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September 16, 2018, 05:46:22 PM
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Is there a Problem with the Lottery?
Countdown is finished and no information on Twitter?

There does look to be some delay. I have alerted wetsuit but if that can't be rectified then we will do what we did the last time we had a technical failure on the lottery and refund all the tickets.

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September 16, 2018, 06:22:11 PM
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Is there a Problem with the Lottery?
Countdown is finished and no information on Twitter?

There does look to be some delay. I have alerted wetsuit but if that can't be rectified then we will do what we did the last time we had a technical failure on the lottery and refund all the tickets.

Yes, definitively something wrong with the lottery because countdown has ended and prizes still remain the same.
I didn't checked if tickets won after countdown has ended were added or not, hope they aren't lost between last week's ticket number that has ended and this week's ticket number that hasn't started yet.

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September 16, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
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At the moment tickets count for Lottery Round 172

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September 16, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
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At the moment tickets count for Lottery Round 172

Yea, count is all zeros at the moment, so it was not reset after the Lottery. http://prntscr.com/kv3mnn So, I think Wetsuit will

just credit you for the tickets you spend on the Lottery and you can just use that for the next round. I received my Lottery

ticket purchase amount back, the last time this happened.  Wink  This will mean the Lottery Jackpot will be much higher, if

everyone just use that refund to buy tickets again.  Grin

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September 16, 2018, 07:06:57 PM
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At the moment tickets count for Lottery Round 172

Yea, count is all zeros at the moment, so it was not reset after the Lottery. http://prntscr.com/kv3mnn So, I think Wetsuit will just credit you for the tickets you spend on the Lottery and you can just use that for the next round. I received my Lottery ticket purchase amount back, the last time this happened.  Wink  This will mean the Lottery Jackpot will be much higher, if everyone just use that refund to buy tickets again.  Grin

Do we get the money from the tickets if we got them through the hi-lo game?
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September 16, 2018, 09:19:34 PM
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Yes, just don't click the link in the confirmation email and it will automatically cancel after one hour.
I never have to click any confirmation email to complete a withdraw Huh
is it because I use the same address from auto withdraw for my slow withdraw?
then in my case I guess there is no way to cancel it?
btw, it goes from pending (on site) to unconfirmed (on chain) in less than an hour

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September 16, 2018, 10:07:18 PM
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Yes, just don't click the link in the confirmation email and it will automatically cancel after one hour.
I never have to click any confirmation email to complete a withdraw Huh
is it because I use the same address from auto withdraw for my slow withdraw?
then in my case I guess there is no way to cancel it?
btw, it goes from pending (on site) to unconfirmed (on chain) in less than an hour

No there isn't a way to cancel it. Their support told me that in 2015 anyway when I accidnetally withdrew my doge to the wrong address Sad.
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September 17, 2018, 01:39:14 AM
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No there isn't a way to cancel it. Their support told me that in 2015 anyway when I accidnetally withdrew my doge to the wrong address Sad.
thought so. oh well, I'll just have to send it back to my deposit address Cool

Yea, count is all zeros at the moment, so it was not reset after the Lottery. http://prntscr.com/kv3mnn So, I think Wetsuit will
my total lottery ticket number was just resetted about an hour ago,
so it seems he (or the system) sets cut off time at 11:59:59 pm UTC time
was it intentionally changed and forgot to adjust the clock timer or just a glitch in the system?

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September 17, 2018, 05:53:56 AM
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No there isn't a way to cancel it. Their support told me that in 2015 anyway when I accidnetally withdrew my doge to the wrong address Sad.
thought so. oh well, I'll just have to send it back to my deposit address Cool

Doge works slightly different. On Freebitco.in you can just not acknowledge the email and it will cancel.


Yea, count is all zeros at the moment, so it was not reset after the Lottery. http://prntscr.com/kv3mnn So, I think Wetsuit will
my total lottery ticket number was just resetted about an hour ago,
so it seems he (or the system) sets cut off time at 11:59:59 pm UTC time
was it intentionally changed and forgot to adjust the clock timer or just a glitch in the system?

It was a technical glitch and it just didn't trigger for some reason and needed to be done manually. It just means the last round was a little longer than usual.

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September 17, 2018, 06:23:43 AM
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Onto the topic, I think yes it would be good to see the house edge a bit lower and people would be more interested, if you can get everything with just a 3% edge then that's even better than the 5%.

That's 40% reduction in income. That would mean a 40% reduction in spending. That would mean we were just like all the other sites.


But when your chef quits you have to change the way you run things to keep up your reputation Grin.
I apologise for touching some sort of soft spot here but clearly, reducing the house edge to 3% would make it a greater site to play on and also mean you'd giveaway more lottery tickets, meaning, if people buy them, you go in profit if they try and get the same percentage each round or something.

He hasn't quit, he's taken on extra help as his business model works so well it is now too much work for him alone.

Nope, you will not be like all the other sites, you will be in a better position to be competitive with them. A 1% reduction will already place you in a better position to compete with other gambling sites. When you changed the business model from a faucet site to a gambling site, you effectively changed the original concept and the original goal for this site.

When you were mostly a faucet, you had to subsidize the faucet payouts with the gambling income, but now you are re-defining yourself as a gambling site and that changes your target market. Gamblers wants a low house edge and a fun experience. <Do you think the Multiplier is a fun experience?>  Roll Eyes

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September 17, 2018, 06:33:03 AM
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Nope, you will not be like all the other sites, you will be in a better position to be competitive with them. A 1% reduction will already place you in a better position to compete with other gambling sites. When you changed the business model from a faucet site to a gambling site, you effectively changed the original concept and the original goal for this site.

When you were mostly a faucet, you had to subsidize the faucet payouts with the gambling income, but now you are re-defining yourself as a gambling site and that changes your target market. Gamblers wants a low house edge and a fun experience. <Do you think the Multiplier is a fun experience?>  Roll Eyes

The house edge was changed to its current level within 2 weeks of the launch of the site. The volume of business we do compared to the other sites is a good indication that gamblers are happy with it.
Reducing it by 1% would give us a 20% reduction in income and we would have to decrease rewards and benefits by 20% to pay for it. That's not a change I am in favour of. It is working great as it is and I'm not looking for ways to break it.

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September 17, 2018, 06:58:56 AM
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Yes, I know that and thank you very much
but in the end they will stop playing because they lose
or if they win they will stop also to defend their victory, because if they continue to play in the end they will lose also by the house edge because gambling is about probability as you explained before

so honestly I prefer new referrals continuously, because as far as my experience new referrals make a much larger contribution and slowly decline until they finally stop.

Not all of them. Some gamble regularly for years on end.

what do you mean by "having a second person"?

Me  Cheesy

I taking a much more active role so that wetsuit has more time for strategy and development.

yes, of course not all of them but I think very few can last for years

oh you, haha
I think of a special agent who deals with "botnetation" Cheesy

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a few days ago I tried to find out about how botnets work through captcha solver
I think it's almost impossible for them to make a profit from free rolls if they can't use the lottery they get from free rolls, unless they get a special discount.
because the cheapest price that I found showed almost the same price as the free rolls game provided (1 USD per 500 captcha)
but I don't know if there is a captcha solver that offers a cheaper price
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September 17, 2018, 07:04:25 AM
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a few days ago I tried to find out about how botnets work through captcha solver
I think it's almost impossible for them to make a profit from free rolls if they can't use the lottery they get from free rolls, unless they get a special discount.
because the cheapest price that I found showed almost the same price as the free rolls game provided (1 USD per 500 captcha)
but I don't know if there is a captcha solver that offers a cheaper price

There is one provider that gives a 50% discount on that price if the solve matches our domain name. Those are just retail prices and bulk discounts are available. I also know someone that has his own captcha solving server which is free (other than hosting costs). I'm sure many others do as well. It is real problem that there isn't an effective captcha on the market and Google don't address the design flaws in theirs.

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a few days ago I tried to find out about how botnets work through captcha solver
I think it's almost impossible for them to make a profit from free rolls if they can't use the lottery they get from free rolls, unless they get a special discount.
because the cheapest price that I found showed almost the same price as the free rolls game provided (1 USD per 500 captcha)
but I don't know if there is a captcha solver that offers a cheaper price

There is one provider that gives a 50% discount on that price if the solve matches our domain name. Those are just retail prices and bulk discounts are available. I also know someone that has his own captcha solving server which is free (other than hosting costs). I'm sure many others do as well. It is real problem that there isn't an effective captcha on the market and Google don't address the design flaws in theirs.

Oh, I see

Is it possible for Wetsuit to create his own captcha server like Google does ?
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September 17, 2018, 08:48:19 AM
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And again users with small amounts of tickets have won some good prizes in the last lottery round.



Cases like this encourage me to buy 500-1,000 tickets every round because on one hand 1k sats ($0.06) is certainly an amount I can afford to lose in one week, and, on the other hand, there is a possibility to win over $2k, and sometimes the main prize is over $16k, like in the lottery round 168 when it was 2.62126442 BTC.

I think those suggesting to lower the house edge have to realize that the amount of free lottery tickets given would lower as well which consequently would lower the prizes in the lottery rounds and thus the whole lottery would become less attractive.

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September 17, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
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Oh, I see

Is it possible for Wetsuit to create his own captcha server like Google does ?


That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).
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September 17, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
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That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).

The real problem is there really isn't anything a human can do online that you can't program a computer to do.

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September 17, 2018, 09:49:01 AM
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are actually designed purely to maximise the referral commision by trying to roll over the same coin as many times as possible.

For once you got something correct.  By doing this it allows the person TIME to decide when to get out BEFORE they LOSE EVERYTHING.  That's the key point that you ALWAYS leave out because you dont WANT people getting out before they lose it all.  Why would you,  that would cause the casino to LOSE lol.  Therefore you ALWAYS argue the point that it's the bot that is evil......... Why?  Because it gives users the BEST CHANCE to get out before they lose everything and you cant have that because it's BAD FOR BUSINESS.  Let us not forget that this shithouse has spent the last 3 or whatever years COMBATING BOTS because they are causing the casino revenue.  They are not combatting normal users............... Why?  Because humans are easily manipulated into doing things they shouldnt.  Bots cannot be manipulated AT ALL and will do exactly what you tell them to do regardless of emotions (which is what casinos bank on,  they bank on human emotions).  Cutting out the emotions gives a bot user a significant advantage over ANY casino.  I dont care if it's a dice game or poker.  A bot will ALWAYS outperform a human's emotions.  Bot's dont get emotional.  They just get the job done.  

For example,  if you compare a bot's winnings vs a humans winnings in an 8hr period,  you'll quickly notice a triangle pattern forms for the bot while a human's pattern looks more like a mountain range.  One is predictable,  the other is not because bot's dont have emotion that will change the pattern.

We can visualize this and give it an analogy.  Let's say we want to go sight seeing over the city and there are 2 paths to take to reach the required height to see the city lights at night.

One is a straight slow gradual road that goes straight up,  it has a nice 4 lane highway of people going up and down,  there are well maintained pull outs with gorgeous views of the sunset,  etc,  BUT at the end is a MASSIVE cliff that drops off to city level (that is 0 for the player and they lose everything),  it is marked with danger signs everywhere all the way up stating that there are no rails and that you have to view the city at great peril of your own,  if you drive over the cliff or fall off,  it's your fault because there were plenty of warning signs ahead of time.

The other is a windy mountain road thats full of exciting animals that could push the car off the road at any moment,  there are bridges that are washed out that could cause the car to plummet to it's death,  etc.  It's an exciting ride,  but one thats very likely to end abruptly and quickly with one's death (or more correctly,  with losing all your deposits).

Which path you take will probably depend upon what type of person you are OR where you are in life.  If you have a family and kids,  you're probably going to opt for the safer route (the straight highway with plenty of scenic views).  If you are straight out of college and have no care in the world with tons of mom's money to blow,  you're probably going to take the exciting route.

Trying to steer people away from the safer route is utterly disgusting imo.  If bots truly make people LOSE,  you'd be all over them touting them like they were the 2nd coming of Jesus.  Why?  Because it would make the casino MORE money thats why.  But that ISNT the case and that's why you are so against bots.  Period.  It's just that simple and it can be proven as such by the well documented history of wetsuit combating bots during the ENTIRE LIFETIME of the site,  not just he last few months where he's been combating multi-account bots.  I'm talking about when the house edge wasnt at #RETARDED level.  Back when it was ZERO.  He got his ass HANDED TO HIM.... Not by humans............. But by BOTS.  How soon we forget that time eh?  Just because the house edge changes DOES NOT CHANGE THE HOW A BOT FUNCTIONS,  nor does it change it's effectiveness vs human emotions.  It simply means that you cant win as much as you could before,  thats all that raising the house edge did/does.  It does nothing else to combat the root of the problem which is bots do not have emotions that the casino can exploit.

BTW,  I'd like to point out that the current "30K Contest" has the EXACT same goal as a bot.  You're trying to incentivize people to gamble over the same coin over and over and over in an attempt to make them lose more than they would normally and you're asking them to do it without any "bot use".  In other words,  wetsuit wants people to donate to him for free.  The contest's goal is absolutely no different than a bot's goal.  They both result in the exact same thing,  people rolling over the same BTC over and over and over.  The one KEY DIFFERENCE is that this shit contest doesnt tell you when you should probably stop.  A BOT WILL.  Or at least mine does anyway.  Maybe other bots dont,  but mine sure as fuck does and I guess you dont like that.

You are just as much of a snake oil salesman as anyone other lying mofo.  The fact that you try to cover that up is utterly DISGUSTING.  I make no bones about what I am here for,  I tell people right up front that its RETARDED to use freebitco AT ALL.  But if I cant stop them from trying,  I might as well make something off them at the same time and give them tools for their troubles that will give them the best chance of not getting raped by wetsuit.  The casio gives them NOTHING for their efforts.  At least I give them a fighting chance by providing them an excellent tool.  The built in "auto roller" thing on the site is an utter joke compared to a REAL bot.  It's only purpose is to automate their losing.  It has no real "stop" functionality that is effective.  It actually has only 2 stop functions.  My bot has no less than 10 different ways to assess when to stop.  The most EFFECTIVE method that most people use is called a "Trailing Stoploss".  If you're familiar with trading,  you'll know that a trailing stoploss is one EFFECTIVE WAY to GUARANTEE that the current win will ALWAYS BE A WIN and it allows for that win to grow without worry of losing.  Does the site have something like that?  Asbol-fucking-lutely NOT.  But does my bot have it?  You can bet your ass it does.  And that's not the only method it has to help stopping either.  There are other more complex and just as effective methods as well.

So yes I CAN guarantee that it can be configured to always win once it detects you've won something of significance (of significance is determined by the user).  I dont guarantee that it'll win EVERY time but it's better than what wetsuit offers thats for damn sure.  And you can set the stop losses to whatever risk you want rather than having wetsuit dictate what those risks are.

I agree with you and experienced, it is well manipulated, 99% of the time it is provably fair, however there is 1% left for unexplained strange behaviours. Seeing this forum for so long and up until now i have to register an account to reply to this thread. So what I've experienced as well as other may or may not discovered:
- Just playing and win some decent amount like 10k-50k satoshi (from begining of 5k-10k satoshi).
- After a big win, there will be strange thing happen, below is common in all cases I have experienced:

1. The numbers spinning start to act, it take ages to return result with 100% a LOSE, following by series of loses that eat up the whole account balance, regardless of odds (I've done via HAND-MANUAL BETTING, low increase on lose 1.15 -> 1.20, low odds 1.75 -> 2.35 (precalculated in excel to be able to take upto 25-45 bets and manual input during the play), so don't blame me for use of auto bet and it is too fast so that the server cannot response and the bet is forfeited).
2. If you try to ping the site itself or the amazon's seed server itself at that time, the ping return is still very good (i had around 50ms during the time for both sites).
3. After this BIG loss, try to HAND-MANUAL BETTING again, every is back to normal.
4. If you did take note of the result by handwriting somewhere + look around the bet result table to compare, most of them are not there.

Sorry if I am negative but this is what I've experienced, and the siteowner / supervisor / team mebers may need to correct me or explain why did this happened?
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September 17, 2018, 09:53:52 AM
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Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

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September 17, 2018, 10:07:02 AM
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Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

You may check for yourself where I am vs other guy originating based on IPs or whatever methods to track, the forum mods/admin can do this to help you out. I just give my thought and wrote what I've experienced, let see if more people reading this thread and if they experienced the same thing. Second, you can call me whatever, I orginating asked for explaination of that strange thing on why it may/can happen such as server overload / losing communitation between playing server + amazon seed server, etc...

But how was the response, lol. Good luck.
Anyway, I like to gamble, as many other do, still deposit to freebitco.in to gamble if there is spare coin lol.
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