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Author Topic: [ANN][Datacoin] Datacoin blockchain start announcement (Minor code upd + logo)  (Read 159237 times)
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December 16, 2013, 04:30:40 PM
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People having trouble with updating their wallet, download this .rar en copy the files over yours.

https://mega.co.nz/#!hgpCFSTB!NQyzxRsVAoSHLFWyWcCnWzJTproZyEK5tuxXOkhi9c0
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Not really.. Just wanted to help people out with unsync'ed wallets ;O.
But I understand your suspiciousness.
But please, don't call people 'hackers' or whatever until proven.

Greetings Robin.

No one called you 'hacker', sorry for that. But it could be better to release just datacoin.conf with simple .bat file to store it in correct place and restart datacoin wallet.

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December 16, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
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I think the Datacoin blockchain may provide an opportunity for tangible 'proof of discovery'. For instance, one places an encrypted copy of intellectual property in the Datacoin chain directly after discovery (well before patent application). Then, you link to the block(s) in your patent application and provide the password for the encrypted data only if the patent application is disputed by another claimant.

Counterpoints?

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December 16, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
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I think the Datacoin blockchain may provide an opportunity for tangible 'proof of discovery'. For instance, one places an encrypted copy of intellectual property in the Datacoin chain directly after discovery (well before patent application). Then, you link to the block(s) in your patent application and provide the password for the encrypted data only if the patent application is disputed by another claimant.

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this idea was offered in very first brainstorming thread by MessyCoin. and yes, it really has sense.

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December 16, 2013, 08:18:36 PM
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I still cant post in most of the forum and i have like 6 posts...I cant even reply to posts i see...
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December 16, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
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I still cant post in most of the forum and i have like 6 posts...I cant even reply to posts i see...
lolwut
give me 5 more minutes to check - it's really mess

edited: could you please check now?

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December 16, 2013, 08:33:57 PM
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I still cant post in most of the forum and i have like 6 posts...I cant even reply to posts i see...
lolwut
give me 5 more minutes to check - it's really mess

edited: could you please check now?


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December 16, 2013, 11:21:34 PM
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I think the Datacoin blockchain may provide an opportunity for tangible 'proof of discovery'. For instance, one places an encrypted copy of intellectual property in the Datacoin chain directly after discovery (well before patent application). Then, you link to the block(s) in your patent application and provide the password for the encrypted data only if the patent application is disputed by another claimant.

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This only works if you submitted it before your opponents claimed to have invented it.
Just give it up, datacoin is dead as disco, incase you missed it
I think that datacoin needs to take a look at more successful anonymous p2p data services like perfect dark and share and take a second look at encryption, here is why. Lets say for the sake of argument no matter what data host you use there will be illegal content on it somewhere, snuff videos, cp, you name it. Regardless of this fact most services and networks can exist due to either of 1 of 3 reasons. The first is that someone can moderate and remove things, hence with datacoin we can't have that lest we invite other problems. The second is that not everyone knows what data they are downloading, allowing for plausible deniability as to the fact that someone may or may not possess illegal material and would not know if they did unless they were specifically looking for it. Furthermore the data is spread out, by that I mean the data is distributed to allow for redundancy and retrieval when needed and you might have parts of what you wanted without even knowing it. The third is that the data is hosted by person x and can be shared with person y via a torrent or magnet link or some other decentralized fashion. As it stands I doubt many of you know of perfect dark or share or else you would of first been demanding encryption and compression on all data which is why NO serious POOL will ever pick this coin up because it could be illegal based on country x's laws due to data y's contents. If someone wanted to be clever and develop a torrent hybrid of the client qt with bittorrent integration then we could move data around in encrypted chunks and reward people based on how much data they hold (you could set a max GB in the client) and how much they seed, much like in perfect dark and share where the more you host and seed the quicker you get your downloads and the higher priority you would be in queues, except for datacoin this could be done via proof of stake on data and transactions in order to secure that you are a reliable node. Encryption should be the first concern as unencrypted data is a cardinal sin, that and combined with mandatory user downloads of all data essentially explains why datacoin hasn't been able to overtake Primecoin when in theory this should be the most useful coin around. Either way you need to pick a plan, torrent hosting, dispersed data chunks, encrypted data archiving service, all in all you just need to have a plan because as it stands nobody is going to want to know that one day they will be forced to download CP and they can do nothing about it other than sell their coins and say fuck this.
Please note I REALLY want datacoin to succeed, I have a couple of them myself but I don't want it to be from hype and pumping, I want it to be from this coin proving that cryptocurrencies aren't for dipshits and retards looking for a quick buck.

Got you point. Thank you for great analysis! I saw this idea several times past  last days, so I think that it really will help Datacoin. But please understand us: there is still much work around (at least pools and improved wallet, plus 'big file' functionality). As soon as we finish with it, it will be possible to implement something like you say. Datacoin will grow, it is attending developers, so many of community's wishes will be implemented. As I see, this 'issue' is #1 (except pools and wallets)
Thanks for the responce but that isn't very specific regarding the details, thats more of a press release type statement that companies give out when they have nothing better to say and can't afford to ignore one of the few people actually paying attention.
edited: but anyway - remember: it's possible to add illegal content even in Bitcoin blockchain.
Yes it is, but then again bitcoin wasn't founded on the idea of hosting data in the blockchain nor did it name itself after this idea. Hence I would hope that oh IDK something called Datacoin would have a better idea about how to handle data hosting than to simply say "well shit man, I guess the blockchain is as good as it gets". You know what isn't anonymous about datacoin, the fact that everyone who uses it is equally guilty through literal guilt by association you could be tried and arrested for supporting datacoin due to the way that it has structured itself which is why no pool is going to touch this potentially amazing coin due to a complete disconnect between the developer and the software he is playing with.
All in all, if you want to store data and download things anonymously go use perfect dark (nodes) it is like datacoin but free and without a filesize cap.
Welcome to 2006 guys
Why would someone waste alot of BTC for fun?
It costs alot to host these files.
And why will someone get arrested for someone others files?
Regardless of how you procure files the legality of them is dependent on the content not the content holder or means of procurement.
Which is why holding illegal files is like holding illegal drugs, it doesn't matter if you are holding them for a friend, they are still illegal and still in your possession.
Also why did you say waste a lot of BTC?
Furthermore that's the problem, it costs so much that the normal person won't have a reason to use this and if it was cheap then the blockchain would be bloated do you get the problem here? Or am I being too vague for you?
And that's maybe the reason? Because it is low risk, maybe some feature about size will get implemented in the future to be sure.
Ok so let me be clear about this, first off the current state of the coin is absolutely useless to anyone who wants to anonymously store data for use in any reasonable fashion. As I said there are already much better WORKING alternatives that don't require stupid workarounds and procedures due to the fact that the developer actually gave a damn about the end user. Storage should be decentralized which is not the same thing as giving everyone ALL the files because nobody will be able to use this in the future if the filesize is so high. The idea of paying for data is cool but the implementation is a waste, essentially you have this as a problem. You are using a deflatory currency to run a data hosting service, which is supposed to increase in usage over time. Now in the future when mining it will be very hard to get datacoins except for if you mined them early on and thus if the system for paying for hosting is exorbitantly expensive and relatively limited then why even try, I mean what if datacoins go up to being $5 a coin? Are you gonna pay $250 to store a megabyte? No because that's stupid. Furthermore as time goes on the only people who will be able to store data will be large miners who can get their money back for free by mining the next block that they put in thus making the datastorage almost free for large pools/miners, in fact you could essentially get together as a group and just agree to always keep the mining fees for data purposes thus negating the data fee which further points out how flawed the system is. Why would I pay money to give everyone a few tiny files when I could just buy a vpn and a seedbox or use perfect dark or share or god forbid emule.
I really wish the developer would actually talk that way I could gauge just how aware of these problems he is.
From what i understand the fee is not fixed and can change without a hard fork.

Now i get your point but i believe that datacoin is not only a place to anonymously store data but also distribute it super fast to many many people. Most times even if you store something somewhere those who dont want it can by force make it not accessible but when something will be on datacoin blockchain will automatically be on thousand computers without actually needing to find it and download it.

So thats how i get it. Its more about spreading the data faster...
Again look at perfect dark and share, it works like this.
There is Bob and he is running Share<--official website
Share constantly has me downloading and uploading pieces of encrypted files to people who I connect with and pass files onto and they do the same.
If I want to download a file I can go to one of several sites where people post the keys for files or use the in client search to query by keyword, tag or filename. I query my peers and they respond with the data they know by querying their peers and so on. Once someone finds a person with the file or people with parts of the file, the files are discretely routed towards me via direct connections and through my peers. And as data is dispersed through the network almost all files can be found eventually. In fact you are required to download a certain amount of data before you can even start choosing what you want to download. The more random data you host the higher priority you are, the same goes with uploading.
Lets say Bob wants to save a file on the Share network.
Bob wants to upload a file, so he opens Share and tells it to upload it.
The program goes and encrypts the file and splits it into chunks and then starts giving it out to whatever peers I am connected to in order to start spreading it. Now if anyone queries with a file regarding the one Bob put up peers will end up either having pieces of the files or using bob as a node to spread it to whoever is asking for it.
This is the OLD way of doing decentralized anonymous sharing. The Next Gen was Perfect Dark
There is Lisa and she is running Perfect Dark<- official site, use google trans as the dev was japanese
Perfect Dark starts by making Lisa pick a username, encrypting her IP and then add a lot of nodes then she can pick how much unity storage IE how much space she wants to dedicate to hosting random files.
The more storage the higher priority just like with Share. Perfect Dark does a better job because while it is running it downloads and uploads even more data and you can even set it to delete unity data after a period of time for it to be filled with different data. You are required to essentially maintain a connection with the perfect dark network and act as a node sending and receiving and rerouting data and you are compensated with the ability to search and query other users again for filenames, tags, or by upload ID. Uploading is the same as with Share, however in Perfect Dark if you can see a file then you can download it as it means that someone has part of it where as in Share it just means that someone knows of it, and more often than not in Perfect Dark you can get a complete download as you are broadcasting your need for parts that gets pasted onto other people so you can be helped much faster and get your file downloaded in a much more timely fashion. Share can take months on rare files, Perfect Dark only takes a few days on rare files if you can get the query. There is even a continually updating message scroll that anyone can put anything on as long as it is text and everyone running perfect dark will see it eventually. Perfect Dark furthermore has the ability to host entire websites and forums and such though I have never taken advantage of this. Perfect Dark is superior mainly due to its much better networking and p2p functionality compared to Share.
All in all these are both vastly superior to datacoin, are free, will never require 500GB of storage unless you want to have that much and are smarter and easier to use as a whole and don't run a stupid scheme with fees in order to compensate for a lack of understanding. So please, fix Datacoin. Stop being an altcoin and be something interesting.
I still think you guys are looking at this from the wrong perspective and I just realized another issue. You said before that the fee for data could be changed without a hardfork, does that mean it is only a client setting that could be recompiled by anyone to have a fee of 0 and thus evade paying data fees at all? If so then I think this shows yet another problem, the whole way that the data in datacoin is implemented is childish, it is like a child putting rocks in his icecream and calling it rocky road. All it does is hurt everyone's teeth and make the kid look dumb.
Can someone please answer if the fee payed for data is merely done via client side setting and can be modified before compiling the program itself? This is kind of urgent fyi.

Why? What do you have in mind?
If the fee for data is set in the client and not in the block chain then anyone can compile a version that lets them put free data in the the chain... do you not get the meaning of this...
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December 16, 2013, 11:54:08 PM
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This only works if you submitted it before your opponents claimed to have invented it.
Just give it up, datacoin is dead as disco, incase you missed it

Actually that's not true. "Claiming" does not provide any rights to intellectual property. Someone would have to prove that they invented it first.  That is why people who write movies and tv shows send printed copies to themselves in the mail and leave them unopened.  That's tangible proof.  I am not sure if Datacoin would offer the same proof, but by having 100s, if not thousands, of people stating that the items was entered into the blockchain at a particular time is pretty convincing.

I really wish the developer would actually talk that way I could gauge just how aware of these problems he is.

Not sure I agree with all points you make, but I have to agree with you on this as well.  We need more active development.

Again look at perfect dark and share, it works like this.

Are you involved with the perfect dark project? It almost feels like your promoting.

Can someone please answer if the fee payed for data is merely done via client side setting and can be modified before compiling the program itself? This is kind of urgent fyi.

This was already asked by me and the developer answered. This was answered here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325735.msg3700753#msg3700753

Essentially, yes, you could modify the client to submit files with 0 TX fees.  They would only, though, be submitted within your own blocks. As the blocks are not easy at all to mine this may not be that useful.
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December 17, 2013, 01:03:00 AM
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I've been following this thread since its start, and I also contributed a few times with my own two cents too. The way I see it, this is a very promising coin and you guys have been very active raising all sorts of potential cracks that need to be adressed to improve the coin. Keep up the good work guys.

I'm helping with the marketing side of a few other coins, including Quark, and when I see what you guys are doing here, it makes me wish I had find you first instead. The professionalism level here is impressive, so whenever Datacoin is ready for primetime, please let me know, and I'll be glad to help promote the coin.

I'm sure Datacoin is going to be very popular. Oh, and btw, my area of expertise is branding, so I have to say, the logo is spot on! Smiley

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December 17, 2013, 04:49:35 AM
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This only works if you submitted it before your opponents claimed to have invented it.
Just give it up, datacoin is dead as disco, incase you missed it

Actually that's not true. "Claiming" does not provide any rights to intellectual property. Someone would have to prove that they invented it first.  That is why people who write movies and tv shows send printed copies to themselves in the mail and leave them unopened.  That's tangible proof.  I am not sure if Datacoin would offer the same proof, but by having 100s, if not thousands, of people stating that the items was entered into the blockchain at a particular time is pretty convincing.

What I was saying is that if they claim to have evidence they invented it on December 12th and the blockchain says you submitted it December 15th it isn't very helpful, only helpful if you put it up on the blockchain like on December 10th, furthermore the process to verify your ownership of the data is a bit odd legally.
Again look at perfect dark and share, it works like this.

Are you involved with the perfect dark project? It almost feels like your promoting.
No, I just know a useful program when I see one and I use perfect dark on occasion to get hard to find disc iso's and bdmv's
I really just want some people to try it and come back here and then talk about what datacoin should be doing because as it stands nobody but me seems to know much of anything regarding anonymous data services

Eitherway I sold all the coins that I mined, I am officially out of datacoin for good unless something major happens to this drowning fish.
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December 17, 2013, 04:57:50 AM
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This only works if you submitted it before your opponents claimed to have invented it.
Just give it up, datacoin is dead as disco, incase you missed it

Actually that's not true. "Claiming" does not provide any rights to intellectual property. Someone would have to prove that they invented it first.  That is why people who write movies and tv shows send printed copies to themselves in the mail and leave them unopened.  That's tangible proof.  I am not sure if Datacoin would offer the same proof, but by having 100s, if not thousands, of people stating that the items was entered into the blockchain at a particular time is pretty convincing.

What I was saying is that if they claim to have evidence they invented it on December 12th and the blockchain says you submitted it December 15th it isn't very helpful, only helpful if you put it up on the blockchain like on December 10th, furthermore the process to verify your ownership of the data is a bit odd legally.
Again look at perfect dark and share, it works like this.

Are you involved with the perfect dark project? It almost feels like your promoting.
No, I just know a useful program when I see one and I use perfect dark on occasion to get hard to find disc iso's and bdmv's
I really just want some people to try it and come back here and then talk about what datacoin should be doing because as it stands nobody but me seems to know much of anything regarding anonymous data services

Eitherway I sold all the coins that I mined, I am officially out of datacoin for good unless something major happens to this drowning fish.

come on man. Drowning fish. 1 week ago you were trying to persuade others to build a pool about datacoin and after 7 days its a drowning fish?

You are very constructive and yes datacoin needs more things. But its experimental and only 1 month old! What do you expect? What was the last time something 1 month old was excellent?

Unfortunately i know shit about programming. But since you seem to know more try to persuade people to fix things more constructively. Dead disco and drowning fish after 1 month seem like personal butthurt or something...
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Again look at perfect dark and share, it works like this.
Are you involved with the perfect dark project? It almost feels like your promoting.
No, I just know a useful program when I see one

Good luck using a closed source P2P "anonymous" service like Perfect Dark.
Most likely a honeypot, I would stay away from it.

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December 17, 2013, 09:16:28 AM
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I just want to clarify one thing.
I don't want to announce it officially before time comes, but!
We're preparing for taking over the development if oocook5u doesn't appear in several days. Now we have several tasks to be implemented - based both on initial DTC plans and on community suggestions. And we won't come here and say: 'okay, we're taking over Datacoin, you should praise us', but we will come with several major updates of Datacoin backend and GUI code. No 'drowning fish' or something like that - we're only at the beginning of the way which can last for years (no, I'm not joking).

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I just want to clarify one thing.
I don't want to announce it officially before time comes, but!
We're preparing for taking over the development if oocook5u doesn't appear in several days. Now we have several tasks to be implemented - based both on initial DTC plans and on community suggestions. And we won't come here and say: 'okay, we're taking over Datacoin, you should praise us', but we will come with several major updates of Datacoin backend and GUI code. No 'drowning fish' or something like that - we're only at the beginning of the way which can last for years (no, I'm not joking).
i offered my help to the OP for adding + maintaining a dnsseed, unfortunately he didnt answer yet

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We're preparing for taking over the development if oocook5u doesn't appear in several days.
Oh, wait, the original DEV although unknown and sneaky as many other alt coin devs, showed some knowledge about the original bitcoin and primecoin code. Also he did not hide the fact that little code was changed for this alt compared to XPM which honors him, any other scam coin would have claimed this to be some revolutionary shitcoin, instead he stated this was an experiment , and to be honest, this is the value of this coin. I am not talking about the market value, because the market is crazy and people here is more interested in market value than in the coin itself.

I prefer an open and distributed development before a sneaky and individualized one but oocook5u mentioned he had plans for the coin like personal chains and big file storage, is there someone in your "takeover" team that have the skills to code this ?
So chill out guys, and let's wait a little more. Wink
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December 17, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
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We're preparing for taking over the development if oocook5u doesn't appear in several days.
Oh, wait, the original DEV although unknown and sneaky as many other alt coin devs, showed some knowledge about the original bitcoin and primecoin code. Also he did not hide the fact that little code was changed for this alt compared to XPM which honors him, any other scam coin would have claimed this to be some revolutionary shitcoin, instead he stated this was an experiment , and to be honest, this is the value of this coin. I am not talking about the market value, because the market is crazy and people here is more interested in market value than in the coin itself.

I prefer an open and distributed development before a sneaky and individualized one but oocook5u mentioned he had plans for the coin like personal chains and big file storage, is there someone in your "takeover" team that have the skills to code this ?
So chill out guys, and let's wait a little more. Wink

hey cryptrol, check your PM Wink

We're looking for developers who has enough skill. Big file storage doesn't seem like a problem, and oocook left some blank for it. But imagine: he comes with 'big file' and personal chains in 2-4-6 months. There is no development for these months, people forgot about coin, all PR efforts failed without dev improvements. Do you think that DTC can be succeed in such case? It needs 3rd party services, but no services will be implemented without good PR, and good PR is not easy when there is no development behind the coin.

i offered my help to the OP for adding + maintaining a dnsseed, unfortunately he didnt answer yet
OP doesn't answer anyone - neither via PM nor via mail\Github messages. No one knows what he is doing now and if he still continues development.

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But imagine: he comes with 'big file' and personal chains in 2-4-6 months. There is no development for these months, people forgot about coin, all PR efforts failed without dev improvements.
I agree that PR should not be underestimated, but certainly not everybody is here for a quick profit, I am more interested in DTC as a technology than in it's market value. I am here for the long term and willing to build services around DTC and support the network, so count me in for helping on anything related to DTC, it's just I don't feel the hurry to takeover DTC development just now.
Coding takes time, and the features mentioned on the OP are not trivial to implement, in fact I know a couple of cryptocurrencies that are trying to implement multichain protocols and are not even in Beta so ...
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December 17, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
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But imagine: he comes with 'big file' and personal chains in 2-4-6 months. There is no development for these months, people forgot about coin, all PR efforts failed without dev improvements.
I agree that PR should not be underestimated, but certainly not everybody is here for a quick profit, I am more interested in DTC as a technology than in it's market value. I am here for the long term and willing to build services around DTC and support the network, so count me in for helping on anything related to DTC, it's just I don't feel the hurry to takeover DTC development just now.
Coding takes time, and the features mentioned on the OP are not trivial to implement, in fact I know a couple of cryptocurrencies that are trying to implement multichain protocols and are not even in Beta so ...

...so at least 'big file' can be implemented much easier. Thank you for your answer and especially for 'long term' development, I'm planning to do the same. Let's say that we can not to takeover, but create alternative repo and position it as alternative for those who wants to use some new Datacoin features. Look: Core development -> PR -> attracting other developers -> more services. I repeated it many times and will repeat one more time: all things that we're doing now are not for quick pump, but only for attracting more specialists to create unique services and tools . And if Datacoin reaches and stays at 0.001..0.003 (not 10000% increase, just like a week ago it was at 0.0015) , it will be enough to pay people for their work, because there are very few enthusiasts who wants to work for free.

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December 17, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
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I got several notifications about block explorer and strange timestamps of last blocks. http://chainbrowser.com is now rebuilding block database, so recent blocks are still not been showed. Snard told that is will be finished soon, so don't worry.

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December 17, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
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All my 7 instances had to rebuild block database, any info on that??
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