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The issue u r talking about belongs to client side. I don't have opinion on that, sorry. I see... hopefully that kick-ass client that is in the works has that feature then. thnx When I forge, I start java client, login via web browser, then close browser and keep java cmd open. This will allow you to continue forging without having your wallet open in a browser.
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I am absolutely amazed by the way how critical questions and remarks are just brushed of as 'you are just jealous because you are too late' kind of statements. It is as if no actual discussion is allowed, only when you utter words like to the moon etc?
I disagree with your assesment. Criticism is good. There is nothing wrong with that. Misrepresenting facts is not good. And saying that an IPO where investors get profit is "not fair" isn't really a useful statement. What ís useful is constructive ideas about how to get those coins moving. As stated before: the founders are in a lock, too. Market volume isn't big enough for them to bring all their coins to the market at the moment. The market would collapse and that isn't good for anyone. Some people have suggested ways to do this. Most suggested "give it away". Fair enough, that's a valid suggestion. Some proposed a charity fund. Also constructive. My point is that it's a good idea to distinguish between people shouting "not fair!" and then not adding any constructive idea (which leads to the impression they just want a piece of the pie too and and are in NO way interested in the NXT as a new currency, AT ALL) and people who raise valid concers that have something to do with the viability of NXT. I agree shouting 'unfair' is not constructive. That is why I suggested to put 80% of the coins in a sort of trust fund and dole them out when transactions are executed. Apparently this has something to do with going to Church. Having an ad supported faucet apparently is also not supported by most here. I agree that giving them away is not constructive and is in no way supportive of the currency. There has to be some sort of work that has to be performed to get coins. So far not very many of these programs exist however. Maybe I just didn't look in the right places.
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I am absolutely amazed by the way how critical questions and remarks are just brushed of as 'you are just jealous because you are too late' kind of statements. It is as if no actual discussion is allowed, only when you utter words like to the moon etc?
I disagree with your assesment. Criticism is good. There is nothing wrong with that. Misrepresenting facts is not good. And saying that an IPO where investors get profit is "not fair" isn't really a useful statement. What ís useful is constructive ideas about how to get those coins moving. As stated before: the founders are in a lock, too. Market volume isn't big enough for them to bring all their coins to the market at the moment. The market would collapse and that isn't good for anyone. Some people have suggested ways to do this. Most suggested "give it away". Fair enough, that's a valid suggestion. Some proposed a charity fund. Also constructive. My point is that it's a good idea to distinguish between people shouting "not fair!" and then not adding any constructive idea (which leads to the impression they just want a piece of the pie too and and are in NO way interested in the NXT as a new currency, AT ALL) and people who raise valid concers that have something to do with the viability of NXT. I agree shouting 'unfair' is not constructive. That is why I suggested to put 80% of the coins in a sort of trust fund and dole them out when transactions are executed. Apparently this has something to do with going to Church. Having an ad supported faucet apparently is also not supported by most here. I agree that giving them away is not constructive and is in no way supportive of the currency. There has to be some sort of work that has to be performed to get coins. So far not very many of these programs exist however. Maybe I just didn't look in the right places. hey 1992, problem with the "trust fund" is whoever controls it can fake, lie, cheat, and steal by manipulation.
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December 29, 2013, 03:45:51 PM |
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The issue u r talking about belongs to client side. I don't have opinion on that, sorry. I see... hopefully that kick-ass client that is in the works has that feature then. thnx When I forge, I start java client, login via web browser, then close browser and keep java cmd open. This will allow you to continue forging without having your wallet open in a browser. YOU MADE MY DAY!!! So... how are you sure you are still forging? I mean... how do you check to see that you are still forging? thnx See i don't know how you are still forging. I have been on nxt 24 hours a day for the past couple weeks, even calling half that time down for crashes and ddos, and thats still a TON of hours. I have almost 285k nxt and my block chain says that I should have forged an estimated 175nxt. In reality, I've forged two blocks and earned 1nxt. I KNOW its new, and crashy, and lots of empty blocks, but I really think the issue is about understanding how the "staying connected" works see http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15436509232181115695
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December 29, 2013, 03:47:34 PM |
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I am absolutely amazed by the way how critical questions and remarks are just brushed of as 'you are just jealous because you are too late' kind of statements. It is as if no actual discussion is allowed, only when you utter words like to the moon etc?
I disagree with your assesment. Criticism is good. There is nothing wrong with that. Misrepresenting facts is not good. And saying that an IPO where investors get profit is "not fair" isn't really a useful statement. What ís useful is constructive ideas about how to get those coins moving. As stated before: the founders are in a lock, too. Market volume isn't big enough for them to bring all their coins to the market at the moment. The market would collapse and that isn't good for anyone. Some people have suggested ways to do this. Most suggested "give it away". Fair enough, that's a valid suggestion. Some proposed a charity fund. Also constructive. My point is that it's a good idea to distinguish between people shouting "not fair!" and then not adding any constructive idea (which leads to the impression they just want a piece of the pie too and and are in NO way interested in the NXT as a new currency, AT ALL) and people who raise valid concers that have something to do with the viability of NXT. I agree shouting 'unfair' is not constructive. That is why I suggested to put 80% of the coins in a sort of trust fund and dole them out when transactions are executed. Apparently this has something to do with going to Church. Having an ad supported faucet apparently is also not supported by most here. I agree that giving them away is not constructive and is in no way supportive of the currency. There has to be some sort of work that has to be performed to get coins. So far not very many of these programs exist however. Maybe I just didn't look in the right places. First off, because I basically am just a small investor with no indepth knowledge of the functionality of the system, I cannot comment on the trust fund etc. An ad supported faucet (at least in the beginning stages of Nxt) seems like a good idea to get some circulation. As far as I can see that is basically a condition that any plan at this point needs to meet: does it get the coin circulating in a way that does not break the market? If so, it's worth thinking about. if not, it's just not viable. The spice must flow!
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December 29, 2013, 03:49:03 PM |
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user1922,
We are having a discussion here, I apologize for any feeling of being brushed off as a freeloader. The forum has been "ddosed" by a guy named yuriygeorge and I think people are responding to you as if you are his clone.
Anyway, extensibility!
OK, so we know BTC can do payments, like paypal, just slower but without worry about transactions being reversed. Some like this others don't. Regardless if you want to change anything about bitcoin, well it is easier to just make it a new coin and that is exactly what has happened, litecoin, namecoin, 100+ others.
None of these coins can coexist with each other at the protocol level. Meaning they need different server daemons, different wallets, etc. Let's ignore the wasteful mining aspect, that is not what you asked. So I hope that explains how BTC is not extensible. Changing BTC creates a new altcoin. Now the more technical of you will probably point out that it is possible to update bitcoind globally and get new features added to bitcoin. To them I say, show me how you can get all the miners to agree to this short of a catastrophic bug.
Clear enough on BTC's shortcomings in this area?
Now for NXT, when it first was released, it had the payment ability. Faster than bitcoin so better, but essentially the same functionality.
In less than a month namecoin functionality was added. This immediately boosted market prices for NXT to around namecoin market cap. This is not simply because namecoin functionality is so good, it is because it showed the ability of NXT to do an update and gain a new functionality. Let's see any other altcoin or bitcoin do that.
the other thing it did was make clear that if there is a service, people will use it and spend NXT like drunken sailors. All the transaction fees then get distributed randomly to the lucky lottery winner of that block (approx minute). While the big NXT holders tend to win most lotteries, even very small holders eventually get some and this redistributes NXT, it also makes it a built in dividend reinvestment program, and makes NXT the only crypto that has a positive yield.
James
Apology accepted Ok, i understand what you say about the extensibility. But that forking of the code into altcoins is what will probably happen to NXT as well as soon as it's source is published. The only way to keep this from happening is implementing features faster and better than anyone else could. But that will only occur if there are (lots of) experienced programmers working on the same codebase. But I am not worried about that. I agree that the alias system was implemented well and worked without (too much) bugs. So I see it's value there as well. I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT.
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December 29, 2013, 03:52:17 PM |
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user1922,
We are having a discussion here, I apologize for any feeling of being brushed off as a freeloader. The forum has been "ddosed" by a guy named yuriygeorge and I think people are responding to you as if you are his clone.
Anyway, extensibility!
OK, so we know BTC can do payments, like paypal, just slower but without worry about transactions being reversed. Some like this others don't. Regardless if you want to change anything about bitcoin, well it is easier to just make it a new coin and that is exactly what has happened, litecoin, namecoin, 100+ others.
None of these coins can coexist with each other at the protocol level. Meaning they need different server daemons, different wallets, etc. Let's ignore the wasteful mining aspect, that is not what you asked. So I hope that explains how BTC is not extensible. Changing BTC creates a new altcoin. Now the more technical of you will probably point out that it is possible to update bitcoind globally and get new features added to bitcoin. To them I say, show me how you can get all the miners to agree to this short of a catastrophic bug.
Clear enough on BTC's shortcomings in this area?
Now for NXT, when it first was released, it had the payment ability. Faster than bitcoin so better, but essentially the same functionality.
In less than a month namecoin functionality was added. This immediately boosted market prices for NXT to around namecoin market cap. This is not simply because namecoin functionality is so good, it is because it showed the ability of NXT to do an update and gain a new functionality. Let's see any other altcoin or bitcoin do that.
the other thing it did was make clear that if there is a service, people will use it and spend NXT like drunken sailors. All the transaction fees then get distributed randomly to the lucky lottery winner of that block (approx minute). While the big NXT holders tend to win most lotteries, even very small holders eventually get some and this redistributes NXT, it also makes it a built in dividend reinvestment program, and makes NXT the only crypto that has a positive yield.
James
Apology accepted Ok, i understand what you say about the extensibility. But that forking of the code into altcoins is what will probably happen to NXT as well as soon as it's source is published. The only way to keep this from happening is implementing features faster and better than anyone else could. But that will only occur if there are (lots of) experienced programmers working on the same codebase. But I am not worried about that. I agree that the alias system was implemented well and worked without (too much) bugs. So I see it's value there as well. I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT. holy words I could not have written a better
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December 29, 2013, 03:52:56 PM |
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I just made a statistic of this hot thread the number of total ids appeared in this thread is 488, the number of new ids appeared in recent 3 days is 93, CFB is the top1 id who posted 2005 posts! the following are top100 ids: rank npost ID 1 2005 Come-from-Beyond 2 460 laowai80 3 324 klee 4 304 smaragda 5 211 opticalcarrier 6 206 abctc 7 183 xibeijan 8 178 mcjavar 9 177 utopianfuture 10 176 nexern 11 163 starik69 12 163 Pablito89 13 156 gbeirn 14 150 pinarello 15 133 landomata 16 123 ImmortAlex 17 122 2Kool4Skewl 18 121 ZeroTheGreat 19 113 brooklynbtc 20 109 bizz 21 107 bitcoinrocks 22 99 inkadnb 23 98 S3MKi 24 94 davethetrousers 25 92 allwelder 26 88 ferment 27 86 salsacz 28 85 wesleyh 29 83 Anon136 30 81 jl777 31 75 NxtChoice 32 72 Damelon 33 71 EmoneyRu 34 70 rickyjames 35 69 OKNXT 36 67 timmyd 37 66 bybitcoin 38 65 CIYAM 39 63 GCInc. 40 62 Sharky444 41 61 Ola 42 61 msin 43 61 kwest 44 56 TwinWinNerD 45 56 BitcoinForumator 46 53 davidoski 47 52 Pouncer 48 50 Jean-Luc 49 47 wakasaki808 50 46 pandaisftw 51 44 Kontakt 52 44 crazybonkers 53 43 bahamapascal 54 42 nov 55 40 yuriygeorge 56 40 snowboard789 57 39 smartwart 58 39 MyZhre 59 39 idev 60 39 Drexme 61 37 Bitventurer 62 36 LightningFury 63 36 BitThink 64 35 mr_random 65 34 superresistant 66 34 Noitev 67 34 Chang 68 33 zhangdu 69 33 Kodoka 70 31 bitdraw 71 30 JohnyCrypt 72 29 lophie 73 29 instacash 74 29 buybitcoinscanada 75 27 Vega 76 27 EvilDave 77 27 abuelau 78 26 omo 79 25 BloodyRookie 80 25 bitcoinpaul 81 24 bitme 82 22 nnn 83 22 greyw00lf 84 22 gorgorom 85 22 colinistheman 86 21 twistelaar 87 21 Timetwister 88 21 eid 89 21 dzarmush 90 20 PeercoinEnthusiast 91 20 newcn 92 20 lyynx 93 20 joefox 94 20 2X84 95 19 pmabdsf 96 19 bidji29 97 18 Meizirkki 98 18 aldrin 99 17 plasticAiredale 100 17 notsoshifty Thank you for the effort, but I need to make something clear. Visitors of this thread should NOT consider my placement in the top ten equivalent to my posts being more informative, beneficial, etc. I strongly urge everybody to pay attention to post content rather than number of posts. You get BOTH, of course, from Come-from-Beyond! +1 It's still at the very beginning of Nxt!
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December 29, 2013, 03:55:04 PM |
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See i don't know how you are still forging. I have been on nxt 24 hours a day for the past couple weeks, even calling half that time down for crashes and ddos, and thats still a TON of hours. I have almost 285k nxt and my block chain says that I should have forged an estimated 175nxt. In reality, I've forged two blocks and earned 1nxt. I KNOW its new, and crashy, and lots of empty blocks, but I really think the issue is about understanding how the "staying connected" works see http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15436509232181115695Not that I don't believe you... but are you POSITIVE you generated those two blocks with the browser closed? smargda, I agree with you.. I don't know when they were forged, and my point is that I should have forged A LOT MORE, based on time and nxt held.
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December 29, 2013, 04:03:13 PM |
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I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT.
Redistribution, which is not a problem by the way, will occur when people that respect the Right to Ownership buy NXT from the rightful owners. All other forms of NXT redistribution that you might have witnessed thus far should be considered CHARITY. And how about EARNING them? Do you also consider that a form of charity?
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December 29, 2013, 04:03:25 PM |
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user1922,
This forum is not censored, anyone can post repeatedly, even people like yuriygeorge.
Why am I afraid that if you say his username two more times he'll suddenly appear?
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December 29, 2013, 04:03:55 PM |
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I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT.
Redistribution, which is not a problem by the way, will occur when people that respect the Right to Ownership buy NXT from the rightful owners. All other forms of NXT redistribution that you might have witnessed thus far should be considered CHARITY. How many Btc forums are full of people complaining that "you paid nothing", "i want it for free"?
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December 29, 2013, 04:05:15 PM |
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I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT.
Redistribution, which is not a problem by the way, will occur when people that respect the Right to Ownership buy NXT from the rightful owners. All other forms of NXT redistribution that you might have witnessed thus far should be considered CHARITY. And how about EARNING them? Do you also consider that a form of charity? you can earn them. look at the bounty list. do some of those. or go to work, earn dollars and buy coins. do you go to the mall and say "how can I earn those new Nikes?"
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December 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM |
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I am also glad to read that the stakeholders are also still unsure on how to deal with redistribution and are still looking for ways on how to solve this problem. It will be an issue that needs to be solved I think. I read on many different websites getting involved in NXT is not smart as it is a pre-mined currency. I do understand why NXT is NOT pre-mined, but a lot of others will not understand this point. And that will be the reason for people to ignore NXT. To me, this is the biggest hurdle that is facing PoS currencies such as Ripple and NXT.
I think one of the bigger challenges is to get people out of the "mining" mindset. Let's face it, most people at the moment got into coins and mining because of the beginning of December boom. They have little or no interest in new forms of currency. The only currency they are interested is the one on their accounts and also the "game" of free money. This may seem overly cynical, but reading the forums, you know the kind of person I mean. DOGE was succesful for a reason. The good thing would be to engage these people (not the ones already interested) and show them what currencies are and do and could do! My own view on distribution is that there should be a more extensive bounty scheme to get a wider range of capable people involved. I freely admit this has a selfserving side, too, as I have no coding abilities whatsoever, but wouldn't mind earning Nxt by doing other jobs. That's why I am also translating the wiki. It's something I can do to help, and it falls within my abilities.
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December 29, 2013, 04:13:56 PM |
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ok smaragda, I'm getting close to mining a block, or being due to, so I'm going to stare the kettle until it boils and see if I can figure it out, unless all goes to shit..
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in the logo voting thread, a candidate very similar to Namecoin's logo appears to be winning This is QBTC's candidate And namecoin looks like this: Please take a look at all candidates and vote what you think will best represent NXT. The voted logo will begin to be used on all our sites: www, info, wiki, forums, etc.
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December 29, 2013, 04:20:00 PM |
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SOME FUN BITBOT VS BERNANKEIF WANNA TIP: NXT :2325804792485290058 BTC: 1MxUNfDmJKUAJbCZTVRjEfd4EbCvYTv5gR
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I have told you NEM will make you a millionaire and we have made it ...IOST is the new baby Money making machine. keep an eye on this little Monster...
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December 29, 2013, 04:22:46 PM |
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Rasp Pi QUESTIONS
I see the set up link, how about a suggested parts list? for the best suitable set up for nxt
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December 29, 2013, 04:24:17 PM |
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This is true. It can only be "positively" identified as being sold when it is withdrawn from Dgex by the buyer. That's the criteria I was using to say "20% had changed hands in 30 days at Dgex". I was assuming 200M had been WITHDRAWN. Now I find out that 75M has been shuffled into a Dgex storage account. This means only 125M has been withdrawn, or around 12-13%, not 20%. This matters because salsacz has a very bold "30%" claim front and center in her video. That number needs to be researched and corrected a single time now, not explained as an error to critics a million times a month from now.
You don't suppose a new video with new numbers should be made after each 1% is withdrawn or deposited back to the exchange just to respond to the critics, do you? No, I suppose that a video should be as accurate as possible on the one day it is issued for general public consumption. After that obviously it will be OBE (overtaken by events). But if the video overstates the progress made to date about redistribution of NXT into widespread use, it's gonna get labeled as false propaganda instead of a factual introduction. This would be bad and is to be avoided at all costs. Particularly if "all costs" = "prerelease fact-checking".
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December 29, 2013, 04:25:07 PM |
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The issue u r talking about belongs to client side. I don't have opinion on that, sorry. I see... hopefully that kick-ass client that is in the works has that feature then. thnx When I forge, I start java client, login via web browser, then close browser and keep java cmd open. This will allow you to continue forging without having your wallet open in a browser. YOU MADE MY DAY!!! So... how are you sure you are still forging? I mean... how do you check to see that you are still forging? thnx I just check it occasionally (log in), I've been up and running 0.4.7e for a while now with no issues. I also use a short password for an account with no Nxt just to log in real quick and check if the block chain is up to date. As long as you leave your account unlocked when you close the browser, you will continue to forge.
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