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February 04, 2014, 04:58:49 PM
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So is JL staying as one main dev after cfb leaves?
Generally we need some organisation to do and people stepping up to take up roles in our community.
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February 04, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
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Also CfB is gone in 2 months, if by then we haven't managed to quench all of this and become a unified community, well.... that wont be pretty

I am simply trying to fix this before you leave, because if this shit isn't resorted and the community finds a common plan, then this will just be one big mess

I say it one more time: CfB is NOT disappearing magically in april.

I know, I have his assurance on this, but he stops being a developer then and starts working on his own currency, Qubic. At least that is what he has said up until now, so his heart and soul wont be dedicated to NXT. He simply wont have as much time anymore.
So in that sense he is "gone" from his position in NXT in 2 months and that is the way it should be. This community shouldn't be reliant on any single person and that is what all of this is about. I want to bring the community closer together toward common goals and I think that in order to do so we need to get rid of this mystical secrecy BS that perpeptually sticks around.

I understand your concerns, but what will full transparency solve?  BCNext is anonymous for a reason, he only communicates through CFB because if he didn't, he'd have about 1000PM's a day to answer.  Dan has this problem with eMu and it consistently delays his development of the client.  We are not Doge, we don't have that sense of humor and we shouldn't try to emulate them.  If we try we will come across as immature.  We are the true next gen currency and should rely on our tech.  I for one have been very impressed with the ideas of BCNext and encourage that he stay focused on development, not worry about pleasing those that don't have faith.
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February 04, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
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It's really that simple.

Genesis account passphrase is known to everyone. BCNext can't say anything officially anymore.

Well you talk of his plans as if they are the official plan for NXT, so he can definitely speak from that POV.
"Official" is just a label. yes NXT is supposed to be 100% decentralized and we are going to have to make it so, but you cannot deny that currently this community is still LARGELY dependent on BCNext and yourself.

I am simply trying to fix this before you leave, because if this shit isn't resorted and the community finds a common plan, then this will just be one big mess

100% agree with Uniqueorn!!
Also how can a decentralized project be done in a centralized 1 threat forum post!
This is getting out of control and it becomes very vulnerable of collapsing.
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February 04, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
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as if we are some blind religion that should just have blindfaith in NXT and it's creator, no matter what.

Seems we r. BCNext does his best to influence as little as possible but we still ask for his Second Coming...

I am happy to ask for just his source code and some idea of what the starting point is to improve it.   That starting point is his ending point.  He won't tell us his ending point at this time.  Therefore we have to wait.

Once the source code is released in early April, it will be a disaster to continue the way we are.  We cannot plot as a community what additions to make to the released NXT baseline unless they are coordinated with the current core devs.  This is why I asked how many of them will still be working full time on NXT in May.  You said you don't know.  We certainly don't know.  So we've got to wait.

I've got to tell you, all this talk of tricks and traps and obscure gotchas embedded in the code does not inspire me that it is going to be straightforward for the community to extend NXT even as the main path, much less a competitor fork.
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February 04, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
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The thing about DOGE is that it managed to become a MEME. (and other stuff)

Not quite. It started off, and took off as a meme. And yes, some people stick with it because they haven't found it old yet (I havent Grin). But that's not all there is to DOGE. DOGE also shares reddit culture, which is in general a lot more respectful and down-to-earth than most places on the net. There's also a lot of generosity and goodwill. I don't mean mere tipping gestures, I mean serious amounts of USD in the form of DOGE that have been offered to fund things. This doesn't simply arise from the novelty of a meme, but from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it.


EDIT: I'm not a marketer, but this is the main lesson I'd take away from doge: "from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it". Right now, this thread isn't such a community. It has absolutely amazing moments. And absolutely appalling ones. And it's overwhelming and intimidating for most folks. What you end up seeing here are just those people who can keep up and feel like they can get a word in, rather than truly free expression and discussion.

There have been a lot of ideas for how to deal with this. Calls to split side discussions off. Nxt is now on reddit (/r/nxt) and diaspora, these may be places where discussion can be more manageable. And passion_ltc is working on improving the communication tools in nxtion. But all these will remain ideas unless people actually try them out.


(Sigh. There was so much I wanted to do tonight. Now it looks like there's even more that I should be responding to. And I don't think I can cover everything. This is how things remain unless we all start trying out better ways of communicating, that in particular will be more accessible to new nxters.)

But it's still surviving on it's meme status. Try changing the name to "Altcoin #257" and remove every DOGE related branding and see what happens. There is no tech in DOGE that has any value. It survives on being a gimmick.

NXT should try to brand itself around it's hightech and futuristic oriented functions.
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February 04, 2014, 05:21:55 PM
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It's really that simple.

Genesis account passphrase is known to everyone. BCNext can't say anything officially anymore.

Well you talk of his plans as if they are the official plan for NXT, so he can definitely speak from that POV.
"Official" is just a label. yes NXT is supposed to be 100% decentralized and we are going to have to make it so, but you cannot deny that currently this community is still LARGELY dependent on BCNext and yourself.

I am simply trying to fix this before you leave, because if this shit isn't resorted and the community finds a common plan, then this will just be one big mess

100% agree with Uniqueorn!!
Also how can a decentralized project be done in a centralized 1 threat forum post!
This is getting out of control and it becomes very vulnerable of collapsing.


Then start a new thread, be proactive about it.  We have a lot going on outside of this massive beast of a thread.
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February 04, 2014, 05:22:13 PM
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Can any of the amazing talents here whip up a vertically oriented 164x314 pixel bitmap for me to use in my installer?
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February 04, 2014, 05:25:41 PM
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The java client is running much smoother now.
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February 04, 2014, 05:29:58 PM
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The java client is running much smoother now.

nice Smiley

though I hate Java, the smoother the better Smiley
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February 04, 2014, 05:33:14 PM
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is there ANY way possible to get that current timer "You can generate the next block in..." via a unix command?

can we put a debug option for the java console to spit out the new timer estimate after each new block is generated?
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February 04, 2014, 05:36:09 PM
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what date do you have in mind?

What about 7th of Feb?

February 7th is a GO!

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February 04, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
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The thing about DOGE is that it managed to become a MEME. (and other stuff)

Not quite. It started off, and took off as a meme. And yes, some people stick with it because they haven't found it old yet (I havent Grin). But that's not all there is to DOGE. DOGE also shares reddit culture, which is in general a lot more respectful and down-to-earth than most places on the net. There's also a lot of generosity and goodwill. I don't mean mere tipping gestures, I mean serious amounts of USD in the form of DOGE that have been offered to fund things. This doesn't simply arise from the novelty of a meme, but from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it.


EDIT: I'm not a marketer, but this is the main lesson I'd take away from doge: "from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it". Right now, this thread isn't such a community. It has absolutely amazing moments. And absolutely appalling ones. And it's overwhelming and intimidating for most folks. What you end up seeing here are just those people who can keep up and feel like they can get a word in, rather than truly free expression and discussion.

There have been a lot of ideas for how to deal with this. Calls to split side discussions off. Nxt is now on reddit (/r/nxt) and diaspora, these may be places where discussion can be more manageable. And passion_ltc is working on improving the communication tools in nxtion. But all these will remain ideas unless people actually try them out.


(Sigh. There was so much I wanted to do tonight. Now it looks like there's even more that I should be responding to. And I don't think I can cover everything. This is how things remain unless we all start trying out better ways of communicating, that in particular will be more accessible to new nxters.)

But it's still surviving on it's meme status. Try changing the name to "Altcoin #257" and remove every DOGE related branding and see what happens. There is no tech in DOGE that has any value. It survives on being a gimmick.

NXT should try to brand itself around it's hightech and futuristic oriented functions.


Yeah, I miss that too.. NXT "spam" FTW Smiley
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February 04, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
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Go for what?

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February 04, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
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(\__/)
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As some guys who reviewed Nxt code already noticed it's quite easy to add new features to Nxt core. All that required is to add a new type/subtype and some code that processes it. After we start testing Asset Exchange I'll have a couple of weeks when I'll be fixing possible bugs mostly. It's quite a boring task and I have to switch to other (more interesting) things time to time to keep working at near-100% effectiveness. We (community) could add our own (not BCNext's one) feature to Nxt. I'm thinking of cloning main Ethereum feature - contracts powered with Turing-complete language. I ask the community if there is anyone who understands Ether concept deeply enough and could consult us.

PS: If Turing-complete language is a too tough task then we could pick some other feature.
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February 04, 2014, 05:49:56 PM
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The issue Uniqueorn raised makes us admit that we are actually concerned about Nxts future, which we have been trying not to think about and act as if we are 100% confident. I have no doubt most of us believe in Nxts promised features and this community, we just need a clear picture so devs can be sure they are in the right way.
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February 04, 2014, 05:53:30 PM
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Also how can a decentralized project be done in a centralized 1 threat forum post!
This is getting out of control and it becomes very vulnerable of collapsing.


that's why Nextcoin & Nxtcrypto.org are there for....alot happens on our forums.

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February 04, 2014, 05:57:38 PM
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testnet....the AE client is ready....its not the most pretty.....I'll let the dev post about it....he has been working like a dog since last 3-4 weeks....HE IS GOOD he built HF trading prototype for Nasdaq.

I think he has a bot module inside the client...if im not mistaken.

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February 04, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
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testnet....the AE client is ready....its not the most pretty.....I'll let the dev post about it....he has been working like a dog since last 3-4 weeks....HE IS GOOD he built HF prototype for Nasdaq.

I think he has a bot module inside the client...if im not mistaken.


Cool do you have more info somewhere?

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February 04, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
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Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html
If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.


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February 04, 2014, 06:00:22 PM
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Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html
If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.



does it affect forging?

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