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[TheQuin]

You may check for yourself where I am vs other guy originating based on IPs or whatever methods to track

I can't and the forum would not make that information available as they respect peoples privacy. It just seems a remarkable coincidence that someone would turn up and quote the imbecile troll's diarrhoea when everyone else has got bored of him.

As to our game, it is provably fair and that means you can prove to yourself that you are not being cheated. I suggest you do some research into that. It sounds like you have experienced a connection issue. That in no way affects the result of any bet as the result is purely determined by the seeds.

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[Gary.Wilson_Jr.]

That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).

The real problem is there really isn't anything a human can do online that you can't program a computer to do.

@Jackg
I mean we don't have to use very many images

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@TheQuin
I have a small idea like the one below but I don't know whether this can be applied or not

we can combine simple image and math
for example like this
we can ask the users who will claim the free rolls game to enter the results of the math operation from the last 1 digit of their balance according to the instructions in the captcha

example 1
instructions in captcha: "your last digit + 2"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "4"

example 2
instructions in captcha: "your last digit * four"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "8"

but someone who has a balance with the last digit "0" if he gets a mathematical operation "*" then the result will always be "0"
so maybe we should only use "+" and "-" in the captcha

with the last digit of the user balance I think it will make "a little" sure that the person who completes the captcha is the owner of the account (a bit similar to the checksum)

of course it won't last forever
they will definitely look for new ways to integrate
so we have to change the method in a certain period, for example 1 or 2 months
this will be a little like how Monero is fighting the ASIC device

but again I don't know if this is possible or not

[TheQuin]

@TheQuin
I have a small idea like the one below but I don't know whether this can be applied or not

we can combine simple image and math
for example like this
we can ask the users who will claim the free rolls game to enter the results of the math operation from the last 1 digit of their balance according to the instructions in the captcha

example 1
instructions in captcha: "your last digit + 2"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "4"

example 2
instructions in captcha: "your last digit * four"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "8"

but someone who has a balance with the last digit "0" if he gets a mathematical operation "*" then the result will always be "0"
so maybe we should only use "+" and "-" in the captcha

with the last digit of the user balance I think it will make "a little" sure that the person who completes the captcha is the owner of the account (a bit similar to the checksum)

of course it won't last forever
they will definitely look for new ways to integrate
so we have to change the method in a certain period, for example 1 or 2 months
this will be a little like how Monero is fighting the ASIC device

but again I don't know if this is possible or not

From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

[Dav7]

Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

Don't worry we all get that to

[Gary.Wilson_Jr.]

From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?

[TheQuin]

From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?

No, but it would be trivial to automate. When we've made other changes to the captcha implementation it only takes a few hours for them to notice and recode.

[Warfare]

LOTTERY ROUND 172
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 214 tickets.
#1 won 0.40743557 BTC with 722 tickets.

[broke_tradah]

. There a few big referral whales that have brought in a huge income to us over the years and they continue to advertise and pull in new customers.

You do realize that's a complete and utter lie that we can all see through now that there is a retarded contest for referral accounts.  There is ONE referral ID in the top 10 contest every month that is a "legit" referrer and it's from an Android developer whos app uses his referral ID for anyone who installs it.  I'm pretty sure it's also wetsuit's own account or a friend of his since the git repo history in some of the queue items specifically mentions fixing bugs within the site itself (and not the app).  It's clearly someone associated with wetsuit if it's not him.  All 9 other referrals in EVERY month so far have been multi-accounts for the top 10 wagerers.

If the site DID have "Referral whales" that "Still advertise" and bring in large amounts of revenue (other than the known one I already mentioned that really shouldnt be counted as a "referrer" considering their obvious closeness with Wetsuit),  they would be showing up in the contest at the end and they are not,  therefore they are not providing the site with any real revenue.  If they did,  they would be showing up.  There is no point in having someone who refers 50,000 users who all gamble 1 sat or less each.  That's not the type of referral that the site is obviously seeking (as evidenced by this new "contest").  So trying to say that there are "referral whales" is just an outright fucking lie and the STATS of your OWN CONTEST prove it.

Here is an example of a "whale" btw,  Trevon James.  He use to bring in well over 150BTC in referral wagering until he dropped the site (as evidenced by his own videos when he showed the referral page,  he also has a video explaining why he ditched wetsuit also,  some sort of disagreement they had,  idk,  I didnt watch the whole thing but that was the jist of it from what I could gather).  And along with him went his other youtube scamming bed buddies who had similar numbers.  They dropped the site back in Dec 2017 and NONE of them have returned and thus the site is now trying to replace them by using this contest as a carrot.  Losing the site's largest referrers and then a few months later a contest designed to improve referrals is absolutely no coincidence.

The only real "referrers" left are MYSELF and the Android guy (and yes my ID still shows in the top 10 at the beginning of the month usually for the first 2 weeks and I can tell you,  it's not that many referrals either so it doesnt take a lot to show up).  Other than my ID and the Android guy's ID,  there are no other referrers that do any kind of "advertising" I've witnessed other than myself and the android guy.  The best time to find them is the 1st couple weeks.  I've been looking and there just arent any.  I mentioned this during the 1st contest and the argument still holds true today.

It's very easy to find these "whales" that you speak of btw.  If they are such big advertisers,  you'll be able to find them with simple google searches.  Both my ID and the Android guy's ID show up.  But if you check the other ID's,  you'll find a ghost town.  Not a single result.  I did see a korean ID once,  but my korean isnt up to par and the google translation didnt make any sense,  so IDK what they were up to.  Their ID only had 0.94 referral wager total anyway at the time (which was in position 4 when I was researching).  Well below the top 3 which was myself,  mr android,  and a multi-account from one of the top wagerers.  I am constantly looking up referral ID's because I want to see what the competition is doing.  So far THERE IS NO COMPETITION.  lol.  Once these clowns that keep wagering their ass off go away either because they lost their ass or wetsuit wakes up and stops the multi-accounting,  the organic "referrer whales" will float to the top and maybe,  just maybe,  so new "referral whales" will come along.  Until then.... never.  So that could be a while since there is a never ending stream of complete morons out there who think the wagering contest is "worth it" and wetsuit is rolling in it with no need to support referrers atm.  lol.

This place is such a shitshow,  so easy to see right through their BS if you just open your eyes.

[Gary.Wilson_Jr.]

From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?

No, but it would be trivial to automate. When we've made other changes to the captcha implementation it only takes a few hours for them to notice and recode.

I just think that maybe those who use captcha solver services will not be as easy as now because the user balance is added as a checksum

a few days ago I tried on sites that use captcha that are supported and it is very easy, we just enter some kind of token code from captcha solver as an API and captcha is finished quite quickly

so if you add a user balance as a checksum I think it will be difficult for captcha solver services because they have to make adjustments to captcha workers as well.
I think it will be complicated for them because they have to make a new type of captcha service.

[TheQuin]

I think it will be complicated for them because they have to make a new type of captcha service.

It will be a lot easier to program a bot read the balance and calculate the checksum than it would for a human to do so. It's as complicated as adding half a dozen lines of code.

[bitcoin moon]

Its a very low amount it is better if you increase it a little bit.

[panjul07]

Its a very low amount it is better if you increase it a little bit.

Dont expect too much from a free faucet, you are lucky enough freebitcoin still give you chance to earn free satoshi every hour up to $200. You also has a chance to win something bigger for free as well through the lottery. So take the opportunity while you cant find it in other places.

[slaman29]

LOTTERY ROUND 172
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 214 tickets.
#1 won 0.40743557 BTC with 722 tickets.

Urgh, I know. This keeps making me feel tempted to go ahead and buy 3000 tickets with my remaining rewards points, stored up since forever. I mean, if a guy can win it with 2 tickets several rounds ago and we keep seeing below 1000 tickets winning the big prizes, I stand a chance right?

But every time I visit the lottery page and see my chance of winning, and I try to multiply by 3000 or so, it's not even 0.1%, so I change my mind haha.

Goes back to grinding rewards points.

[jackg]

LOTTERY ROUND 172
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 214 tickets.
#1 won 0.40743557 BTC with 722 tickets.

Urgh, I know. This keeps making me feel tempted to go ahead and buy 3000 tickets with my remaining rewards points, stored up since forever. I mean, if a guy can win it with 2 tickets several rounds ago and we keep seeing below 1000 tickets winning the big prizes, I stand a chance right?

But every time I visit the lottery page and see my chance of winning, and I try to multiply by 3000 or so, it's not even 0.1%, so I change my mind haha.

Goes back to grinding rewards points.

I have ~2000 tickets this round...
That's 0.016% win chance.
You'd have to spend about 3mbtc in order to get to 1% by the end of each round...

[Gary.Wilson_Jr.]

I think it will be complicated for them because they have to make a new type of captcha service.

It will be a lot easier to program a bot read the balance and calculate the checksum than it would for a human to do so. It's as complicated as adding half a dozen lines of code.

Yes, it is true.
therefore we still have to add captcha images to create uniqueness
the function of the last digit of the balance is just to make sure that someone who completes the captcha can see the balance of his account
because what happens now is that botnets send captcha that has the same type as captcha used by millions of other sites

the difficulty I mean is for captcha solver companies, which provide captcha workers.
if you accept my suggestion there will be 2 possibilities

# 1. if the captcha coming from freebitco.in is not big enough for their income, they will not adjust to that change and the botnets that depend on them will no longer automate free rolls game.
that way, number of botnets that exploit free rolls game will decrease
the rest are only botnets who have their own captcha workers and for this type of botnets it is certainly 100% of their income from freebitco.in if they only target freebitco.in and this one cannot be kicked using this method*)

# 2. but if the captcha coming from freebitco.in is big enough for their income, then they will adjust the change and make a special captcha for freebitco.in*)

*if this happens then to fight them we must make changes continuously until we find good innovations to fight botnets

[TheQuin]

*if this happens then to fight them we must make changes continuously until we find good innovations to fight botnets

There are design flaws in the way reCAPTCHA works IMO. Unfortunately, only Google can address that and even if they did it would only make life a little more difficult for the bots. If a human can solve it then a bot can be programmed to solve it.

[Gary.Wilson_Jr.]

There are design flaws in the way reCAPTCHA works IMO. Unfortunately, only Google can address that and even if they did it would only make life a little more difficult for the bots.

I mean not about recaptcha
I propose making a new type of captcha with a special design for freebitco.in
I am sure wetsuit can make it, it's just about he has time or not

If a human can solve it then a bot can be programmed to solve it.

in this era I think there are still significant differences between bot and human
therefore I am very optimistic if there are ways to stop botnets that exploit free rolls

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may I know, how much is the average BTC paid by Freebitco.in to pay for free rolls game in 1 week ?

[STT]

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting,

I disagree with your disagreement.

lol

Sounds alot like an inverse curve setup where revenue is presumed to rise from a removal of any restriction to its free flow.    That might well apply in a wider economy with no bias but also I think its easily possible it does not apply in this case.  They say they have tested both scenarios,  its a reasonable idea but I dont think its automatically the case they would receive higher player numbers as you suggest, the reason being the source of customers is not clear cut in this case.    The source may not be effected by this fee in the way anticipated and its the case the site is based around the free draw more then expected.  

There are design flaws in the way reCAPTCHA works IMO. Unfortunately, only Google can address that and even if they did it would only make life a little more difficult for the bots. If a human can solve it then a bot can be programmed to solve it.

They say AI is advancing greatly but I'm not convinced, most bots will still be bound to automated scripts and google should be able to avoid that.    I think they also want to avoid inconvenience as its a standardised system

[slaman29]

LOTTERY ROUND 172
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 214 tickets.
#1 won 0.40743557 BTC with 722 tickets.

Urgh, I know. This keeps making me feel tempted to go ahead and buy 3000 tickets with my remaining rewards points, stored up since forever. I mean, if a guy can win it with 2 tickets several rounds ago and we keep seeing below 1000 tickets winning the big prizes, I stand a chance right?

But every time I visit the lottery page and see my chance of winning, and I try to multiply by 3000 or so, it's not even 0.1%, so I change my mind haha.

Goes back to grinding rewards points.

I have ~2000 tickets this round...
That's 0.016% win chance.
You'd have to spend about 3mbtc in order to get to 1% by the end of each round...

I'm thinking to just grind a lot and then at least get 10k tix from all my rewards, and then by then use my balance to just play dice multiplier and limit losses, just to get free tickets. I already have quite a bit lost from that when I was impatient months ago and busting so now trying to stick to grinding. Meanwhile who knows, I hit with double digit ticks. Just a way to pass the time on mobile to be honest. Don't lose anything and don't expect anything and my life is less stressful!

[TheQuin]

They say AI is advancing greatly but I'm not convinced, most bots will still be bound to automated scripts and google should be able to avoid that.    I think they also want to avoid inconvenience as its a standardised system

I'm not convinced that anything as sophisticated as AI is required for reCAPTCHA, I've been told they break it with good old fashioned brute force. Even with that being the case it is still the best captcha available at the moment.