NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[Uniqueorn]

The thing about DOGE is that it managed to become a MEME. (and other stuff)

Not quite. It started off, and took off as a meme. And yes, some people stick with it because they haven't found it old yet (I havent ). But that's not all there is to DOGE. DOGE also shares reddit culture, which is in general a lot more respectful and down-to-earth than most places on the net. There's also a lot of generosity and goodwill. I don't mean mere tipping gestures, I mean serious amounts of USD in the form of DOGE that have been offered to fund things. This doesn't simply arise from the novelty of a meme, but from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it.


EDIT: I'm not a marketer, but this is the main lesson I'd take away from doge: "from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it". Right now, this thread isn't such a community. It has absolutely amazing moments. And absolutely appalling ones. And it's overwhelming and intimidating for most folks. What you end up seeing here are just those people who can keep up and feel like they can get a word in, rather than truly free expression and discussion.

There have been a lot of ideas for how to deal with this. Calls to split side discussions off. Nxt is now on reddit (/r/nxt) and diaspora, these may be places where discussion can be more manageable. And passion_ltc is working on improving the communication tools in nxtion. But all these will remain ideas unless people actually try them out.


(Sigh. There was so much I wanted to do tonight. Now it looks like there's even more that I should be responding to. And I don't think I can cover everything. This is how things remain unless we all start trying out better ways of communicating, that in particular will be more accessible to new nxters.)

But it's still surviving on it's meme status. Try changing the name to "Altcoin #257" and remove every DOGE related branding and see what happens. There is no tech in DOGE that has any value. It survives on being a gimmick.

NXT should try to brand itself around it's hightech and futuristic oriented functions.

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[msin]

It's really that simple.

Genesis account passphrase is known to everyone. BCNext can't say anything officially anymore.

Well you talk of his plans as if they are the official plan for NXT, so he can definitely speak from that POV.
"Official" is just a label. yes NXT is supposed to be 100% decentralized and we are going to have to make it so, but you cannot deny that currently this community is still LARGELY dependent on BCNext and yourself.

I am simply trying to fix this before you leave, because if this shit isn't resorted and the community finds a common plan, then this will just be one big mess

100% agree with Uniqueorn!!
Also how can a decentralized project be done in a centralized 1 threat forum post!
This is getting out of control and it becomes very vulnerable of collapsing.

Then start a new thread, be proactive about it.  We have a lot going on outside of this massive beast of a thread.

[Mistafreeze]

Can any of the amazing talents here whip up a vertically oriented 164x314 pixel bitmap for me to use in my installer?

[DF_]

The java client is running much smoother now.

[sherrifshenko]

The java client is running much smoother now.

nice

though I hate Java, the smoother the better

[opticalcarrier]

is there ANY way possible to get that current timer "You can generate the next block in..." via a unix command?

can we put a debug option for the java console to spit out the new timer estimate after each new block is generated?

[landomata]

what date do you have in mind?

What about 7th of Feb?

February 7th is a GO!

[sherrifshenko]

The thing about DOGE is that it managed to become a MEME. (and other stuff)

Not quite. It started off, and took off as a meme. And yes, some people stick with it because they haven't found it old yet (I havent ). But that's not all there is to DOGE. DOGE also shares reddit culture, which is in general a lot more respectful and down-to-earth than most places on the net. There's also a lot of generosity and goodwill. I don't mean mere tipping gestures, I mean serious amounts of USD in the form of DOGE that have been offered to fund things. This doesn't simply arise from the novelty of a meme, but from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it.


EDIT: I'm not a marketer, but this is the main lesson I'd take away from doge: "from people feeling that they've found a good community and want to contribute to it". Right now, this thread isn't such a community. It has absolutely amazing moments. And absolutely appalling ones. And it's overwhelming and intimidating for most folks. What you end up seeing here are just those people who can keep up and feel like they can get a word in, rather than truly free expression and discussion.

There have been a lot of ideas for how to deal with this. Calls to split side discussions off. Nxt is now on reddit (/r/nxt) and diaspora, these may be places where discussion can be more manageable. And passion_ltc is working on improving the communication tools in nxtion. But all these will remain ideas unless people actually try them out.


(Sigh. There was so much I wanted to do tonight. Now it looks like there's even more that I should be responding to. And I don't think I can cover everything. This is how things remain unless we all start trying out better ways of communicating, that in particular will be more accessible to new nxters.)

But it's still surviving on it's meme status. Try changing the name to "Altcoin #257" and remove every DOGE related branding and see what happens. There is no tech in DOGE that has any value. It survives on being a gimmick.

NXT should try to brand itself around it's hightech and futuristic oriented functions.

Yeah, I miss that too.. NXT "spam" FTW

[pinarello]

what date do you have in mind?

What about 7th of Feb?

February 7th is a GO!

Go for what?

[Come-from-Beyond]

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(='.'=)
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As some guys who reviewed Nxt code already noticed it's quite easy to add new features to Nxt core. All that required is to add a new type/subtype and some code that processes it. After we start testing Asset Exchange I'll have a couple of weeks when I'll be fixing possible bugs mostly. It's quite a boring task and I have to switch to other (more interesting) things time to time to keep working at near-100% effectiveness. We (community) could add our own (not BCNext's one) feature to Nxt. I'm thinking of cloning main Ethereum feature - contracts powered with Turing-complete language. I ask the community if there is anyone who understands Ether concept deeply enough and could consult us.

PS: If Turing-complete language is a too tough task then we could pick some other feature.

[seek4dream]

The issue Uniqueorn raised makes us admit that we are actually concerned about Nxts future, which we have been trying not to think about and act as if we are 100% confident. I have no doubt most of us believe in Nxts promised features and this community, we just need a clear picture so devs can be sure they are in the right way.

[landomata]

Also how can a decentralized project be done in a centralized 1 threat forum post!
This is getting out of control and it becomes very vulnerable of collapsing.

that's why Nextcoin & Nxtcrypto.org are there for....alot happens on our forums.

[landomata]

what date do you have in mind?

What about 7th of Feb?

February 7th is a GO!

Go for what?

testnet....the AE client is ready....its not the most pretty.....I'll let the dev post about it....he has been working like a dog since last 3-4 weeks....HE IS GOOD he built HF trading prototype for Nasdaq.

I think he has a bot module inside the client...if im not mistaken.

[pinarello]

what date do you have in mind?

What about 7th of Feb?

February 7th is a GO!

Go for what?

testnet....the AE client is ready....its not the most pretty.....I'll let the dev post about it....he has been working like a dog since last 3-4 weeks....HE IS GOOD he built HF prototype for Nasdaq.

I think he has a bot module inside the client...if im not mistaken.

Cool do you have more info somewhere?

[Jean-Luc]

Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html

If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.

[pinarello]

Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html

If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.

does it affect forging?

[Jean-Luc]

If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.

does it affect forging?

It shouldn't, when your node generates a block it will broadcast it to 10 of its peers. I forge on a node behind Tor, and necessarily use shareMyAddress=false myself.

[landomata]

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

As some guys who reviewed Nxt code already noticed it's quite easy to add new features to Nxt core. All that required is to add a new type/subtype and some code that processes it. After we start testing Asset Exchange I'll have a couple of weeks when I'll be fixing possible bugs mostly. It's quite a boring task and I have to switch to other (more interesting) things time to time to keep working at near-100% effectiveness. We (community) could add our own (not BCNext's one) feature to Nxt. I'm thinking of cloning main Ethereum feature - contracts powered with Turing-complete language. I ask the community if there is anyone who understands Ether concept deeply enough and could consult us.

PS: If Turing-complete language is a too tough task then we could pick some other feature.

Lets try  

I propose a TURING - COMPLETE COMMITTEE:

CFB
ANON
NXTCHG
BLOODYROOKIE
JAMES

[opticalcarrier]

Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html

If the bandwith usage is too much for you, set shareMyAddress to false in web.xml, and remove myAddress (set it to an empty value). This should stop other peers from trying to connect to your node.

does it affect forging?

no it wont.  this was my suggestion earlier when someone brought it up.

in other news, can someone update the wiki on the getBalance API? There are now 3 fields returned, and the wiki only lists 2, and now with the addition of the 3rd field, the wiki is a bit ambiguous.  Here are the 3 fields now:

    balance: 0
    effectiveBalance: 0
    unconfirmedBalance: 0


And here is what wiki says:

Response

{
     "balance":                  EFFBALANCE,
     "unconfirmedBalance":       UNCONFBALANCE
}

Where:

    EFFBALANCE is the confirmed/effective balance in the Nxt account, expressed in Nxt-cents. This is the balance that is used for forging.
    UNCONFBALANCE is the unconfirmed balance in the Nxt account, expressed in Nxt-cents.

Note: "unconfirmedBalance" is the balance minus all unconfirmed sent transactions. It doesn't include double-spending and unconfirmed received transactions. A user sees the unconfirmed balance in the client.

I would update it but Im not 100% on what to write.

And can someone tell me how long it takes for a NXT transfer into an account for that new NXT to be available for forging?  Does this time limit differ if it is new NXT due to receiving NXT in fees from forging a block versus receiving NXT from some other account?

[Jean-Luc]

In the meantime, I wish to report that 0.7.0 is running successfully with an H2 database backend, no more serialized java object files. No need to keep all blocks and transactions in memory anymore.