazedk]

This compensation plan can't work.
1. How are they going to have all these extra machines available and fulfill all the batch 1 and 2 orders.
2. If they do manage to ship all these extra machines they are going to flood the market with so much hashing power the difficulty will be so high the minimum you could mine with would be a tera hash machine making that as useless as a 300mhz usb miner.

have you ever thought how much hashing power KNC is going to bring to this party including its masive data center, this will dwarf BA hashing power.

+1 - tbh, the only way we'll ever make money on these orders.. is if btc raises to insane value again (which it will possibly do) but, that will be some time i think..

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[Stedsm]

What an awesome company!

Ya think....all for $10,000

http://www.coindesk.com/problems-plague-kncminer-broken-super-jupiters-arrive-doorsteps/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg6396417#msg6396417

[Dot99lr]

All extra units from us will be shipped free of charge, not sure on the PSUs yet.

Thanks bobsag3. That's good business, I'll buy all my mining equipment from u guys in the future.

[Gurban]

I appreciate it, but it still says that no account exists with my email address in the forgot password page. I'll also send an email.

Where to confirm an order to buy?

[bittymymitty]

I am anticipating the news on exactly single order X-1's will either receive or do to receive another x-1, according to the Blackarrow Forums on Ecointalk it seems like they are taking suggestions a bit and it isn't a set in stone compensation.

If a single X-1 get's another X-1, I expect my order of 10 X-1 to receive another 10 X-1 also.  The compensation must be fair for all orders.

[sorehammer]

I am anticipating the news on exactly single order X-1's will either receive or do to receive another x-1, according to the Blackarrow Forums on Ecointalk it seems like they are taking suggestions a bit and it isn't a set in stone compensation.

If a single X-1 get's another X-1, I expect my order of 10 X-1 to receive another 10 X-1 also.  The compensation must be fair for all orders.

And this is where it's not fair.

[bittymymitty]

I am anticipating the news on exactly single order X-1's will either receive or do to receive another x-1, according to the Blackarrow Forums on Ecointalk it seems like they are taking suggestions a bit and it isn't a set in stone compensation.

If a single X-1 get's another X-1, I expect my order of 10 X-1 to receive another 10 X-1 also.  The compensation must be fair for all orders.

And this is where it's not fair.

Why wouldn't that be fair?  If someone orders 1 and gets compensated with 1, someone that orders 10 of the exact same product should also be compensated with 10.  Ratios should match or else you deal with a bunch of issues, what happens if you order 3? Do you get compensated with 2?  What about 9? Do you get 5?  How about even numbers?  Huge can of worms if you do not compensate in equal proportions for all orders.

[sorehammer]

I ment it gets screwed up no longer is it 50% but higher to compensate for the person only buying one then some one else feels they are being screwed because they see they got less. I don't care I'm batch 2 and on the naughty list so get nothing

[tempestb]

Just make an X1.5 and have it hash 50% more.

[sorehammer]

Just make an X1.5 and have it hash 50% more.

That's the solution. So if a x1 is 100 and x3 2000 is a single x3 a x2 at 1000

[bittymymitty]

I am anticipating the news on exactly single order X-1's will either receive or do to receive another x-1, according to the Blackarrow Forums on Ecointalk it seems like they are taking suggestions a bit and it isn't a set in stone compensation.

If a single X-1 get's another X-1, I expect my order of 10 X-1 to receive another 10 X-1 also.  The compensation must be fair for all orders.

And this is where it's not fair.

Why wouldn't that be fair?  If someone orders 1 and gets compensated with 1, someone that orders 10 of the exact same product should also be compensated with 10.  Ratios should match or else you deal with a bunch of issues, what happens if you order 3? Do you get compensated with 2?  What about 9? Do you get 5?  How about even numbers?  Huge can of worms if you do not compensate in equal proportions for all orders.

Well that is an issue when they have stated 50%, probably should do 50% and round up to double on odd orders, since this was unexpected and a preorder no one had insider trader and ordered 10 seperate single orders. 10 will still get 5 free units while people who ordered one won't get left out with nothing. Seems pretty decently fair.

I would define fair as equivalent without favoring any order amount.  Seems under that scheme if you ordered an even number of units you don't get an equivalent compensation.  I would propose even numbered get additional compensation over odd, which can be in the form of free shipping or included psu.  There should also be a compensation option available that does not require any additional costs.  It's not compensation if customers need to pay more, this is just upselling.

[y_boonstra]

Or ppl with 1 X1 or an uneven number. already own 50% of an unit that they dont have.. why not giving them 50% discount one X1 + the 25% discount they get on future order so they only need to pay 25% for the unit.

[tempestb]

Maybe it'll be a coin toss...  Heads, you get a free miner.  Tails, no miner for you!

[Dot99lr]

From eurolove on ecointalk forum:

"Hello guyz

£36, 44€, 60$
for the X-1's PSU (inc. VAT&Ship. fee) from Logic Ethos Ltd.
https://shop.logicet...t&product_id=57

I have receveid this mail from Stuart -Logic Ethos Ltd.

"The comments for your order are:

Hi, as a batch 1 customer your entitled to 1 free X-1.  This is without Power Supplies, and can be purchased for £36.00 (inc VAT) with no additional shipping fee. They are now available in the shop, and will be shipped with your original order. Please order before Friday May 2nd.

If you already have a quality ATX PSU, then you can use this. We will send you a connector FOC upon request.  However, the connector will need soldering, and any damage caused by incorrect wiring, will not be covered.  Please contact me for further details.

Thanks,
Stuart."

No info about X-3 PSU."

[Mattster28]

Or ppl with 1 X1 or an uneven number. already own 50% of an unit that they dont have.. why not giving them 50% discount one X1 + the 25% discount they get on future order so they only need to pay 25% for the unit.

Why should customers with an X1 purchase have to pay MORE money in order to be compensated?

[terrapinflyer]

Im getting so confused about all this now. I just spoke to minersource and the suggested that I pick up one more x-1. That would make my order of 3 an even 4 so that I would receive 6 units total. Bringing my grand total to $1540 for 600gh/s (3 units at $373 and one more at the new batch 1 price of $421) This is exactly the problem that has been discussed here, that seems unfair that any customer would have to spend another $421 (or ~0.9457BTC) to be fully compensated. If I had only ordered 1 unit I would have been comped another unit but since I ordered 3 they round down? I would also like to say that I in no way blame Matt at minersource for this and that I am more looking for some clarification from BA about this situation. It seems crazy that anyone have to spend what I am assuming is going to be close to an extra $500 to be compensated when a week ago I was getting a package that didnt cost me an additional dime.

[bobsag3]

Still haven't received any official correspondence from BA concerning any of this. With the first compensation package they pretty much immediately issued a detailed message and updated invoice. For all I know so far, there is no official confirmation that any of this is real.

This is real.

[Dot99lr]

Bobsag3: maybe when you have everything settled with the compensation package, you should send out an email to your batch 1 customers so there is no confusion about what is going on. This might help settle some people down. Just a suggestion. Thanks again for all you're doing.

[Zillions]

I probably shouldn't speak for Bobsag3 but I believe he's just in the dark as the rest of us but he has the advantage/disadvantage of having to order in batches of 10 so he doesn't have to worry about weather he ordered in even or odd amounts.

[Unacceptable]

Maybe it'll be a coin toss...  Heads, you get a free miner.  Tails, no miner for you!

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