NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[pandaisftw]

How about this: Send 2 BTC (offer extended only to yuri here) to this address (18th1Uv1XEcjMo9CQ2FX46q2xkEha3FX8) and it may return between 0-10000 BTC in a month with my super new currency that offers 5x the features NXT is offering. Put your money where your mouth is, yuri, and take the risk the initial stakeholders took. You may or may not get your money back. But then you can't complain if it takes off and get 111283182312% of IPO, right?

Stakeholder like him'll screw up your project, no offense 

What? You're telling me he won't give away all his coins to keep the price low?

[bennylou]

This is all I'm gonna I'm going to speak on this, it is quite literally a waste of my time telling people to just look at the NXT blockchain to see the same conclusion anyone with common sense will find, then to be called a troll by founders and the developer.

Not going into your post content wise, i would like to go into it from a communication point of view.
I find it hard to believe that you are surprised by the reception you got on the forums.

Your first post starts with a HUGE pic of the blockchain with angry red ALLCAPS pointing out the unfairness.
Now, I'm not saying the system may or may not be inherently unfair. I am reserving judgement.

However, if from post ONE, you come in criticising, I as a mod or admin would also be taken aback and think "who the hell is this guy and why does he even post on a forum for a product he evidently doesn't trust?".

If someone would have done that on my forums, I'd basically ignore him as someone who barges into a pub and starting to complain about the bad quality of the establishment.

Contentwise you may be right, but you are doing yourself and your viewpoint a severe disservice by basically communicating extemely aggressively. And yes, at that point, the discussion will most probably nót go about content, but emotion.  

One last thing, because I only just noticed it and it sorta ties in to your points..

...to be fair, you probably shouldn't base judgment on the content on forums and just draw your own conclusions, I mean for example, the proposal I made on nextcoin.org forum has been deleted,
per the print screen I made last night.. you know.. just in case.. hah.

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1268.msg13727.html#msg13727

https://i.imgur.com/0x5Ai3W.jpg

and a print screen from today.. same forum, gone...

https://i.imgur.com/MzJpLbT.jpg

btw you can see people on the next page reacting to the proposal, but I guess they decided it wasn't fit for their forum, or perhaps they'll say I deleted it. I did not.

those big red letters were the current font I had selected, sorry if it screamed agenda. peace.
and like my last post on nextcoin.org (before it was deleted)

see you in 6 months...

[pandaisftw]

pandaisftw you can't compare pure PoW with pure PoS
PoW and PoS are completely different
For that reason PoW are not created from the air, PoS are

Really, what was bitcoin created out of then? Just because bitcoin (or PoW coin) is inflationary, does not make it completely different. PoS and PoW are only different in how a) coins are distributed) and b) how blocks are awarded. Both are created from just an idea.

[opticalcarrier]

This is all I'm gonna I'm going to speak on this, it is quite literally a waste of my time telling people to just look at the NXT blockchain to see the same conclusion anyone with common sense will find, then to be called a troll by founders and the developer.

Not going into your post content wise, i would like to go into it from a communication point of view.
I find it hard to believe that you are surprised by the reception you got on the forums.

Your first post starts with a HUGE pic of the blockchain with angry red ALLCAPS pointing out the unfairness.
Now, I'm not saying the system may or may not be inherently unfair. I am reserving judgement.

However, if from post ONE, you come in criticising, I as a mod or admin would also be taken aback and think "who the hell is this guy and why does he even post on a forum for a product he evidently doesn't trust?".

If someone would have done that on my forums, I'd basically ignore him as someone who barges into a pub and starting to complain about the bad quality of the establishment.

Contentwise you may be right, but you are doing yourself and your viewpoint a severe disservice by basically communicating extemely aggressively. And yes, at that point, the discussion will most probably nót go about content, but emotion. 

One last thing, because I only just noticed it and it sorta ties in to your points..

...to be fair, you probably shouldn't base judgment on the content on forums and just draw your own conclusions, I mean for example, the proposal I made on nextcoin.org forum has been deleted,
per the print screen I made last night.. you know.. just in case.. hah.

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1268.msg13727.html#msg13727



and a print screen from today.. same forum, gone...



btw you can see people on the next page reacting to the proposal, but I guess they decided it wasn't fit for their forum, or perhaps they'll say I deleted it. I did not.

those big red letters were the current font I had selected, sorry if it screamed agenda. peace.
and like my last post on nextcoin.org (before it was deleted)

see you in 6 months...

im doing a stare/compare, and I cannot find anything deleted.  can you elaborate?

[ZeroTheGreat]

What? You're telling me he won't give away all his coins to keep the price low?

He'll buy all of them at 0 from unknown big whale he can see in the mirror, then he'll do it again, then...

[Damelon]

btw you can see people on the next page reacting to the proposal, but I guess they decided it wasn't fit for their forum, or perhaps they'll say I deleted it. I did not.

those big red letters were the current font I had selected, sorry if it screamed agenda. peace.
and like my last post on nextcoin.org (before it was deleted)

see you in 6 months...

Actually,

I did see that post yesterday and thought it was a sensible alternative.
I didn't know it was deleted. I also see no reason why it should be deleted. 

In that case: good that there are screenshots.

As to drawing conclusions: I don't buy into the "don't draw conclusions from forum posts". In my experience, it's not a very strong argument. Nobody nééds to overreact, especially not on forums, where you have time to think before you post. On the other hand, people do react more primal on the net.

I have no beef with anyone and as far as i am concerned any constuctive comment is welcome. So I hope there will be some more thoughts about all this. Voting system is coming, too, so who knows what that will bring

[ZeroTheGreat]

I mean for example, the proposal I made on nextcoin.org forum has been deleted

Yeah, this isn't nice acting of mod. Well, we've cache of search systems, screens and your promise of returning.

[rickyjames]

The source is here, I only remember that in first days, there were more than 50 millions sold, in the forums, for a bargain prices

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4107001#msg4107001

+ Bitcoin data come from the web

I think you need to do more research and make sure this is right before you distribute your video.  Give me a few minutes to research something and I will get back to you.

I am very surprised.  I have just run a rough "audit" of the first month of dgex.com based on the (433 pages!!!) data at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=100 for the dgex account of 6635869272840226493.  I think the data pretty conclusively shows that right at 228,000,000 million NXT coins have been deposited by around 810 deposits there since the exchange opened on November 28.  Since roughly 28,000,000 are still on deposit at the site, the rest or 200,000,000 million have indeed been withdrawn by around 3500 withdrawals.   If 50 million were indeed sold here in the forums outside of dgex.com, then it is a fact that within the past 30 days at least 25% of all NXT in existence has been exchanged to a new owner.   This is a nearly amazing number to me and something to throw in the face of anybody that calls NXT a scam.

Let me crunch the spreadsheet numbers some more and I will post some more interesting facts.  

In the meantime, salsacz, not only have you made an excellent video, it is going to spread some very important truths and facts about NXT.   I say distribute it as widely as you can!!!

[wakasaki808]

The source is here, I only remember that in first days, there were more than 50 millions sold, in the forums, for a bargain prices

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4107001#msg4107001

+ Bitcoin data come from the web

I think you need to do more research and make sure this is right before you distribute your video.  Give me a few minutes to research something and I will get back to you.

I am very surprised.  I have just run a rough "audit" of the first month of dgex.com based on the (433 pages!!!) data at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=100 .  I think the data pretty conclusively shows that right at 228,000,000 million NXT coins have been deposited by around 810 deposits there since the exchange opened on November 28.  Since roughly 28,000,000 are still on deposit at the site, the rest or 200,000,000 million have indeed been withdrawn by around 3500 withdrawals.   If 50 million were indeed sold here in the forums outside of dgex.com, then it is a fact that within the past 30 days at least 25% of all NXT in existence has been exchanged to a new owner.   This is a nearly amazing number to me and something to throw in the face of anybody that calls NXT a scam.

Let me crunch the spreadsheet numbers some more and I will post some more interesting facts.  

In the meantime, salsacz, not only have you made an excellent video, it is going to spread some very important truths and facts about NXT.   I say distribute it as widely as you can!!!

Did anyone just notice that 75,009,336 Nxt have been exchanged between DGEX account and the account 12292439833850569026  in the last month? Looks like someone just bought a load of Nxt. About $4M worth of Nxt at current price  . Maybe DGEX changed accounts?  

DGEX account just went from 28M Nxt down to 6M Nxt.

Account that just loaded up on Nxt http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=12292439833850569026&offset=1

DGEX Account http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=6635869272840226493

[salsacz]

The source is here, I only remember that in first days, there were more than 50 millions sold, in the forums, for a bargain prices

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4107001#msg4107001

+ Bitcoin data come from the web

I think you need to do more research and make sure this is right before you distribute your video.  Give me a few minutes to research something and I will get back to you.

I am very surprised.  I have just run a rough "audit" of the first month of dgex.com based on the (433 pages!!!) data at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=100 for the dgex account of 6635869272840226493.  I think the data pretty conclusively shows that right at 228,000,000 million NXT coins have been deposited by around 810 deposits there since the exchange opened on November 28.  Since roughly 28,000,000 are still on deposit at the site, the rest or 200,000,000 million have indeed been withdrawn by around 3500 withdrawals.   If 50 million were indeed sold here in the forums outside of dgex.com, then it is a fact that within the past 30 days at least 25% of all NXT in existence has been exchanged to a new owner.   This is a nearly amazing number to me and something to throw in the face of anybody that calls NXT a scam.

Let me crunch the spreadsheet numbers some more and I will post some more interesting facts.  

In the meantime, salsacz, not only have you made an excellent video, it is going to spread some very important truths and facts about NXT.   I say distribute it as widely as you can!!!

Ofcourse, I study Nxt - not so technically, but I observe people's paranoias and focus on solutions

[EvilDave]

Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it.....

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

[User705]

So awesome!  How much will you be contributing to this massive giveaway?

[EvilDave]

My 5534 wont go very far, dude

[User705]

My 5534 wont go very far, dude

Buy more.

[ZeroTheGreat]

Let me crunch

Thx for crunching.

[Anon136]

Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it.....

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

i hugely second this idea. but i have to say if there was a large stakeholder who was interested in doing this he would definitely have to keep it quiet and it would definitely have to take everyone totally by surprise. either way if we want this thing to succeed the large stakeholders will HAVE to find ways to get rid of large portions of their stash soon. it must be done and it CANT be put off. I just hope that they understand that giving away huge portions of their stake is more likely to make them wealthy in the future than hording it. everyone has to do anything they can to make sure that the large stake holders understand this.

[ZeroTheGreat]

My 5534 wont go very far, dude

Buy more.

Develop strategy.

[Bitventurer]

Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it.....

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

i hugely second this idea. but i have to say if there was a large stakeholder who was interested in doing this he would definitely have to keep it quiet and it would definitely have to take everyone totally by surprise. either way if we want this thing to succeed the large stakeholders will HAVE to find ways to get rid of large portions of their stash soon. it must be done and it CANT be put off. I just hope that they understand that giving away huge portions of their stake is more likely to make them wealthy in the future than hording it. everyone has to do anything they can to make sure that the large stake holders understand this.

one should give a 1M to Max Keiser

[windjc]

Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it.....

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

i hugely second this idea. but i have to say if there was a large stakeholder who was interested in doing this he would definitely have to keep it quiet and it would definitely have to take everyone totally by surprise. either way if we want this thing to succeed the large stakeholders will HAVE to find ways to get rid of large portions of their stash soon. it must be done and it CANT be put off. I just hope that they understand that giving away huge portions of their stake is more likely to make them wealthy in the future than hording it. everyone has to do anything they can to make sure that the large stake holders understand this.

one should give a 1M to Max Keiser

You joke. But this is actually true.

[Bitventurer]

Distribution of NXT among the original 71 vs the rest of us, and the effects this will have on forging revenues for the "little guys" is one of the main points that NXT critics can use against NXT, and I kind of see their point.

If enough people see NXT as a scam coin used by an elite inner circle to get rich, that could play hard against NXT, no matter how good it is or how pure the motives of the initial stakeholders are.

The only solution: give all of the NXT to me, I'll take good care of it.....

But seriously: I propose some sort of massive giveaway to coincide with the Jan 3 launch.
From what I can see on the blockchain explorer there are only 5000 or so active accounts (seems low, tbh).
Give every account 10,000 NXT, that'll cost 50 million NXT, 5% of the total, and will generate the most publicity ever for a crypto launch.

(imagine the headlines: Crypto-anarchists give away millions! )
And imagine the tsunami rush of new users hoping to get a piece of the action.......ready to buy in hard. Everyone will go to the moon......

i hugely second this idea. but i have to say if there was a large stakeholder who was interested in doing this he would definitely have to keep it quiet and it would definitely have to take everyone totally by surprise. either way if we want this thing to succeed the large stakeholders will HAVE to find ways to get rid of large portions of their stash soon. it must be done and it CANT be put off. I just hope that they understand that giving away huge portions of their stake is more likely to make them wealthy in the future than hording it. everyone has to do anything they can to make sure that the large stake holders understand this.

one should give a 1M to Max Keiser

You joke. But this is actually true.

its max style , saying the truth joking