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February 08, 2014, 05:13:12 AM
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NXT Vote on Transaction Fees seems no longer discussed.  So... my final tally:

Fee AmountVotes
0.0000011
0.0012
0.0110
0.051
0.0552
0.137
0.252
0.17

Mean: 0.184870983870968
Median: 0.1
Mode: 0.1

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Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akjrt0LTBXgcdFFkSGMwXzd4Q2NPU21yU2NOYWVldlE&usp=sharing

This marks the end of my tally.  If someone else wants to continue, I can give permissions on the google doc.  Send me a PM.

Cheers!

I would say we finish this and implement the 0.1 NXT fee.
we should continue to vote.
I think Nxt transaction fee is too little,we may need increase fee to let the nodes be willing to run for fees.

You can send 100 Nxt as tx fee when you do transaction.

As we all know, BTCChina boosted the tx volume after they ignored tx fee. So you know it that the decrease of Nxt tx fee will also boost more and more application and tx volume, and I think the forger won't get too little.


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February 08, 2014, 05:39:48 AM
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That looks cool! Nice work!
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February 08, 2014, 06:12:51 AM
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Winter Olympics in Sochi Russia leave a circle for  Nxt . Wink
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February 08, 2014, 06:50:45 AM
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NXT Vote on Transaction Fees seems no longer discussed.  So... my final tally:

Fee AmountVotes
0.0000011
0.0012
0.0110
0.051
0.0552
0.137
0.252
0.17

Mean: 0.184870983870968
Median: 0.1
Mode: 0.1

http://i.imgur.com/jQzwKMG.png

Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akjrt0LTBXgcdFFkSGMwXzd4Q2NPU21yU2NOYWVldlE&usp=sharing

This marks the end of my tally.  If someone else wants to continue, I can give permissions on the google doc.  Send me a PM.

Cheers!

I would say we finish this and implement the 0.1 NXT fee.
we should continue to vote.
I think Nxt transaction fee is too little,we may need increase fee to let the nodes be willing to run for fees.
Sometimes, less is more.
With NXT being able to be used for more than payments, we need to make sure we are not pricing the usage too high. We could very well end up with higher forging per block with a lower minimum fee!

Basically, 99% taxation appears to get a much higher tax revenue than 10% taxation. however, the higher rate kills any economy while the lower rate could easily generate more than 10 times the revenues.

James


I really think 0.1 is perfect. we need some discouragement from people spamming the blockchain but at this point forgers should be doing it because they care about the network. not because they are making some spare change.

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February 08, 2014, 06:53:47 AM
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All,

People that have running projects other than marketing please let us know what your project is.

We want to have a view on all projects and consider bounty for them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=453935.new#new


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February 08, 2014, 07:00:46 AM
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Hello fellow nxters! and nxters soon to be!

Proudly Presenting you: A Nxt Forging Competition, where the lowest amount of balance that a person forges wins!

I will host this first competition and may host further competitions after this if i have time and money.
I hope that this will become one of our traditions in nxt and i hope one day we will have someone able to forge something with a single nxt in their balance!

REWARDS:1000nxt+Donations ( Donations to 1102421650298945743 )
Time: Competition starts after Block 59500, Expires after 20,000 blocks @ 79,500 and winner will be announced.

All entries shall be submitted in here: https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=744
Any entries elsewhere will not be counted.

I am promoting forums.nxtcrypto.org and promoting nxt forging. I am just a random person, i just thought people wanted to move from btt to forums.nxtcrypto.org.
For more infos please visit https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=744
And we have our first entry @ 10,007nxt!  Grin

 Huh For those still forging but have a higher balance, you still have a chance, but you have to lower your balance to less than our current high(low)score in order to be eligible, simply transfer some nxt out to another account of yours, or do some good deeds like donations!

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February 08, 2014, 07:16:46 AM
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I found an SMTP server in Java: https://code.google.com/p/subethasmtp/

I want to offer a bounty of 20000 NXT to modify it to become a hardcoded NXT plugin proof of concept, NXTsmtp

The goal is to get this to where we can submit it to jean-luc for inclusion in an upcoming release, without making him yell at us for sending him junk

For now, there is too much that is undefined, so I just want a few simple things. Need a way to make its input be contained within an AM. For now we can limit to 1000 byte message + destination. The idea is that at some point in the future, there will be NXT VM scripts that output an AM which should trigger sending an email.

A reasonable format needs to be defined for the AM, to start with I am thinking a code for plugin ID, followed by size, followed by plugin specific data. Since we havent defined the layers yet, any well defined format is fine. We will just tweak it when we get better format definitions. A way to create the AM from text file is also needed and this code is intended to be included in clients, eg. read text file, format AM data, submit AM.

The second part is to figure out where in the NXT core we need to put a check for AM triggered plugin invocation. This code also needs to get a transaction ID (which would be the hash of content and email address) and put it into the blockchain so all the nodes can verify it was sent from the forging node.

I am not sure if subethasmtp is a totally self-contained smtp implementation, if it is not, we cant use it for hardcoded NXTplugin. If it turns out that the subethasmtp is not suitable or there is a better one, then please find and use the better one. I am not sure how many people want a decentralized way of sending email, especially when any node can read it. This is my attempt at getting a reference implementation for a hardcoded plugin. No need to worry about encrypting/decrypting AM that contains email.

James

P.S. I also authorize 500 NXT bounty for the first 10 NXTplugin ideas with corresponding source code that does anything remotely useful, eg. you can think of a situation where you would actually use it. Submissions need a description of the idea and when you would use it and URL to source.

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February 08, 2014, 07:25:56 AM
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Peer of NXTio.org is Rank 11 in https://www.peerexplorer.com/index.php Smiley

https://nextcoin.org is down again Sad

EDIT: https://nextcoin.org comeback!
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February 08, 2014, 07:26:25 AM
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I am currently studying some useful apps, so here is my attempt of Nxt plugin Cheesy
Name: Nxt File Sharing

Description:
The File Shares (Windows) plugin uses the popular Samba (SMB) daemon to host files on a local network. These files can be accessed from any computer in the network using the network name of the device hosting it and the applicable share name. This plugin is used to coordinate filesharing with Windows-based devices on your network.
https://wiki.arkos.io/wiki/File_Shares_(Windows)

Source:
https://arkos.io/downloads/

+ many other plugins:

https://arkos.io/genesis/plugins

Websites
- The Websites app allows you to add, remove and edit websites to your arkOS server. It automatically downloads the configuration data for each app type and configures them in the background.

Databases
- The Databases app allows you to manage a variety of databases depending on the types that are installed on your system. These databases can be used for individual plugins or webapps that you use with Genesis. Different database types can be installed by going to the Applications pane from the Settings menu, then downloading and installing them as you would another plugin.

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February 08, 2014, 07:30:01 AM
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Are there any mining services that let you convert your newly mined coin directly to NXT instead of BTC?

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February 08, 2014, 07:32:36 AM
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Another extra;

That looks cool! Nice work!
+1440
It shows that Nxt is not just a coin, but crypto-PLATFORM !

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February 08, 2014, 07:33:50 AM
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25000 NXT bounty for a method and Java implementation that verifies NXTplugin process has not changed. Need an OS independent way of finding the executable code of a previously registered NXTplugin. This means we can constrain the creation method (linker output), probably need to do this for unix, Mac and Windows separately.

I am looking for a practical solution that will allow realtime verification by the NXTcore to make sure that the NXTplugin has not been tampered with. NXTplugins will have to be opensourced and publish signatures for specific compilers. This signature is then verified prior to any usage of that plugin by the NXTcore.

BEFORE we would ever consider submitting this to jean-luc, we of course need to test it like crazy. If the code is changed at all, we assume it is tampered. This probably means we cant do any dynamic linking, and need either static or relative jumps. Not sure though. Just finding where the code is might not be so easy. Figuring out how to get a ptr to the Java process will probably be pretty difficult. Any reasonable one way hash function is fine for this bounty, just want to get the system issues out of the way so we can validate in realtime that a plugin has not been tampered with.

As long as the source is reviewed for Evil Bobness and the code that is executing generates the same signature, I think we are getting close to where we can trust it almost as much as a hardcoded plugin where the plugin is actually part of the NXT core. Once we have the ability to have NXT plugins that are external to the NXT core, that is when things can really take off. We still need a formal validation process before it is approved for inclusion in the approved list of plugins, but maybe we can sidestep that issue by just having web.xml entries?

PLEASE if anybody can find a security flaw in this method, post ASAP. Remember Evil Bob is very evil

James

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February 08, 2014, 07:41:30 AM
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I am currently studying some useful apps, so here is my attempt of Nxt plugin Cheesy
Name: Nxt File Sharing

Description:
The File Shares (Windows) plugin uses the popular Samba (SMB) daemon to host files on a local network. These files can be accessed from any computer in the network using the network name of the device hosting it and the applicable share name. This plugin is used to coordinate filesharing with Windows-based devices on your network.
https://wiki.arkos.io/wiki/File_Shares_(Windows)

Source:
https://arkos.io/downloads/

+ many other plugins:

https://arkos.io/genesis/plugins

Websites
- The Websites app allows you to add, remove and edit websites to your arkOS server. It automatically downloads the configuration data for each app type and configures them in the background.

Databases
- The Databases app allows you to manage a variety of databases depending on the types that are installed on your system. These databases can be used for individual plugins or webapps that you use with Genesis. Different database types can be installed by going to the Applications pane from the Settings menu, then downloading and installing them as you would another plugin.
I am not sure how it is possible to implement a decentralized filesharing or website configuration.
Remember that there will be hundreds of nodes, any of which could end up forging the next block. The one that forges the block would scan all AM's in that block and if it finds a plugin invoked, it will make sure it hasnt been tampered with and then will invoke it. There also needs to be a way to add this event to the blockchain with some sort of transaction id that can be verified by all the other nodes.

So all the data for the plugin needs to fit in an AM. I guess I need to clarify that.

Sorry about not being clear enough. Since I wasnt clear enough, I will authorize 500 NXT for you, but following submissions need to be something that fits into the NXTplugin model. All the input needs to be available in the blockchain (including AM) and there also needs to be a way for other nodes to verify that the action has been done, eg the one way hash of email content and destination email address.

James

Edit: I think my usage of plugin is what was a bit confusing. I am talking only about NXTplugins, eg. external actions that can be invoked by NXT VM (turing scripts) from the AM that it outputs.

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February 08, 2014, 07:44:39 AM
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Another extra;

That looks cool! Nice work!
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very nice just like building blocks....

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February 08, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
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Funny how we are taking about plugins (more security issues) when one fatal flaw  that existed in all versions prior to 0.6 could have completely ended Nxt experiment

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.0.html

Had this flaw been discovered by someone more nefarious, that would have been pretty much the end (40 million Nxt stolen for bter, for example).  

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Last edit: February 08, 2014, 08:09:25 AM by pinarello
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why is this still on version 0.5.11

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=20

come on guys this is blockchain explorer.

NEXERN where are you?

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February 08, 2014, 07:48:28 AM
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I am a bit concerned that there has been very little feedback on my recent proposals, blockchain FIFO and NXT plugin architecture.

This either means its Friday night and nobody has had a chance to think about them, or it is so ridiculous nobody bothered to comment, or maybe I am on everyone's ignore list?

Please, if you see anything wrong, now is the time to find it. Also, if you think it is mostly right, just +1 it or short comment. I feel like I am in a vacuum here...

James

P.S. I just cant believe that I got everything right as that is the fourth possibility.

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February 08, 2014, 07:53:33 AM
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I am a bit concerned that there has been very little feedback on my recent proposals, blockchain FIFO and NXT plugin architecture.

This either means its Friday night and nobody has had a chance to think about them, or it is so ridiculous nobody bothered to comment, or maybe I am on everyone's ignore list?

Please, if you see anything wrong, now is the time to find it. Also, if you think it is mostly right, just +1 it or short comment. I feel like I am in a vacuum here...

James

P.S. I just cant believe that I got everything right as that is the fourth possibility.

or people don't understand what you talking about like me Cheesy

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February 08, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
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I am currently studying some useful apps, so here is my attempt of Nxt plugin Cheesy
Name: Nxt File Sharing

Description:
The File Shares (Windows) plugin uses the popular Samba (SMB) daemon to host files on a local network. These files can be accessed from any computer in the network using the network name of the device hosting it and the applicable share name. This plugin is used to coordinate filesharing with Windows-based devices on your network.
https://wiki.arkos.io/wiki/File_Shares_(Windows)

Source:
https://arkos.io/downloads/

+ many other plugins:

https://arkos.io/genesis/plugins

Websites
- The Websites app allows you to add, remove and edit websites to your arkOS server. It automatically downloads the configuration data for each app type and configures them in the background.

Databases
- The Databases app allows you to manage a variety of databases depending on the types that are installed on your system. These databases can be used for individual plugins or webapps that you use with Genesis. Different database types can be installed by going to the Applications pane from the Settings menu, then downloading and installing them as you would another plugin.
I am not sure how it is possible to implement a decentralized filesharing or website configuration.
Remember that there will be hundreds of nodes, any of which could end up forging the next block. The one that forges the block would scan all AM's in that block and if it finds a plugin invoked, it will make sure it hasnt been tampered with and then will invoke it. There also needs to be a way to add this event to the blockchain with some sort of transaction id that can be verified by all the other nodes.

So all the data for the plugin needs to fit in an AM. I guess I need to clarify that.

Sorry about not being clear enough. Since I wasnt clear enough, I will authorize 500 NXT for you, but following submissions need to be something that fits into the NXTplugin model. All the input needs to be available in the blockchain (including AM) and there also needs to be a way for other nodes to verify that the action has been done, eg the one way hash of email content and destination email address.

James

Edit: I think my usage of plugin is what was a bit confusing. I am talking only about NXTplugins, eg. external actions that can be invoked by NXT VM (turing scripts) from the AM that it outputs.

well, I don't understand much, but I am still guessing such things will be possible after revealing of the 2nd/3rd parts of BCNext's plan. I am pretty sure Nxt isn't about currency. Currency was only an easy way to spread the app

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February 08, 2014, 07:57:45 AM
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I do not feel confident with the idea of "plugins" and "turing compete" scripting implementation before more basic stuff is complete. We need  thorough  code rechecking from many more independent sources , finishing already announced projects, and other basic stuff.  

I am surprised how little reaction there is to the fact that a guy who discovered a fatal flaw with Nxt code two days ago could have stolen 40 million from bter Nxt account
 https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.0.html

How many more flaws exist? We don't know, but yet we want to implement "plugins" Wow. This isn't firefox.

Seriously. Forget plugins and spend more resources on code auditing and finishing the announced features.

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