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January 09, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
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We don't need BCNext anymore. He kickstarted the snowball with name "Nxt", the rest is our work.

That is my worst fear.

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January 09, 2014, 09:14:56 AM
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What is the time frame for No. 2

Edit: or are things still in the planning phase?.....if yes....how long would it take to implement once plans are finalized?

~6 months, but this is a rough assessment. We don't need to hurry, copycoins can't outpace us anyway, coz not all details of TF were revealed. Asset Exchange, Alias System... none of these features r ground-breaking, only Transparent Forging is a real improvement.
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January 09, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
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When transfer nxt from A to B , after click the send money button,the browser is stuck and the java client collapsed.
What is the matter ? bug?

another suggestion:need to add a copy acc button on the browser client ,this will eliminate the chance of copy wrong acc number manually.
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January 09, 2014, 09:18:32 AM
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I have to limit my reading on this forum, my paranoia is just under "don't trust the doctors."

If you are ready to take the red pill ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill ), read theeconomiccollapseblog.com daily for two weeks.  At the end of that time, add zerohedge.com to your daily reading for the next two weeks.  At the end of the month, go pour yourself a glass of whiskey and sit on your back porch staring at the woods for an hour and ask yourself just what in the hell is going on.
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January 09, 2014, 09:23:35 AM
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Does BCNext even work on this project anymore? Or did he already bought himself an island and retired?

What kind of project leader suddenly goes silent and abandons his creation like this?  Huh

Did you know that BCNext actually constantly posts in this topic? Wink

I get that feeling too. Wink

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January 09, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
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What is the time frame for No. 2

Edit: or are things still in the planning phase?.....if yes....how long would it take to implement once plans are finalized?

~6 months, but this is a rough assessment. We don't need to hurry, copycoins can't outpace us anyway, coz not all details of TF were revealed. Asset Exchange, Alias System... none of these features r ground-breaking, only Transparent Forging is a real improvement.

Could we achieve msg per. day limit of a few million after that time...

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January 09, 2014, 09:31:26 AM
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What is the time frame for No. 2

Edit: or are things still in the planning phase?.....if yes....how long would it take to implement once plans are finalized?

~6 months, but this is a rough assessment. We don't need to hurry, copycoins can't outpace us anyway, coz not all details of TF were revealed. Asset Exchange, Alias System... none of these features r ground-breaking, only Transparent Forging is a real improvement.

Could we achieve msg per. day limit of a few million after that time...

Yes
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January 09, 2014, 09:37:12 AM
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I suggest @info.nxtcrypto link @Luc's BTT post for each client update, so we can do a fast simple comparison with @Luc's post and confirm the sha256sum. If hacker replaced the download file and also replace sha256sum at info.nxtcrypto, it's not so easy to find it, but I think hack those 2 and Luc's account at the same time is more difficult.
See those *.asc files in the http://download.nxtcrypto.org/ directory? Those are GPG signatures of the corresponding zip files. If you download both nxt-client-0.5.3.zip and nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc in the same directory, you can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc" to verify my signature of the zip package. This gives you one independent way of checking, and a hacker cannot provide a signature for a modified zip package without somehow stealing my private GPG key.

The nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc is again a GPG signed file containing the sha256 sum. You can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" to verify its content, then run "sha256sum -c nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" which will say "nxt-client-0.5.3.zip: OK" if the sha256 sum matches (ignore the warning about the extra lines, those are the gpg signature).

Finally, the value of the NRSversion alias on the blockchian contains the sha256 sum of the last stable release.

That gives you quite a few independent ways of verifying the package.

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January 09, 2014, 09:39:30 AM
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What is the time frame for No. 2

Edit: or are things still in the planning phase?.....if yes....how long would it take to implement once plans are finalized?

~6 months, but this is a rough assessment. We don't need to hurry, copycoins can't outpace us anyway, coz not all details of TF were revealed. Asset Exchange, Alias System... none of these features r ground-breaking, only Transparent Forging is a real improvement.

Could we achieve msg per. day limit of a few million after that time...

Yes

Can we implement my msg fee idea....you pay 1 Nxt in messenging fee every 1440 blocks to send messages to one other account....if you want to send to a new account you have to pay a fresh messaging fee.





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January 09, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
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Can we implement my msg fee idea....you pay 1 Nxt in messenging fee every 1440 blocks to send messages to one other account....if you want to send to a new account you have to pay a fresh messaging fee.

We can. U just have to convince the community that it's a useful feature and find someone who will write the code.
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January 09, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
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http://www.links.org/files/decentralised-currencies.pdf

Beyonce posted this a while back... Are there any discussions on bitcointalk about it?
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January 09, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
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I suggest @info.nxtcrypto link @Luc's BTT post for each client update, so we can do a fast simple comparison with @Luc's post and confirm the sha256sum. If hacker replaced the download file and also replace sha256sum at info.nxtcrypto, it's not so easy to find it, but I think hack those 2 and Luc's account at the same time is more difficult.
See those *.asc files in the http://download.nxtcrypto.org/ directory? Those are GPG signatures of the corresponding zip files. If you download both nxt-client-0.5.3.zip and nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc in the same directory, you can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc" to verify my signature of the zip package. This gives you one independent way of checking, and a hacker cannot provide a signature for a modified zip package without somehow stealing my private GPG key.

The nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc is again a GPG signed file containing the sha256 sum. You can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" to verify its content, then run "sha256sum -c nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" which will say "nxt-client-0.5.3.zip: OK" if the sha256 sum matches (ignore the warning about the extra lines, those are the gpg signature).

Finally, the value of the NRSversion alias on the blockchian contains the sha256 sum of the last stable release.

That gives you quite a few independent ways of verifying the package.


Add to this getting your public key based on "GPG key fingerprint" and it will be nice guide.

And yes, we definitely need nxt-client-latest to automate all this steps

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January 09, 2014, 10:06:28 AM
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Brainstorming

I'd like to introduce a concept of a new feature called Account Control. This feature will allow to do different things with ur accounts. For example, u will be able to set a lock on an account to prohibit any outgoing transactions until a special condition met (e.g. an incoming transaction from a predefined account). Another example is Pooled Forging, when an account leases its forging power to another account.

Please, post here what u would like to see in Account Control.

(Not sure if this already part of pooled forging already).
Pooled forging with agreed pro-rata payment to be made at the end of the lease.

Example:
 - I lease 100,000nxt to Bob at an agreed rate of 0.0005 "nxt per day per nxt" (agreement to be reached using nxt network protocol).
 - Whilst leased, the funds aren't available for me to spend or forge with
 - After 3 days I decide I want to buy a car, so I revoke the lease
 - As part of the nxt being returned to my account, I also automatically receive 150 (==0.0005*100000*3) nxt from Bob's account
 - Network ensures that funds to pay all leases is available in the target account (or a separate nominated/linked account), and automatically cancels leases if this situation should arise

So the pool operator takes on all forging risk, and the network ensures users are paid what they're due (so safe for them).

Follow up to this:
 - Auctioning of my forging lease to the highest bidder; one-off, or similar to Amazon's "spot price" where if someone bids higher whilst my forging power is leased to one party the lease automatically gets transferred to the new highest bidder

So, to create a competitive marketplace for forging power.

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January 09, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
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Does transparent forging work through firewalls?

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January 09, 2014, 10:30:40 AM
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I suggest @info.nxtcrypto link @Luc's BTT post for each client update, so we can do a fast simple comparison with @Luc's post and confirm the sha256sum. If hacker replaced the download file and also replace sha256sum at info.nxtcrypto, it's not so easy to find it, but I think hack those 2 and Luc's account at the same time is more difficult.
See those *.asc files in the http://download.nxtcrypto.org/ directory? Those are GPG signatures of the corresponding zip files. If you download both nxt-client-0.5.3.zip and nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc in the same directory, you can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc" to verify my signature of the zip package. This gives you one independent way of checking, and a hacker cannot provide a signature for a modified zip package without somehow stealing my private GPG key.

The nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc is again a GPG signed file containing the sha256 sum. You can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" to verify its content, then run "sha256sum -c nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" which will say "nxt-client-0.5.3.zip: OK" if the sha256 sum matches (ignore the warning about the extra lines, those are the gpg signature).

Finally, the value of the NRSversion alias on the blockchian contains the sha256 sum of the last stable release.

That gives you quite a few independent ways of verifying the package.


Add to this getting your public key based on "GPG key fingerprint" and it will be nice guide.

And yes, we definitely need nxt-client-latest to automate all this steps
$ gpg --recv-keys FF2A19FA
$ gpg --fingerprint FF2A19FA

Then compare with fingerprint in my profile info.

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January 09, 2014, 10:30:49 AM
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I think BCNext has more important things to do instead of answering hunders of same (or new) stupid (or smart) questions.

I believe that BCNext is actually here doing all that and I am truly afraid that we might be getting close to the day that he STOPS!!!   Undecided

We don't need BCNext anymore. He kickstarted the snowball with name "Nxt", the rest is our work.

We know you two are one in the same. Smiley

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January 09, 2014, 10:33:28 AM
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The mission of the NXT MOBILE APPLICATIONS COMPANY is to facilitate the MAINSTREAM ADOPTION OF THE NXT ECOSYSTEM.



Pls visit the below forums and let us know how you can help.


https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2634.0.html   or

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=467

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January 09, 2014, 11:00:36 AM
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We know you two are one in the same. Smiley

Hehe, I know that u just guess this. Smiley
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January 09, 2014, 11:05:31 AM
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Tried to send some coins and my client crashed. A few minutes before it i did it successfully.
Here is a log from my client v.0.5.3:

2014-01-09 14:18:43.201:WARN:oejs.ServletHandler:qtp1552615194-299: /nxt
java.lang.IllegalStateException: WRITER
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Response.getOutputStream(Response.java:931)
        at Nxt.doGet(Unknown Source)
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:687)
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:790)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle(ServletHolder.java:696)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$CachedChain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1568)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilterChain(DoSFilter.java:457)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:326)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:299)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$CachedChain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1539)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doHandle(ServletHandler.java:524)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:143)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.security.SecurityHandler.handle(SecurityHandler.java:568)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doHandle(SessionHandler.java:221)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doHandle(ContextHandler.java:1110)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doScope(ServletHandler.java:453)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doScope(SessionHandler.java:183)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:1044)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:141)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandlerCollection.handle(ContextHandlerCollection.java:199)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerCollection.handle(HandlerCollection.java:109)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:97)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Server.handle(Server.java:459)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.handle(HttpChannel.java:280)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.onFillable(HttpConnection.java:229)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.io.AbstractConnection$1.run(AbstractConnection.java:505)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool.runJob(QueuedThreadPool.java:607)
        at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$3.run(QueuedThreadPool.java:536)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


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January 09, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
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I suggest @info.nxtcrypto link @Luc's BTT post for each client update, so we can do a fast simple comparison with @Luc's post and confirm the sha256sum. If hacker replaced the download file and also replace sha256sum at info.nxtcrypto, it's not so easy to find it, but I think hack those 2 and Luc's account at the same time is more difficult.
See those *.asc files in the http://download.nxtcrypto.org/ directory? Those are GPG signatures of the corresponding zip files. If you download both nxt-client-0.5.3.zip and nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc in the same directory, you can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.asc" to verify my signature of the zip package. This gives you one independent way of checking, and a hacker cannot provide a signature for a modified zip package without somehow stealing my private GPG key.

The nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc is again a GPG signed file containing the sha256 sum. You can run "gpg --verify nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" to verify its content, then run "sha256sum -c nxt-client-0.5.3.zip.sha256.txt.asc" which will say "nxt-client-0.5.3.zip: OK" if the sha256 sum matches (ignore the warning about the extra lines, those are the gpg signature).

Finally, the value of the NRSversion alias on the blockchian contains the sha256 sum of the last stable release.

That gives you quite a few independent ways of verifying the package.


Thank you Luc for your explanation.
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